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Kotaku: Game retail horror stories

Northeastmonk

Gold Member
The perception of PEGI ratings and ratings on games in general in the UK is still really blase. I've worked in retail in the past (both for Virgin and Game) and the amount of times parents don't even realise there's a rating on the DVD/Game box was amazing. They'll hear 'Blood, Sex & Violence' and just think it's the kind of stuff you'd see in your typical action movie, when we most of us know video games often can and sometimes do take it way beyond that.

However, growing up I grew up with Nintendo consoles so was never really subjected to 18+ / Mature games issue. Yet, my friends has Playstations and my cousin had a Megadrive with Mortal Kombat so I still played them 'underage'. Like other people have said it's a different time compared to what it was 15-20 years ago. I still remember morning news kicking off about GTA, and MK having it's blood turned green. I can't say I ever feel the NEED to have an 18+ game when I was a pre-teen/early teen, although I probably had a ton of 18+ movies by the time I was 14.

A good majority of parents don't feel like they're buying their kids porn. They think its radical animated characters in your every day action packed "video game". I remember a large amount of kids having Halo 2 when it was out. If you're a cool parent your kids get Halo or Call of Duty. It's easier than rewarding him with other things. Plus the games that hit a milestone in the market now are M rated or Pegi 18+. You can't force a young person to play FIFA over Advanced Warfare. The kid would be a mess, just look at that kid who was crying over GTAV. No one is going to ruin that kid's passion to own that game.

If she was pregnant she has a legal right to use the toilets, hell you can legally use a policemans hat to piss in.

I have to agree. I would never deny a pregnant woman a bathroom. It's too dangerous. I also don't think she would have wanted to go in her car either. How many GameStops sit along by themselves anymore? Most of the video game stores I see are in some sort of shopping cove.
 

Chris1

Member
That guy in the GTA story is a dick. Sorry but he shouldn't have kept pressing after he made the parents aware of the age requirement, it's almost as if he was refusing to sell the game just didn't want to say as much.

When I have kids and they are 13-14 years old I'll buy them GTA and whatever other games they want. At 13-14 they already know that stuff anyways, or at least I did and kids are growing up even faster today than they ever were.
 
That guy in the GTA story is a dick. Sorry but he shouldn't have kept pressing after he made the parents aware of the age requirement, it's almost as if he was refusing to sell the game just didn't want to say as much.

When I have kids and they are 13-14 years old I'll buy them GTA and whatever other games they want. At 13-14 they already know that stuff anyways, or at least I did and kids are growing up even faster today than they ever were.

You have personal knowledge of the content of those games though. The parents in the story don't. Big difference, no?

I have no clue about the content of kids shows. If my (hypothetical) kid loved watching Monster High on Netflix, and whenever I walk by or sit down and watch for awhile it seems fine, but then the clerk at Best Buy informs me that there's a story arc in Season 3 that heavily promotes bestiality as I'm buying the BluRay set, I'd thank them, not wish they'd mind their own business.
 
That guy in the GTA story is a dick. Sorry but he shouldn't have kept pressing after he made the parents aware of the age requirement, it's almost as if he was refusing to sell the game just didn't want to say as much.

When I have kids and they are 13-14 years old I'll buy them GTA and whatever other games they want. At 13-14 they already know that stuff anyways, or at least I did and kids are growing up even faster today than they ever were.

Good to know that you will win the parent of the year award and won't have it in you to tell your kids "No", letting them be the most spoiled little brats ever. Does it matter what you went through growing up? Do you honestly believe that things are exactly the same now as they were then? "Well they'll just learn this stuff anyway from everyone else", does that make everyone else right or does it mean that they too had parents who also didn't give a shit to teach their kids anything?
 
as someone with an ibd I don't feel sorry for the bathroom story.

Well, you can thank the majority of our fellow human beings for not being allowed to use the employee's toilet without a problem. People just can't behave themselves it seems.
I've had to clean shit off WALLS and several times already because I was stupid enough to let someone in there. It's like people become loons the moment they enter a bathroom that's not their own.

