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[Hyun Sai]

Are you all saying Starcraft Brood War was a fluke ?

 

[Betty]

I know there were rumours that Blizzard may retire characters for an unknown time.

If that's the case I don't mind Roadhog getting first pick because I'd rather that than see my favourite character become more and more obsolete.

 

[Maximo]

Nah fuck Roadhog

The nerfs are not fair but as a person who 4 mains are supports...yeeeeah fuck Roadhog, least the days of being hooked behind walls are past us.

 

[JayWood2010]

can you show us the math to get to 90%?



well i guess it makes sense for you to go there now

If Im remembering right, Roadhog could do 425-450 damage with the hook combo max. You can do the math but that one shotting almost every character in the game including some tanks.

And oh sure, you can take shots at me for disagreeing with me ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[Ryzaki009]

INTRODUCING DOOMFIST

Yeah that's the part that gets me.

Like can the one shot at least not stun? Why does it need to stun?

 

[NeOak]

So Roadhog's ONLY identity was the fact he could Hook insta-kill? Please.

No wonder you got two tags with posts like these.

 

[ffejeromdiks]

And Neogaf forums would suddenly know better? Thats not how things work. It was an ability that was not fun for anybody other than Roadhog players. Again one shotting 90% of the cast is never ok.

This has been the entire crux of your argument throughout the whole thread, it's almost as if you don't have a reason to justfiy the nerf besides regurgitating "but on the overwatch forums..."

 

[Psychoward]

The nerfs are not fair but as a person who 4 mains are supports...yeeeeah fuck Roadhog, least the days of being hooked behind walls are past us.

That change came months ago and was a good and needed change though?

 

[JayWood2010]

This has been the entire crux of your argument throughout the whole thread, it's almost as if you don't have a reason to justfiy the nerf besides regurgitating "but on the overwatch forums..."

My point is that the community has been hammering for them to nerf him for a year. Thats just a fact.

 

[TheChillyAcademic]

No wonder you got two tags with posts like these.

/pat pat

There, there PokeOak. God loves all his children.

 

[E92 M3]

Good. Fuck road hog

"I don't like him so that means no one can"

I hope your favorite character gets nerfed and then we will all go "fuck X."

And this is coming from someone that didn't like Roadhog.

 

[Snacks the sober sea lion]

My point is that the community has been hammering for them to nerf him for a year. Thats just a fact.

And they did nerf him. Twice.

 

[Psychoward]

My point is that the community has been hammering for them to nerf him for a year. Thats just a fact.

*a subset of the community that doesn't even represent the people who play or analyze the game for a living

 

[blankempathy]

My point is that the community has been hammering for them to nerf him for a year. Thats just a fact.

The vast majority isn't always right. Theres a very loud discussion going on about how Blizzard isn't balancing around competitive play and many have taken issue with this. Roadhog's nerf is proof of that.

 

[JayWood2010]

And they did nerf him. Twice.

Not what people wanted. You can argue this until you are blue in the face, it wont change things.

 

[Yukinari]

I know there were rumours that Blizzard may retire characters for an unknown time.

If that's the case I don't mind Roadhog getting first pick because I'd rather that than see my favourite character become more and more obsolete.

I get the feeling Hog and Sombra are the first picks.

Really dont understand what role Sombra has and i literally never see her used unless its mystery heroes or 3v3.

 

[Alucrid]

If Im remembering right, Roadhog could do 425-450 damage with the hook combo max. You can do the math but that one shotting almost every character in the game including some tanks.

And oh sure, you can take shots at me for disagreeing with me ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

who could consistently one shot a zarya as roadhog? no one, that's who

I get the feeling Hog and Sombra are the first picks.

Really dont understand what role Sombra has and i literally never see her used unless its mystery heroes or 3v3.

fantastic defense character on certain maps where health pack position is good. can usually have an EMP up almost every fight if their teammates take the packs enough. it's also useful to try and run a counter sombra and hack the health packs before the defense one can.

 

[Psychoward]

Not what people wanted. You can argue this until you are blue in the face, it wont change things.

You can argue that some of the loudest complainers on the Blizzard forums are "the community" and therefore the change was needed, it won't change things.

 

[JayWood2010]

*a subset of the community that doesn't even represent the people who play or analyze the game for a living

According to you most, if not all of this thread and most likely you yourself shouldnt be allowed to have input at all.

 

[E92 M3]

Not what people wanted. You can argue this until you are blue in the face, it wont change things.

Who are these "people" and why should they dictate the fundamental balance aspects of OW? As far as I was concerned, the game was immensely popular and most dealt with Roadhog fine.

Unless Bronze level players are qualified to determine which characters need nerfing?

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

if the community is right, why isn't hanzo nerfed

 

[Psychoward]

According to you most, if not all of this thread and most likely you yourself shouldnt be allowed to have input at all.

Yes my opinion on balance should mean less than people who play the game more than me, know it better than I do and are more skilled.

 

[JayWood2010]

who could consistently one shot a zarya as roadhog? no one, that's who

Oh boy. Even if you survive the hook combo, you are likely to die before you get a chance to escape unless you have some kind of escapability.

 

[j0hnnix]

I don't understand why they removed Roadhog's one hit kill but then Doomfist has a one hit kill on most of the characters in the game??? Can someone explain the logic?

