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[michaelius]

You guys love bitching about Kotaku but giving them the hits anyways. I stopped clicking through to that joke of a website a long time ago and if you all stopped talking about the garbage they write the world would be a better place.

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[Village]

Well, I'm sorry it doesn't pass your personal test for being thread-worthy. Do you have an e-mail address or should I just PM you next time I want to post something so you can sign off on it?

You can make all the threads you want, just realize that them not knowing David.. is trivial in the end.

 

[LightofRohan]

As a person who goes to an art school. Who gives a shit honestly. They don;t know about Michelangelo's david , my gosh.

* goes on with everyone's daily lives*

Knowing art is one of those things that are nice, but is eventually meaningless because someone caring or not means.... nothing. You think it doesn't sadden me a little they do not know what it is? At the end of the day, eh. It sucks if they go on a game show i guess.

What? This wasn't a random one-off statement. This person gets paid to post and chose to post about art and censorship, which is a big discussion. She doesn't need to know every painting done in the Renaissance or who Rothko is, but she should at least know what she is talking about.

 

[Delusibeta]

Wait, it just occurred to me. FE:A is rated T. Was Tharja's butt really something that was going to elevate it to M-rated, especially when, again, the same DLC shows just as suggestive a scene as Tharja's butt?

Probably not, but it's America, let's not run the risk.

(Also, ESRB really needs an age rating between 12+ and 17+)

 

[RichardAM]

Seriously?

Why aren't Kotaku blocked here yet? :/

 

[KojiKnight]

....

Sigh... Let's try again... You say that the ESRB is tantamount to censorship. Censorship implies that the "artists" (in this case game designers) are being stifled because they have to meet certain guidelines set by the ESRB to reach certain ratings correct?

An AO rating doesn't stop a game from being made, it stops it from being sold at many retailers. True artists wouldn't care about whether a game is selling or not, merely that there art and message is getting out there. If you only do art for money, then yes you'll "drop your standards" to match, but that's still not censorship. That's folding on your personal standards to make money.

But it's not the ESRB that is the biggest cause of this, it's the PUBLISHERS that are the biggest cause of artistic and creativity being squashed. They demand that developers make their games certain ways so they are more marketable and that they can make more money from them. We know of MANY instances where big developers have changed (or tried to change) characters/plots/etc to sell more.

Either way, ESRB isn't causing censorship... it would be the retailers for not wanting to carry games with AO ratings, and publishers who are willing to ruin artistic vision for money. Both of those have a far greater influence than the ESRB on content. You could also blame Metacritic too while you're at it.

(edit) you've posted since then and restated "I didn't say censorship"... so maybe we're arguing over the definition of "tantamount"?

 

[Pikma]

Wait, it just occurred to me. FE:A is rated T. Was Tharja's butt really something that was going to elevate it to M-rated, especially when, again, the same DLC shows just as suggestive a scene as Tharja's butt?

Nope, definitely not, but they went for it anyways, which is what everyone is criticizing.

 

[Neiteio]

Uh, did you miss the part where they had limited time and budgets and thus developed that art style specifically to try to look as good as possible within that constraints? That's not an opinion and is the exact opposite of lazy. Are you deliberately ignoring the people explaining to you why OVA's and opening sequences look better, including that post you quoted?

No, I'm saying the "style" looks cheap, and the limited budget explains why they look so low-rent. But like I said, I dig several such animes. They don't have to have impressive animation to be worth watching.

 

[OnimaruXLR]

I'm used to seeing Kotaku be insidious, but this--like people said, falls into the realm of cartoon buffoonery. Is this writer 12 years old or something? I could see Gawker hiring a 12 year old. They wouldn't even need to pay them, just send free games and shit.

Kotaku, the Peter Griffin of the games media

 

[casabolg]

 

[ShockingAlberto]

You can make all the threads you want, just realize that them not knowing David.. is trivial in the end.

And I am more than willing to react any damn way I please when anyone demonstrates a lack of knowledge whether you think it's trivial or not.

But you're in art school, so I guess you're the authority, right?

Maybe you should make another Sonic character design thread before you go around accusing others of investing in trivialities.

 

[Village]

What? This wasn't a random one-off statement. This person gets paid to post and chose to post about art and censorship, which is a big discussion. She doesn't need to know every painting done in the Renaissance or who Rothko is, but she should at least know what she is talking about.

I am not saying she shouldn't do research. That THAT her fault. However the guy was talking about people not knowing the David in general.

And I am more than willing to react any damn well way I please when anyone demonstrates a lack of knowledge whether you think it's trivial or not.

But you're in art school, so I guess you're the authority, right?

Maybe you should make another Sonic character design thread before you go around accusing others of investing in trivialities.

2 things.

