Breakfast at Noon
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If she was pregnant she has a legal right to use the toilets, hell you can legally use a policemans hat to piss in.
The perception of PEGI ratings and ratings on games in general in the UK is still really blase. I've worked in retail in the past (both for Virgin and Game) and the amount of times parents don't even realise there's a rating on the DVD/Game box was amazing. They'll hear 'Blood, Sex & Violence' and just think it's the kind of stuff you'd see in your typical action movie, when we most of us know video games often can and sometimes do take it way beyond that.
However, growing up I grew up with Nintendo consoles so was never really subjected to 18+ / Mature games issue. Yet, my friends has Playstations and my cousin had a Megadrive with Mortal Kombat so I still played them 'underage'. Like other people have said it's a different time compared to what it was 15-20 years ago. I still remember morning news kicking off about GTA, and MK having it's blood turned green. I can't say I ever feel the NEED to have an 18+ game when I was a pre-teen/early teen, although I probably had a ton of 18+ movies by the time I was 14.
If she was pregnant she has a legal right to use the toilets, hell you can legally use a policemans hat to piss in.
That guy in the GTA story is a dick. Sorry but he shouldn't have kept pressing after he made the parents aware of the age requirement, it's almost as if he was refusing to sell the game just didn't want to say as much.
When I have kids and they are 13-14 years old I'll buy them GTA and whatever other games they want. At 13-14 they already know that stuff anyways, or at least I did and kids are growing up even faster today than they ever were.
That guy in the GTA story is a dick. Sorry but he shouldn't have kept pressing after he made the parents aware of the age requirement, it's almost as if he was refusing to sell the game just didn't want to say as much.
When I have kids and they are 13-14 years old I'll buy them GTA and whatever other games they want. At 13-14 they already know that stuff anyways, or at least I did and kids are growing up even faster today than they ever were.
as someone with an ibd I don't feel sorry for the bathroom story.
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Can't wait to see your explanation of how playing GTA positively effects a child.
is shameful. And shame on me for actually responding to it.Can't wait to see your explanation of how playing GTA positively effects a child.
You asked what I think the positives from gta5 could be. I provided you information about scientific studies that there are positives from playing even violent shooters, from a very credible source known as the APA, a leading organization on psychology in the US/NA.
Well, you can thank the majority of our fellow human beings for not being allowed to use the employee's toilet without a problem. People just can't behave themselves it seems.
I've had to clean shit off WALLS and several times already because I was stupid enough to let someone in there. It's like people become loons the moment they enter a bathroom that's not their own.
It's just like many other situations retail(and probably other "service jobs" as well): Being understanding and nice gets you nothing but a kick in the balls at the end. At best you get a grumpy "thank you", most of the time it just gets you more (gross) work.
So yeah, I can understand them not letting people in there quite well. It sucks but it's necessary.
You asked what I think the positives from gta5 could be. I provided you information about scientific studies that there are positives from playing even violent shooters, from a very credible source known as the APA, a leading organization on psychology in the US/NA.
Frankly, I should not have even answered your question in the first place. You took a statement out of context and baited me into an argument about something that is not even that relevant to the original point of the post you quoted in the first place.
My position is not about the article. It is not about whether gta5 is the best thing a kid can do for his developmental benefit. It was never even fucking close to that, so stop with this "well the kid could go outside right?" or the splatoon shit. I never once argued that the kid should or must play gta 5 over doing ANYTHING else.
I don't know what your motivation is for trying to take the conversation in the direction you are attempting to. To save face after your blunder about there being no positives for playing gta 5 for a child? I don't care. But I answered your question well enough regardless because for some goddamned reason I thought maybe you'll think twice before you try to post the way you did.
This post: is shameful. And shame on me for actually responding to it.
How about you keep reading what he and I said, rather than just pick and choose part of the argument that fits your needs? Because in the end those studies are not the end all be all (hell they even make that known themselves) that you seem to be making them out to be, they are very selective about who they test and for how long they are tested for. Do you really think that everyone is exactly the same as the people they are testing?
Dude, you didn't even read the article you quoted. It says right in the article that games have demonstrable negative effects on children, and that any positive effects aren't proven due to the methodologies of the studies that have been conducted to date.
I don't know why you're being so dramatic over this.
You said, quote, "If you only show the bad they get the impression that there is literally only bad and nothing remotely positive to be derived from the game."
I thought that was a ridiculous statement in a discussion about GTA, since I personally don't see any positive benefit to a child playing GTA (not saying there's necessarily any dramatic negative impacts or that I wouldn't let my kid play GTA, but I definitely wouldn't consider in enriching). I challenged you to back up your claim.
You replied with a misleading quote of an article you clearly haven't read.
Sorry I brought shame upon us both for asking you to clarify a post you made =P
Edit: and sorry NeoGAF for the double post. Clearly a blunder-full day for ClayKavalier.
Do you even know what my argument is? Hint: it has nothing to do with the article I posted.
The studies strongly suggest there are more than a few positives even when playing a violent video game.
I read the article. Of course I read the article. It is about a minute long. Please don't make this silly accusation again. You are only assuming I didn't read the article because of a line where it says there is the potential for negatives affects, right? Of course there is the potential for negative affects. This is likely true for everything in excess, even drinking too much water which is an essential nutrient is a very real negative to a person's health. You only asked about whether any positives exist. This article strongly suggest there are, backed by scientific studies. Whether there are negatives or whether the negatives outweigh the positives - was not relevant and is not relevant.