It's just like many other situations retail(and probably other "service jobs" as well): Being understanding and nice gets you nothing but a kick in the balls at the end. At best you get a grumpy "thank you", most of the time it just gets you more (gross) work.

So yeah, I can understand them not letting people in there quite well. It sucks but it's necessary.
 
I would have chased after that women who shat in the store, not a chance in hell would I clean someone else's poo from the floor like that. That manager deserves a medal!

The middle story doesn't really sound like a horror story, more the guy actually being competent at his job and going beyond what is required of him to make parents understand what they are getting their kids.

As for the leaving the kids behind, I'm not that surprised, its got a demo booth so some people probably see it as a play area. It gets a lot worse when you are near a casino, parents go in to gamble for hours on end while they leave their kids with whatever set up their is for the kids to play around in.
 

You asked what I think the positives from gta5 could be. I provided you information about scientific studies that there are positives from playing even violent shooters, from a very credible source known as the APA, a leading organization on psychology in the US/NA.

Can't wait to see your explanation of how playing GTA positively effects a child.

Frankly, I should not have even answered your question in the first place. You took a statement out of context and baited me into an argument about something that is not even that relevant to the original point of the post you quoted in the first place.

My position is not about the article. It is not about whether gta5 is the best thing a kid can do for his developmental benefit. It was never even fucking close to that, so stop with this "well the kid could go outside right?" or the splatoon shit. I never once argued that the kid should or must play gta 5 over doing ANYTHING else.

I don't know what your motivation is for trying to take the conversation in the direction you are attempting to. To save face after your blunder about there being no positives for playing gta 5 for a child? I don't care. But I answered your question well enough regardless because for some goddamned reason I thought maybe you'll think twice before you try to post the way you did.

This post:
Can't wait to see your explanation of how playing GTA positively effects a child.
is shameful. And shame on me for actually responding to it.
 

Abdiel

Member
I've seen all manner of messed up, stupid, or just inane customer situations through the years... I think the one situation that really stands out to me in how screwed up it was though, was around the time of the 360 launch.

We had a woman come in with someone else, I believe it was her brother, and we later discovered that the woman had a form of learning disability or something along those lines, but she wasn't really aware of what she was doing... Because she took an Xbox 360 and several games into the bathroom and put everything into her backpack, taking out the important stuff she had in there, as she had been instructed by her companion, who vanished shortly after entering the store. One of our female employees heard the rustling sounds and she and one of the Loss Prevention members (who was also female, heh) entered the bathroom and ended up taking the woman to the office, and the police were called.

The police quickly determined that the woman was being used as a dupe, that she had been instructed by their companion to take those specific items the way she had, even though she was then leaving her actual necessary things on the floor of the bathroom, including some of her personal 'in case of emergency' follow up information! No charges were pressed against her, but I believe they tried to investigate who exactly it was that was trying to take advantage of her...limitations.

It was really upsetting to a lot of the staff, to see someone manipulated that way, who was so distraught and confused about the situation she was in.
 
You asked what I think the positives from gta5 could be. I provided you information about scientific studies that there are positives from playing even violent shooters, from a very credible source known as the APA, a leading organization on psychology in the US/NA.


How about you keep reading what he and I said, rather than just pick and choose part of the argument that fits your needs? Because in the end those studies are not the end all be all (hell they even make that known themselves) that you seem to be making them out to be, they are very selective about who they test and for how long they are tested for. Do you really think that everyone is exactly the same as the people they are testing?
 

DryvBy

Member
After working retail for so long and now garbage call center jobs, there's a reason I don't usually care about customers anyone. For every legit issue, there's 4 days worth of whiny, irrational issues. One good thing is that after so long of mentally beating yourself to deal with the disgusting public, it motivates you to get certified in something or finish college.
 

Almighty

Member
Honestly if we should agree that GTAV might not be appropriate for all 14 year olds then I think the same need to be done for those of us who think a 14 year old could be old enough for that game. It seems this thread is filled with people who think that no parent worth their salt would let their 13-14 year old play GTAV and if they did they they must not be a very good parent or don't have kids/are very young and therefore their opinions don't matter because they will change when they have kids. I find the latter to be very condescending, but seems to be pretty standard in discussions about kids.
 