1) i never said anyone who thinks old sonic is better is.. " uncultered"

2) Discussing interesting character design and possibly making people think about arrt and how to create characters is far more productive than complaining that someone doesn't know what this thing is.

 

[Diggeh]

I can't wait to see Kotaku GAF Guy© try to defend his precious website on this issue.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Sigh... Let's try again... You say that the ESRB is tantamount to censorship. Censorship implies that the "artists" (in this case game designers) are being stifled because they have to meet certain guidelines set by the ESRB to reach certain ratings correct?

An AO rating doesn't stop a game from being made, it stops it from being sold at many retailers. True artists wouldn't care about whether a game is selling or not, merely that there art and message is getting out there. If you only do art for money, then yes you'll "drop your standards" to match, but that's still not censorship. That's folding on your personal standards to make money.

But it's not the ESRB that is the biggest cause of this, it's the PUBLISHERS that are the biggest cause of artistic and creativity being squashed. They demand that developers make their games certain ways so they are more marketable and that they can make more money from them. We know of MANY instances where big developers have changed (or tried to change) characters/plots/etc to sell more.

Either way, ESRB isn't causing censorship... it would be the retailers for not wanting to carry games with AO ratings, and publishers who are willing to ruin artistic vision for money. Both of those have a far greater influence than the ESRB on content. You could also blame Metacritic too while you're at it.

The most accurate thing to say is that all of those things play a role in censorship. Higher Metacritic scores, lower ESRB ratings, better audience reach, etc.

 

[SteveO409]

Maybe Kotaku writer understanda japanese culture

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/japan-town-demands-pants-michelangelos-david-083433717.html

 

[2 Slice Toaster]

Seriously?

Why aren't Kotaku blocked here yet? :/

I never understand why people constantly ask for this. Can't you just...not go in threads that explicitly state they are about Kotaku articles?

Also the source for alot of threads around here would dry up.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

You can make all the threads you want, just realize that them not knowing David.. is trivial in the end.

Video games are trivial in the end. Art is trivial in the end. What's your point?

 

[SteveWinwood]

You can make all the threads you want, just realize that them not knowing David.. is trivial in the end.

This is hilarious considering you had a thread just so important you had to get someone else to post it when you were a junior.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I'm used to seeing Kotaku be insidious, but this--like people said, falls into the realm of cartoon buffoonery. Is this writer 12 years old or something? I could see Gawker hiring a 12 year old. They wouldn't even need to pay them, just send free games and shit.

Kotaku, the Peter Griffin of the games media

"cartoon buffoonery"

"12 years old"

"I could see Gawker hiring a 12 year old"

"They wouldn't even need to pay them, just send free games and shit"

"the Peter Griffin of the games media"

None of those are things I can actually respond to and discuss. All I can say is that your response reads of a 12-year-old Peter Griffin's cartoon buffoonery. What, specifically, makes this article so bad?

 

[KojiKnight]

The most accurate thing to say is that all of those things play a role in censorship. Higher Metacritic scores, lower ESRB ratings, better audience reach, etc.

They all can yes, because they all affect the amount of money possible to make. Money becomes the greatest censor of all!!

 

[partyphone]

This is hilarious considering you had a thread just so important you had to get someone else to post it when you were a junior.

hahaha. GAF never forgets. Never forgives.

 

[A Link to the Past]

They all can yes, because they all affect the amount of money possible to make. Money becomes the greatest censor of all!!

At least it isn't as bad as the film industry can be at times.

 

[Risette]

hahaha. GAF never forgets. Never forgives.

especially when it's about Sonic

modern Sonic being better, on top of that

 

[Neiteio]

Can everyone stop acting like children and stop shitting on each other's threads? Thanks!

Side note: Classic Sonic was adorable in Generations. SO CUTE!

 

[KojiKnight]

Can everyone stop acting like children and stop shitting on each other's threads? Thanks!

Side note: Classic Sonic was adorable in Generations. SO CUTE!

Oh no! Now you've done it! They're going to go through your thread history and insult you! Sometimes gaf does get a little childish...


Side note: I personally found classic sonic to look good, but not adorable.


Side side note: I also didn't grow up playing sonic games though.

 

[Village]

This is hilarious considering you had a thread just so important you had to get someone else to post it when you were a junior.

yep.
Because its a forum about video games.

We going somewhere with this? Or.....

Should I not make threads possibly talking about character design. Because what I was commenting on is the fact that the person suggest that not knowing david was.. some how wrong. Yeah the lady should have done research. Not talking about her specifically.

 

[Beermeister]

Eek, a penis. The children will be scarred for life. For life I say.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Eek, a penis. The children will be scarred for life. For life I say.

Wasn't the point of the article.