My quote was not misleading. It was demonstrative of what the article was purported to say is truth in relation to the question being asked. You did not ask whether the positives outweigh the negatives or any such qualitative assessment. You asked whether there are any positives at all. And in my earlier posts in this line of conversation I did say that the parent make an informed decision by weighing the positives and the negatives to letting their child play the game.
Wait. People aren't suppose to poop in video game stores?
...not even in the EA section?
Wait. People aren't suppose to poop in video game stores?
...not even in the EA section?
As someone who has worked retail on and off for many years those stories don't surprise me even a little bit. People in general are nice/harmless but there are a lot of dummies mixed in. I feel kinda bad for that kid but I give a thumbs up to that employee for empowering those parents to make an informed decision. Would say the same if they still bought it, cause at least they knew. It's a lot of extra effort to do over and over and there's basically no reward to the employees for doing it.
I would have got security/the cops on that shitting lady though. Woulda chased her out to her car and got a license # at the very least. Fuck people who do stuff like that,
Good to know that you will win the parent of the year award and won't have it in you to tell your kids "No", letting them be the most spoiled little brats ever. Does it matter what you went through growing up? Do you honestly believe that things are exactly the same now as they were then? "Well they'll just learn this stuff anyway from everyone else", does that make everyone else right or does it mean that they too had parents who also didn't give a shit to teach their kids anything?
So why post it? Maybe be more clear about your argument instead of posting links that have nothing to do with your thoughts? That seems like a bad way to make a point.
No, they don't. The authors admit they don't.
You're hysterical. You realize the link you posted was just quoting an academic article, right? The first line is "Playing video games, including violent shooter games, may boost children's learning, health and social skills, according to a review of research in American Psychologist." That isn't the actual article that was published in the APA.
This is.
Frankly, I should not have even answered your question in the first place. You took a statement out of context and baited me into an argument about something that is not even that relevant to the original point of the post you quoted in the first place.
This post: is shameful. And shame on me for actually responding to it.
I'm not saying you are a child, but I feel like I would have argued the same point, said it the same way, and been just as abrasive when I was 14 years old.
How on earth can I respond to you if you edit your post 10 times?
But no. You are not worth responding to.
Should I suggest you did not read the article because this following passage suggests there are very real positives. "Playing video games, including violent shooter games, may boost children's learning, health and social skills, according to a review of research in American Psychologist."
Of course the article is not the study itself. I never suggested it was.
I love the look on customers faces when they're denied refunds due to lacking their receipt. Especially when I say "you could have bought it from anywhere, you can't even prove you bought it here"
As if we were the only place to sell it, damn.
When I was a kid I was the one initiating that situation because I hated shopping with my mumGame stores and pet stores seem to be the two big places for dropping off your kids so you can get shit done without the hassle. I feel bad for the employee if both and for animals in pet stores.
LOL!!
That quote is not from the actual article. It misrepresents the conclusions of the actual article. You would know this if you had read the article.
Anyway, how are you getting "very real" from "may boost"?
I think it's cute that you refer to a single sentence as a "passage," but that's beside the point.
You did in this very same post! In the part I quoted above, you claim that that "passage" is from the article. It clearly isn't.
Good Lord.
Dude. What mental state are you in to say, "you know what? I'm gonna shit in this plant".
You insistent there is literally no positives for a 14yo playing gta5. Aside from all this developmental stuff, there is the mere enjoyment of playing the game. I thought this much was obvious. So rather than admit you were wrong, or even that you might remotely be wrong, you've chosen to argue tooth and nail on anything and everything.
Heh, for me, it was finding a way to buy Kingpin back in 1999 before I was 18.I feel like the struggle in getting your parents to let you play GTA is like a rite of passage for many kids these days. Definitely had to do my best persuasive arguing for M games when I was around 14 and 15.
Anyways, these stories are hilariously terrifying but this more just sounds like "retail horror stories" in general.
That guy in the GTA story is a dick. Sorry but he shouldn't have kept pressing after he made the parents aware of the age requirement, it's almost as if he was refusing to sell the game just didn't want to say as much.
When I have kids and they are 13-14 years old I'll buy them GTA and whatever other games they want. At 13-14 they already know that stuff anyways, or at least I did and kids are growing up even faster today than they ever were.
When I was a kid I was the one initiating that situation because I hated shopping with my mum
"When I have kids" makes your point completely irrelevant. You want to protect your kids. You don't want your kids growing up that fast. Your outlook changes. Anyone arguing about this shit in this thread that doesn't have kids needs to move along. You have no idea.
agree with the bit about not wanting them to grow up too fast. I don't want my kids playing games where they kill; people and sleep with prostitutes. It may not do them any harm but I've rather they do children type things in their childhood.
Oh god the pooping one D: .
never have understood the uptightness of stores and their bathrooms. let the woman use the f'in bathroom dumbass.
walk with her back there and make sure she doesn't steal anything.
never have understood the uptightness of stores and their bathrooms. let the woman use the f'in bathroom dumbass.
walk with her back there and make sure she doesn't steal anything.