Well, you can thank the majority of our fellow human beings for not being allowed to use the employee's toilet without a problem. People just can't behave themselves it seems.
I've had to clean shit off WALLS and several times already because I was stupid enough to let someone in there. It's like people become loons the moment they enter a bathroom that's not their own.

It's just like many other situations retail(and probably other "service jobs" as well): Being understanding and nice gets you nothing but a kick in the balls at the end. At best you get a grumpy "thank you", most of the time it just gets you more (gross) work.

So yeah, I can understand them not letting people in there quite well. It sucks but it's necessary.

Feel for you man, I've seen my share of scenarios that necessitated shit being cleaned off of something working retail, but thankfully I've never actually had to do the cleaning.

I worked at one major retail chain when I was fresh out of high school, worked part time while going to community college. Didn't need the job, it was just for spending money/ cell phone bill/ gas since I was living with my parents.

One day some woman shit all over the women's restroom, I guess she had diarrhea and couldn't hold it. It was all over the floor, and when she finally made it into a stall she basically covered the toilet itself and the walls in shit.

My manager called me over, he and the store manager were chuckling as I walked over. My manager gave me a "Boy have a got a job for you!" and showed me what happened. Then he told me to get the pressure washer from the back and clean it up.

I said I wasn't going to do it and he stopped laughing immediately and said something along the lines of "Well, I'm your manager and I'm telling you that will as part of your duties." I just flat out told him "I'll bring the washer over from the back if you want, but I'm not cleaning that. You do what you need to do, but I'm not touching it."

The store manager laughed again and was like "Well, someone's cleaning it up, now" and took off. I took off too, and my manager ended up convincing someone who worked in a department to do it. My job was to clean the bathrooms, collect carts from the parking lot, and help people load heavy stuff into their cars. Sometimes when no one in my position was scheduled they'd have department people do those things. I'll never forget the face of this guy when I walked passed as he was finishing up and he asked "Hey, are you clocked in right now? Why aren't you doing this?" and I replied "I didn't want to."
 
You asked what I think the positives from gta5 could be. I provided you information about scientific studies that there are positives from playing even violent shooters, from a very credible source known as the APA, a leading organization on psychology in the US/NA.



Frankly, I should not have even answered your question in the first place. You took a statement out of context and baited me into an argument about something that is not even that relevant to the original point of the post you quoted in the first place.

My position is not about the article. It is not about whether gta5 is the best thing a kid can do for his developmental benefit. It was never even fucking close to that, so stop with this "well the kid could go outside right?" or the splatoon shit. I never once argued that the kid should or must play gta 5 over doing ANYTHING else.

I don't know what your motivation is for trying to take the conversation in the direction you are attempting to. To save face after your blunder about there being no positives for playing gta 5 for a child? I don't care. But I answered your question well enough regardless because for some goddamned reason I thought maybe you'll think twice before you try to post the way you did.

This post: is shameful. And shame on me for actually responding to it.


Dude, you didn't even read the article you quoted. It says right in the article that games have demonstrable negative effects on children, and that any positive effects aren't proven due to the methodologies of the studies that have been conducted to date.

I don't know why you're being so dramatic over this.

You said, quote, "If you only show the bad they get the impression that there is literally only bad and nothing remotely positive to be derived from the game."

I thought that was a ridiculous statement in a discussion about GTA, since I personally don't see any positive benefit to a child playing GTA (not saying there's necessarily any dramatic negative impacts or that I wouldn't let my kid play GTA, but I definitely wouldn't consider in enriching). I challenged you to back up your claim.

You replied with a misleading quote of an article you clearly haven't read.

Sorry I brought shame upon us both for asking you to clarify a post you made =P

Edit: and sorry NeoGAF for the double post. Clearly a blunder-full day for ClayKavalier.
 
