Yes and I like both games and will keep playing Diablo 3 just like I will play Torchlight 2 but both have there plus and minuses.
Great Kotaku Troll Article though.
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Kotaku: Diablo III vs. Torchlight II
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Great Kotaku Troll Article though.
The Mana Legend
Banned
The hours I played of the TLII Beta were so incredibly polished and nearly perfect.
Diablo 3 was garbage, and I was super hyped for it initially.
Noo, you have to choose one and stop playing the other. Stop being a weirdo.
No. I didn't.
I'll play it in a couple of days and come on here and laugh at the people desperately claiming that this is superior because they hate Blizzard.
The Mana Legend
Banned
But I've played both, and Torchlight 2 IS superior to Diablo 3.
Wouldn't you think that I am more qualified to say this than you?
I have played them both and it's not, So what makes you more qualified than anyone else?
The Mana Legend
Banned
Because factually, Torchlight 2 is a better game. This is written in stone.
lol I should just take your posts from the source, it explains everything.
Either way It's great to have both games out.
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
Eh... my wife subscribes to Entertainment Weekly. It's about like that.
but they aren't both out... if they were I would be playing TL2 not reading about D3 vs TL2
it will be great to have both of them in 2 days though.... stupid borderlands getting a midnight release on steam but I have to wait until noon for torchlight 2 :/
Missed the most important comparison of all:
Diablo 3: Persistant, closed online system.
Torchlight 2: Open online system. Lack of legitimate economy.
The loot (or at least loot trading) aspect is a lot less exciting when people can just hack items into their game.
Diablo 2 wouldn't have been half as fun without Battle.net.
Diablo 3: Persistant, closed online system.
Torchlight 2: Open online system. Lack of legitimate economy.
The loot (or at least loot trading) aspect is a lot less exciting when people can just hack items into their game.
Diablo 2 wouldn't have been half as fun without Battle.net.
Holy fuck, could this "article" fellate Torchlight II anymore?
I enjoyed Diablo III and I'll enjoy Torchlight II on Thursday, but why does the internet narrative always have to be "Diablo III BAD BAD BAD Torchlight II GOOD GOOD GOOD".
I don't buy it. Diablo III might be the most unfairly maligned game in history.
I enjoyed Diablo III and I'll enjoy Torchlight II on Thursday, but why does the internet narrative always have to be "Diablo III BAD BAD BAD Torchlight II GOOD GOOD GOOD".
I don't buy it. Diablo III might be the most unfairly maligned game in history.
No. A lot of people just hate D3 because it's made by Blizzard.
People will praise this because it doesn't have DRM (doesn't affect me) or RMAH (which I personally don't mind, and it also doesn't exist on hc, nor are you forced to use it on sc). Regardless of the quality of the rest of the game.
Wait, what? This is actually how it works? So it's basically like playing D2 on Open? Well, I saved 20 bucks.
thetrin
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I liked the modding a lot in TL1, but I have to agree. It's not so coveted and exciting when you can just mod the loot table.
I am excited to see what mods come out, though. They did say that you can make new classes with the mod tools.
Well aren't you just a little goofball.
If you don't want modded loot in your Torchlight 2, don't put modded loot in your Torchlight 2. If you're upset by other people having modded loot - please, seek help. You're ill.
ihearthawthats
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is it really completely open? like you can bring and use your mods online? you would think there would be a seperate server for mods and stuffs?
also in regards to op, why is potion spamming a good thing?
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
If you painted with a bigger brush, you'd end up choking on paint.
There are no closed servers. Runic doesn't have the resources for that.
Might as well play D2 on open battle.net.
That's a design choice that kills trading and any reason for having an economy. Which is a significant portion of a loot game.
Because they're just using subjective things to try and say TL2 is better.
They're also implying that TL2 won't have any cookie cutter builds, which is bullshit. Sorry, these types of games will always have an optimal build, it's inevitable.
Fishing? Don't care.
Pets? Completely subjective. If pets are better than everyone would play a hunter in WoW, or a druid in D2.
But it's Kotaku.
Either way, this game is structured like D2 Open Battle.net, there's a reason no one played on that...
It's funny how most of the Blizzard hate apparead after D3...I wonder why.
Seriously though, for me TL2 is going to be easily the superior game even with open online system. D3 just wasn't fun at all for me and RMAH pretty much ruined what could've been done to at least make the game better.
Strange that Grinding Gear Games can manage, and they're a small upstart.
Is that some sort of excuse? As a consumer that's not my problem.