 

[Neiteio]

Oh no! Now you've done it! They're going to go through your thread history and insult you! Sometimes gaf does get a little childish...


Side note: I personally found classic sonic to look good, but not adorable.


Side side note: I also didn't grow up playing sonic games though.

Don't try and tell me you didn't want to hug Classic Sonic.

EDIT: Hmm, he looks more badass than I remembered.

 

[Risette]

Oh no! Now you've done it! They're going to go through your thread history and insult you! Sometimes gaf does get a little childish...

this thread is about art, that thread was about (bad) art

 

[Herne]

It's like that episode of the Simpsons all over again. Well done, Kotaku.

 

[scytherage]

That isn't erotica. Geez Kotaku, go to high school for crying out loud

 

[A Link to the Past]

That isn't erotica. Geez Kotaku, go to high school for crying out loud

ugh

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

It's like that episode of the Simpsons all over again. Well done, Kotaku.

Eeeeh sort of, that was more an analysis of what a hypocrite Marge was. It fits pretty well to the videogame media though in honesty.

 

[casabolg]

Patriarchy wins again.
Better luck next time.

 

[SteveWinwood]

Yeah you're not worth my time.

 

[Village]

According to you we shouldn't make threads about things that don't matter, and if there is one thing that doesn't matter to sonic, it's character design.

A few seconds ago I would have went on a gigantic tirade about art, appeal to demographics, what appeals to people, color theory ect.

That would have just summed up the words, " what is this , I dont even"


But I will give the abridged version.

What is this? I dont even?

See you edited, probably for the best.

 

[Mandoric]

Looks cheap and herky-jerky. The rest of the video looks even worse, like the Pokémon anime, characters literally going from one pose to another with minimal transition in-between (a.k.a. animation).

Do they budget by the frame in Japan? It's rarely as silky smooth as Tom & Jerry cartoons that are freaking ancient (I'm not fan of those either, but the animation is superior).

Also, how come the opening theme song montages to many animes always look better than the actual show? Glossier, smoother animation... Do they have more budget for the opening, hence it doesn't look as cheap?

I'm going to expand on this and probably regret it. :lol

For almost all studios, budget is by the frame. Both key and tween animators are paid per-frame, key animators approximately 10x more (around 2,000 yen vs. slightly under 200).

OP and ED each live in the 1-3 million yen range, for visuals alone. So basically, slightly under the cost to animate a single episode.

 

[dreamfall]

Incredible article- Kotaku writers are really insightful.

"...yeah, that's definitely a dick."

I miss Patricia Hernandez's work from Nightmare Mode. This seems hastily written, and of poor form. Hell, even the screenshot isn't of proper clarity.

 

[Beermeister]

Wasn't the point of the article.

Duh!

 

[FearMyWrench]

I like how they used crappy pictures of the screen when the game has a screenshot function.

 

[Rootbeer]

if nintendo recalls the game or puts off releasing it to fix this 'oversight' i am going to rage :|

 

[rpmurphy]

I like how they used crappy pictures of the screen when the game has a screenshot function.

Can't waste even one minute in posting this groundbreaking scoop!

 

[RMI]

I can't wait to see Kotaku GAF Guy© try to defend his precious website on this issue.

I can imagine how this would go:

"That we're morons is beside the point. It's still a penis! Can't you see why that might be problematic for some people?! I would be embarrassed to play this game in public."

Something like that. Don't bother posting, Jason. I've got yo back homey.

 

[Crash Station]

Tharjass>David

 

[KojiKnight]

if nintendo recalls the game or puts off releasing it to fix this 'oversight' i am going to rage :|

I think we can all agree on this, but I honestly don't think Nintendo will even bat an eyelash.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I can imagine how this would go:

"That we're morons is beside the point. It's still a penis! Can't you see why that might be problematic for some people?! I would be embarrassed to play this game in public."

Something like that. Don't bother posting, Jason. I've got yo back homey.

An extremely inaccurate depiction of the article's contents. At no point did she say that the lack of censorship in Animal Crossing is a bad thing.

 

[VXLbeast]

Oh Nintendo you chauvinist pigs.

Spoiler

I can't believe this conversation is happening

 

[UrbanRats]

I'm starting to think Kotaku is trying to create astroturfing on these issues, so they lose impact and value under everyone's eyes.

Luckily i haven't given them a click for this.

 

[conman]

I won't click through to read yet another idiotic Kotaku "article." No matter how many times Jason and Stephen pop over here to defend the seriousness of their site, there are far too many pointless fluff pieces (no pun intended) like this one.

And if the comparison really is between the censored butt pic and Michaelangelo's statue of David, I honestly don't know where to begin tearing into her argument. Is there an unequal gender divide between what is considered sexual? Absolutely.

But sometimes a penis is just a penis.