How about you keep reading what he and I said, rather than just pick and choose part of the argument that fits your needs? Because in the end those studies are not the end all be all (hell they even make that known themselves) that you seem to be making them out to be, they are very selective about who they test and for how long they are tested for. Do you really think that everyone is exactly the same as the people they are testing?

Do you even know what my argument is? Hint: it has nothing to do with the article I posted.

So whether you are right or wrong about the article is utterly irrelevant to my position, nay, to the larger debate on whether the employee should have showed the video or not.

And what is with you and this "not everyone is the same thing". I never stated they were. Neither did the article as far as I recall. Neither did the study. Why do you keep bringing this up? Of course not everyone is the same. Science studies are merely building blocks to understanding a larger picture.

Of course the study isn't definitive. I never suggested otherwise. He asked for an explanation, certainly in a rather rude way, as for the positives of playing gta5. The studies strongly suggest there are more than a few positives even when playing a violent video game. Whether you agree with them or not, I leave that up to you to decide. In fact, I'd rather not at this point because it is not really that relevant to the original intent when I made the statement.

Anyway, I hope I addressed your post fully because you did bother to post it basically twice.

Dude, you didn't even read the article you quoted. It says right in the article that games have demonstrable negative effects on children, and that any positive effects aren't proven due to the methodologies of the studies that have been conducted to date.

I don't know why you're being so dramatic over this.

You said, quote, "If you only show the bad they get the impression that there is literally only bad and nothing remotely positive to be derived from the game."

I thought that was a ridiculous statement in a discussion about GTA, since I personally don't see any positive benefit to a child playing GTA (not saying there's necessarily any dramatic negative impacts or that I wouldn't let my kid play GTA, but I definitely wouldn't consider in enriching). I challenged you to back up your claim.

You replied with a misleading quote of an article you clearly haven't read.

Sorry I brought shame upon us both for asking you to clarify a post you made =P

Edit: and sorry NeoGAF for the double post. Clearly a blunder-full day for ClayKavalier.

I read the article. Of course I read the article. It is about a minute long. Please don't make this silly accusation again. You are only assuming I didn't read the article because of a line where it says there is the potential for negatives affects, right? Of course there is the potential for negative affects. This is likely true for everything in excess, even drinking too much water which is an essential nutrient is a very real negative to a person's health. You only asked about whether any positives exist. This article strongly suggest there are, backed by scientific studies. Whether there are negatives or whether the negatives outweigh the positives - was not relevant and is not relevant.

My quote was not misleading. It was demonstrative of what the article was purported to say is truth in relation to the question being asked. You did not ask whether the positives outweigh the negatives or any such qualitative assessment. You asked whether there are any positives at all. And in my earlier posts in this line of conversation I did say that the parent make an informed decision by weighing the positives and the negatives to letting their child play the game.
 
Horror stories seems a bit strong, they all seems fairly typical. Working in retail destroys any faith or compassion you have for humanity.

Kudos to the guy who took the effort to show those parents what GTA is like. I get fed up spending most of my shifts blatantly having to sell 18 rated games to kids who are clearly under the age of 10 purely because they have a parent with them, meaning I have to turn a blind eye and "pretend" that I'm selling it to them instead of the little brat (who I know the bag is going to be handed immediately to). I used to take the time to explain the content to said parents when I first started in the job, a handful of parents were thankful but the vast majority always just respond with "well his friends play it" and didn't care. After a while you stop bothering.
 
Do you even know what my argument is? Hint: it has nothing to do with the article I posted.

So why post it? Maybe be more clear about your argument instead of posting links that have nothing to do with your thoughts? That seems like a bad way to make a point.

The studies strongly suggest there are more than a few positives even when playing a violent video game.

No, they don't. The authors admit they don't.

I read the article. Of course I read the article. It is about a minute long. Please don't make this silly accusation again. You are only assuming I didn't read the article because of a line where it says there is the potential for negatives affects, right? Of course there is the potential for negative affects. This is likely true for everything in excess, even drinking too much water which is an essential nutrient is a very real negative to a person's health. You only asked about whether any positives exist. This article strongly suggest there are, backed by scientific studies. Whether there are negatives or whether the negatives outweigh the positives - was not relevant and is not relevant.