I consider it a positive... one of my least favorite things about D3 is the potion timer... especially since even as a non tank class (DH) I have 3 times as much HP as the biggest potion will heal... Especially with how life on hit works with a lot of my moves... reflect damage just owns me because even with 25% damage converted to life I lose life faster than I gain it with a number of my skills :/
The only skill as a DH that I have played with that gives me HP back faster than I lose it against reflect is the broken cinders that is getting patched out lol. If I didn't have such a long wait between potions the reflect damage wouldn't be such a pain (attack until my life gets low... run around waiting to be able to use a potion again because if I attack again I will die) and I would have more fun farming (it wouldn't be as much of an issue if 75% of elites I ran into weren't reflect @_@)
I disagree that it's a significant portion of a loot game. I'd say it's a significant portion of an MMO or any game with an auction house.
Really, supporting the locking down of a game so that the shit you pick up in a game has any sort of worth beyond how useful it is to you in combat is so goofy to me. Blizzard locked down their shit in Diablo 3 so they could profit off of trades, not to make the game any better.
Nemesis121
Member
T2 is preloaded on steam, already own this game since July...
They're two companies going with different business models. Grinding Gear are hoping to cover costs with a cosmetic items cashshop , torchlight 2 is going to be an up front cost. That's just how I see it, I could be wrong and runic just don't want to pay up and deal with the maintenance of servers.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I had a lot of fun trading in Diablo 1, hacked and all. That's why they did the closed servers in Diablo 2, although it didn't work too well.
I can understand that some people don't like Diablo 3, but I'll never understand the people who proclaim it to be terrible after dropping dozens or hundreds of hours into it.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
They're also being funded by the F2P infrastructure, which necessitates closed servers.
I'm sure you think the same when people have legitimate complaints about Diablo III instead of discounting their opinion because they're Blizzard haters. Go get those hypocrites, just don't look in the mirror!
Trading and such was half the fun in D2. It's the reason the game lasted so long, the reason ladder resets were actually significant.
D2's system was superior to D3's, I'll admit that. But TL2's system (or lack thereof) is abysmal.
Definity
Member
Yeah, what boggles my mind is you have folks that invest hundreds of hours into the game and then decide it's garbage, lol?!? I still fire up diablo every other day and enjoy the hell out of the combat/classes.
Not sure if I will pick up torchlight 2 right at release but may come back to it at some point.
I put 80 hours into Diablo III over the course of 3-4 weeks and then decided I was done with it. I really have no interest to go back, I got a decent gaming experience and I feel satisfied with my $60. In my 26 years of gaming there aren't many games I have put that many hours into. I honestly have no idea what people really expected out of it. I'm excited for Torchlight II because I love the genre, but I doubt I'll put anywhere near that much time into T2.
Tons of Blizzard hate started to crop up after StarCraft II (some of which I agree and disagree with), but not anywhere near the scale of post-Diablo III. I think StarCraft II is still considered a "good" to "great" game in the general gaming conscious.
The only thing that intrigues me from the article is the difficulty discussion. Comparing Torchlight Normal to Diablo III Normal feels a bit like missing the point but I'm curious if there's some real difficulty in the game.
Actually, curious on the availability of respecs. Complain about the Diablo 3 system but, really, it's nice to have the flexibility of trying everything available to you without needing a new character. Just wish that more abilities were truly viable, though I imagine Torchlight 2 will be the same (because it's always the same, there's always optimal).
Shining Sunshine
Banned
I hate D3 but that's the dumbest comparison ever.
sazzy
Member
GoofsterStud
Member
Summing it up:
What a Biased Review, T2 isn't even out yet... (BETA IS)
Diablo 3 is awesome...people still play it. (Chart showing it's not awesome)
Diablo 3 sucked! (Overboard)
T2 will be awesome! (compared against other $20 games, I have no doubt)
What a Biased Review, T2 isn't even out yet... (BETA IS)
Diablo 3 is awesome...people still play it. (Chart showing it's not awesome)
Diablo 3 sucked! (Overboard)
T2 will be awesome! (compared against other $20 games, I have no doubt)
Some expect the game to get better at later levels and with nightmare which requires a lot of time get to and then you realize it's not really any better and the itemisation still sucks ass and you either use a lot of time or RMAH.
you cant say we judge without playing i guess...
That's true. I'd much rather just have everyone edit game files and give themselves ridiculous stats.
And it takes like 10 hours to get to nightmare.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
You're overqualified.
Well you can't have an error 37 when the company is too cheap to even host servers.