My quote was not misleading. It was demonstrative of what the article was purported to say is truth in relation to the question being asked. You did not ask whether the positives outweigh the negatives or any such qualitative assessment. You asked whether there are any positives at all. And in my earlier posts in this line of conversation I did say that the parent make an informed decision by weighing the positives and the negatives to letting their child play the game.

You're hysterical. You realize the link you posted was just quoting an academic article, right? The first line is "Playing video games, including violent shooter games, may boost children's learning, health and social skills, according to a review of research in American Psychologist." That isn't the actual article that was published in the APA.

This is.
 

Kenai

Member
As someone who has worked retail on and off for many years those stories don't surprise me even a little bit. People in general are nice/harmless but there are a lot of dummies mixed in. I feel kinda bad for that kid but I give a thumbs up to that employee for empowering those parents to make an informed decision. Would say the same if they still bought it, cause at least they knew. It's a lot of extra effort to do over and over and there's basically no reward to the employees for doing it.

I would have got security/the cops on that shitting lady though. Woulda chased her out to her car and got a license # at the very least. Fuck people who do stuff like that,
 

MaulerX

Member
As someone who has worked retail on and off for many years those stories don't surprise me even a little bit. People in general are nice/harmless but there are a lot of dummies mixed in. I feel kinda bad for that kid but I give a thumbs up to that employee for empowering those parents to make an informed decision. Would say the same if they still bought it, cause at least they knew. It's a lot of extra effort to do over and over and there's basically no reward to the employees for doing it.

I would have got security/the cops on that shitting lady though. Woulda chased her out to her car and got a license # at the very least. Fuck people who do stuff like that,


Agreed. He was probably a new employee and wanted to build brownie points with his boss. In the grand scheme of things that kid probably got his hands on the game anyway and the employee probably stopped caring after he realized he wasn't getting jack for going above and beyond.
 

Chris1

Member
Good to know that you will win the parent of the year award and won't have it in you to tell your kids "No", letting them be the most spoiled little brats ever. Does it matter what you went through growing up? Do you honestly believe that things are exactly the same now as they were then? "Well they'll just learn this stuff anyway from everyone else", does that make everyone else right or does it mean that they too had parents who also didn't give a shit to teach their kids anything?

I'll tell them no if the age is appropriate, but at 13-14 you already know all that stuff anyways. I know I knew much worse, did much worse and saw much worse in movies and what not than what you'll see or do in GTA. Even if they were younger, I'd probably still buy them GTA but watch over them when they are playing and only let them do freeroam or whatever.

At 13-14 kids my age, hell even I to some extent were already performing sex acts themselves let alone seeing it in a game, there is nothing that you see in GTA that you don't already know at by the age of 13-14, so there is no need to treat your kid like he's an idiot. You're 2-3 years off legally being an adult (in the UK, anyways), if you don't think your kids are old enough to play GTA without learning something new or being disgusted by it then I'm not sure what to say. A lot of the things you see in GTA you've already learned about at school at that age. You've seen nudity. You've learned about sex. You've learned about drugs. You've had police come into school teaching you the right and wrongs and why it's bad to commit a crime. There is nothing that I can think of in GTA that you shouldn't have already learned even at school by the age of 13-14.

Do I think that things are exactly the same as they were when I was 13-14? GTA's are worse yeah, but not that much worse to the point where I'd refuse my 13-14 year old to play it. Don't get me wrong, I do think the staff should inform the parents that the game they are buying is for 18s and may not be suitable for him, but if they still want to buy it then I think the staff member should just drop it there, not whip out his phone and go out of his way to try and make them not buy it for the kid.
 
So why post it? Maybe be more clear about your argument instead of posting links that have nothing to do with your thoughts? That seems like a bad way to make a point.

Why post the article? I was showing you the potential positives for playing the video game in response to your "question", which was more like an accusation. But you already knew this. Why do you persist in asking questions you know the answer to?

No, they don't. The authors admit they don't.

Should I suggest you did not read the article because this following passage suggests there are very real positives. "Playing video games, including violent shooter games, may boost children's learning, health and social skills, according to a review of research in American Psychologist."

You're hysterical. You realize the link you posted was just quoting an academic article, right? The first line is "Playing video games, including violent shooter games, may boost children's learning, health and social skills, according to a review of research in American Psychologist." That isn't the actual article that was published in the APA.

This is.

Excuse you? Name calling is very immature and it is not very productive. Please relax and continue discourse in a less aggressive manner because I don't wish to continue if you're going to get emotional about this topic that already has many emotional reactions.

Of course the article is not the study itself. I never suggested it was. Nor need it be.

And come on man. The very first line itself "Playing video games, including violent shooter games, may boost children's learning, health and social skills, according to a review of research in American Psychologist.", is very obvious that it is referencing a study. Need I spell out every little detail when I reference something with a link and quote it? Or can I rely on my audience to discern things for themselves? Honestly now. We're getting nowhere.
 
Frankly, I should not have even answered your question in the first place. You took a statement out of context and baited me into an argument about something that is not even that relevant to the original point of the post you quoted in the first place.

Well, wow. That's a decent bit of revisionist history.

So, if I understand correctly, you're saying since a research paper you're not linking to, but a site interpreting that one paper (truly rigorous scientific work), says there are benefits to playing video games, kids should play Grand Theft Auto. Isn't that like saying since reading is beneficial to children, children should read 50 Shades of Grey?


This post: is shameful. And shame on me for actually responding to it.

I'm not saying you are a child, but I feel like I would have argued the same point, said it the same way, and been just as abrasive when I was 14 years old. You also seem to keep responding too, after calling it shameful, so there's the high ground for you, I guess.

If we're letting them play GTA (for their benefit, somehow), may as well let them drink, smoke, operate heavy machinery, and vote too. Or we can create some boundaries so that they know that pretending you're smarter than everyone else doesn't get you a free pass into adulthood, and sometimes you have to wait to do things, because maybe we live in a society.
 
How on earth can I respond to you if you edit your post 10 times?

I'm not saying you are a child, but I feel like I would have argued the same point, said it the same way, and been just as abrasive when I was 14 years old.

But no. You are not worth responding to.
 
Should I suggest you did not read the article because this following passage suggests there are very real positives. "Playing video games, including violent shooter games, may boost children's learning, health and social skills, according to a review of research in American Psychologist."

LOL!!

That quote is not from the actual article. It misrepresents the conclusions of the actual article. You would know this if you had read the article.

Anyway, how are you getting "very real" from "may boost"?

I think it's cute that you refer to a single sentence as a "passage," but that's beside the point.

Of course the article is not the study itself. I never suggested it was.

You did in this very same post! In the part I quoted above, you claim that that "passage" is from the article. It clearly isn't.

Good Lord.
 
I don't understand why this thread has become an argument about benefits of videogames but I'll have my short say in that it obviously is a benefit, videogames that is. The violence is not a benefit and never will be. Why would the violence be any more of a helper to reach a child anything. Games help with many skills, violence is entertainment.

Back on topic...

I love the look on customers faces when they're denied refunds due to lacking their receipt. Especially when I say "you could have bought it from anywhere, you can't even prove you bought it here"

As if we were the only place to sell it, damn.
 
I love the look on customers faces when they're denied refunds due to lacking their receipt. Especially when I say "you could have bought it from anywhere, you can't even prove you bought it here"

As if we were the only place to sell it, damn.

The hardware store I worked gave a lifetime guarantee on some store-brand tools, and every once in awhile someone would come in with some decades-old looking hammer or something they clearly just bought at a yard sale or found in a field and demand that they be given a new one.

I'm not sure why since I hated the job and didn't care about the store's well-being, but I was offended every time I had to process one of those returns.
 

Dryk

Member
Game stores and pet stores seem to be the two big places for dropping off your kids so you can get shit done without the hassle. I feel bad for the employee if both and for animals in pet stores.
When I was a kid I was the one initiating that situation because I hated shopping with my mum
 

Solaire of Astora

Death by black JPN
I worked retail from summer to winter 2010 in Glasgow. That winter was pretty bad, with large portions of the UK being disrupted due to "severe"* weather conditions.

During the height of the bad weather, I was the only employee who actually showed up at my store as I lived within walking distance. Everyone else lived too far away and relied on public transport, which was pretty much non-existent due to the snow.

Anyway, our store offered a delivery service to customers. Unfortunately, our delivery driver couldn't make it to work due to the weather. I called the customers who were expecting deliveries and told them that we'd need to rearrange them. Thankfully, most were understanding, but one customer was irate.

"What do you mean you can't deliver due to the weather? My street is fine"

"I understand that, but in order to get to your street, our driver would have to drive down other, more dangerous roads."

"But... But... But... MY street is fine!"

"And like I said, I understand that and I apologize for the situation, but unless teleportation technology research immediately makes massive advances, there's no way for our driver to get to your street"

She asked to speak to my manager only to be informed that he couldn't make it in to work due to the weather. I gave her my district manager's office number and she hung up, only to call back two minutes later to complain that he wasn't answering his phone. I guess she didn't pay attention to his "out of office due to severe weather" voicemail message.

I ended up calling him on his mobile and asked him to give her a call. He called me back twenty minutes later and told me that she went on a massive rant about how her street was perfectly fine to drive down at the moment.

*after leaving my job, I went traveling in Canada. That was severe weather.
 
LOL!!

That quote is not from the actual article. It misrepresents the conclusions of the actual article. You would know this if you had read the article.

The quote I posted is from the link I posted. I have been very clear where the source of that line was from from the very beginning.

Anyway, how are you getting "very real" from "may boost"?

I think it's cute that you refer to a single sentence as a "passage," but that's beside the point.

Of course it is a passage. Please open a dictionary if you don't believe me. A passage is a short extract. Why are you trying to argue and nitpick over every little thing. Is it because you are really that emotionally invested in this argument that you need to try to find fault in any little possible conceivable way you can think of?

You did in this very same post! In the part I quoted above, you claim that that "passage" is from the article. It clearly isn't.

Good Lord.

I claimed the quote was from the article I linked. It is the first sentence in the article. You keep insisting I mean something else... when I clearly posted the quote and the link right alongside it.

You insistent there is literally no positives for a 14yo playing gta5. Aside from all this developmental stuff, there is the mere enjoyment of playing the game. I thought this much was obvious. So rather than admit you were wrong, or even that you might remotely be wrong, you've chosen to argue tooth and nail on anything and everything.

I think it is clear that all you're attempting to do here is drag out a rather circular and meaningless, rather petty, argument. Oh well.
 
You insistent there is literally no positives for a 14yo playing gta5. Aside from all this developmental stuff, there is the mere enjoyment of playing the game. I thought this much was obvious. So rather than admit you were wrong, or even that you might remotely be wrong, you've chosen to argue tooth and nail on anything and everything.

My argument is that 1) playing GTA has no benefit above and beyond playing similar games with a lower level of violence and 2) it doesn't matter if there is technically a benefit to be had to playing GTA if the same benefit can be gained from something without the objectionable content.

As a parent, if I find the content objectionable I'm probably not going to factor "But it's fun" into my decision to let my kid play it. Maybe that's just me.

If it makes you happy, I'll agree that there may technically be some benefit to a child from playing GTA. Don't think I ever dismissed the possibility, but there you go. Like I said, I think it's a pretty pointless statement since kids can get that benefit in other, potentially healthier ways, but in return for you giving me a few laughs I will back out and concede victory of this argument to you =)
 

dark10x

Digital Foundry pixel pusher
I feel like the struggle in getting your parents to let you play GTA is like a rite of passage for many kids these days. Definitely had to do my best persuasive arguing for M games when I was around 14 and 15.

Anyways, these stories are hilariously terrifying but this more just sounds like "retail horror stories" in general.
Heh, for me, it was finding a way to buy Kingpin back in 1999 before I was 18.
 

urfe

Member
I worked at a Futureshop 10 years ago, and have no horror stories.

It was pretty chill. People were generally nice.

Although these two guys once got really angry at eachother about passages and how to properly cite articles. We called the cops on them.
 
When I was 12 I got my hands on GTA:SA. I loved that game, it was tame in comparison to some of the other games I had played up to that point. That said I had one consistent thing that nearly always ruined the immersion for me.

"You know it's just a game right? Not going to shoot anyone in real life? Curse at that game one more time!"

As a kid it was annoying, but grown up and out of my babi pants, I realise she had legit concerns about me getting too influenced by the game. So every 30 mins she would usually ask me the above. It did break the immersion, but it also kept me fairly grounded in reality.


Honestly I think she did the right thing. She gave me whatever I asked, over my age, and in return I had to keep dealing with her questions. Too many parents are ok with just letting their kids play video games because there for kids. They should be asking them questions, keeping the rooted in reality. Besides if any game has made me want to murder anyone more, it was Mario Kart on the N64. Rainbow road still haunts my dreams...
 
That guy in the GTA story is a dick. Sorry but he shouldn't have kept pressing after he made the parents aware of the age requirement, it's almost as if he was refusing to sell the game just didn't want to say as much.

When I have kids and they are 13-14 years old I'll buy them GTA and whatever other games they want. At 13-14 they already know that stuff anyways, or at least I did and kids are growing up even faster today than they ever were.

"When I have kids" makes your point completely irrelevant. You want to protect your kids. You don't want your kids growing up that fast. Your outlook changes. Anyone arguing about this shit in this thread that doesn't have kids needs to move along. You have no idea.
 
When I was a kid I was the one initiating that situation because I hated shopping with my mum

Whenever I'm shopping with my family and I get bored I find a nice comfy seat in a book shop and immerse myself in whatever looks interesting.

Wish I had been more proactive like that when I was a kid. Would have saved myself so much boredom.
 
"When I have kids" makes your point completely irrelevant. You want to protect your kids. You don't want your kids growing up that fast. Your outlook changes. Anyone arguing about this shit in this thread that doesn't have kids needs to move along. You have no idea.

agree with the bit about not wanting them to grow up too fast. I don't want my kids playing games where they kill; people and sleep with prostitutes. It may not do them any harm but I've rather they do children type things in their childhood.
 
agree with the bit about not wanting them to grow up too fast. I don't want my kids playing games where they kill; people and sleep with prostitutes. It may not do them any harm but I've rather they do children type things in their childhood.

I just love the notion of "Oh, I'll let him play it in free roam and just watch him."

I'm sorry, I can barely wipe my ass most days. Where are you people finding time to watch your kids play video games? Biggest cop out "I'll throw my kid in front of the TV and be done with it" excuse I've ever heard.
 

Osahi

Member
Oh god the pooping one D: .

Had a similar experience, but then with a guy just pissing in his pants. He ran out before we could figure out what had happened, but we noticed the dark stain on his crotch and the pee smelling puddle between two racks. Was a regular client too, a real creep. Did not see him for a couple of weeks afterwards. Then he came back as if nothing had happened.

Bleh, i hated working there. Store was in a poor neighbourhood, saw some shit that made me loose faith in humanity
 
never have understood the uptightness of stores and their bathrooms. let the woman use the f'in bathroom dumbass.

walk with her back there and make sure she doesn't steal anything.
 
I don't have a video game story but years ago when I worked at best buy some lady tried to stuff her purse with a lot of ipods... ipods... yep. Remember those.
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jonno394

Member
never have understood the uptightness of stores and their bathrooms. let the woman use the f'in bathroom dumbass.

walk with her back there and make sure she doesn't steal anything.

Insurance as well. Woman slips and falls in the bathroom then the store is fucked, their insurance will likely only cover them for accidents happening on the shop floor.
 
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