Yeah and Doomfist's one hit kill is even more random with how big the splash range seems to be

Maaan, doomfist's one hit kill is annoying me to no end, especially when playing support. I'd rather have pre-nerfed hog back.

Now we fucking have doomfists BS to deal with.

Doomfist charge and Hanzo scattershot say hi.

Damn GAF I thought I was the only one disliking Doomfist.. D.VA 💓

I'd rather deal with D.VA and Hanzo over Doomfist

I'm entirely upset with Hogs nerf he was my backup to my junkrat main.. the armor addition might be nice but a total waste when you have no damage to deal out..

 

[JayWood2010]

if the community is right, why isn't hanzo nerfed

Again. Its been a topic for a while now.

 

[blankempathy]

if the community is right, why isn't hanzo nerfed

Who says he won't be. Roadhog has been an issue for the bronze/silver/gold players for a long time so of course he'd be first on their list.

 

[Snacks the sober sea lion]

Oh boy. Even if you survive the hook combo, you are likely to die before you get a chance to escape unless you have some kind of escapability.

Yes, obviously this is why Zarya was never at any point considered a must-pick and had to be nerfed, while Roadhog has been a mainstay of every single meta always.

Clearly.

 

[JayWood2010]

Yes, obviously this is why Zarya was never at any point considered a must-pick and had to be nerfed, while Roadhog has been a mainstay of every single meta always.

Clearly.

I can just see this conversation will continue to go in circles now. Whatever. What is done is done.

Goodnight to all.

 

[Alucrid]

Oh boy. Even if you survive the hook combo, you are likely to die before you get a chance to escape unless you have some kind of escapability.

zarya has the self bubble. zarya should also be close to her team. zarya living through a hook isn't that rare if she's not alone. if she is alone well that's her problem.

 

[Kenai]

A zzz winston main telling me "but if you hit those headshots!" when winston only needs a short hop or some stairs to do his burst dmg

The argument you tried to make was that Winston's burst is on par with DPS who can make actual headshots with their gun which is factually untrue *unless* those DPS are bad and not actually using their mechanics properly. You can argue Winston's easier to play cause autoaim or something, or easier to do consistent damage with, or that the meta favors him, and I'd agree to all 3. But you don't have to get snarky with me for pointing out that your actual claim is incorrect.

And I main Zen btw. I just like to abuse Winston cause he's real, real good (even if he ain't brought for his "burst")

 

[blankempathy]

Blizzard should be taking input from the community and taking it into consideration. However clearly some players input is far more valuable than others. Balancing around low levels of play is just not smart. Especially when you're trying to push your game as the next big Esport. It completely contradicts the image they're trying to present for their game.

 

[katsais]

That one hit kill was bullshit. I'm glad it's gone.

100%!

That shit was annoying.

 

[ArgyleReptile]

Yeah, this just messed me up, especially since I'm getting used to the game again before the Summer Event starts.

I'm used to moving to the next target after head shotting someone already on low health, but I couldn't even kill a Mei that had a chunk of health gone already. I was already turning away before I saw she wasn't dead.

 

[zombieshavebrains]

Not every game is as big as Overwatch

Plenty of games are much bigger than OW and even then it depends on your interests. Doesn't mean any game is entitled to non news threads willy nilly.

Seriously, "Kotaku wrote an article that people are upset because something changed!" is news? This could be done for every single game on the front page of Twitch. That's just life bro.

 

[Gorillaz]

Doomfist is a decent peaceoffering for the Hog blood sacrifice. Almost thought Blizz were going to shit the bed for a 2nd character in a row

 

[Alucrid]

Plenty of games are much bigger than OW and even then it depends on your interests. Doesn't mean any game is entitled to non news threads willy nilly.

Seriously, "Kotaku wrote an article that people are upset because something changed!" is news? This could be done for every single game on the front page of Twitch. That's just life bro.

if you really think a thread is useless don't whine in the thread about it, contact a mod and ask them to close it.

 

[spindoctor]

Welcome to blizzard bullshit balancing, sincerely long time wow player.

This is the simple truth I learned years ago when I used to play WOW. They don't do it out of malice or incompetence, but they still can and do suck at balancing. The solution was and has always been to play every class. In WOW or Diablo that meant leveling every class to the cap and switching depending on whatever is the FOTM. In Overwatch it means being to play all the characters.

Don't get attached to a specific character as your 'main' in a Blizzard because it will always lead to frustration.

 

[Lijik]

This has been the entire crux of your argument throughout the whole thread, it's almost as if you don't have a reason to justfiy the nerf besides regurgitating "but on the overwatch forums..."

if you repeat "only hog mains complain about the nerf" every other post it means you dont have to actually read what people are saying

 

[JeremyEtcetera]

Really dont understand what role Sombra has and i literally never see her used unless its mystery heroes or 3v3.

Disruption, health pack management, removing lucio ults/shields/etc with ult and disabling very crucial abilities of ability heavy characters(Dva, Tracer, Doomfist, and Mercy for example). Look up some pro Sombra players on youtube(like Corey) and you'll see that her potential is vast and she is vastly underrated. She is a character, that when utilized to her full ability, can turn the tide of a battle. She is DBZ's Gohan of this game.

My main issue with Roadhog is that his nerf coincided with the rise of Dive Comp. Dive comp has been one of the least enjoyed team comps to play against and has made the Overwatch Cup a bore to watch with endless mirror matches. If anyone wants to know why not many want to play competitive lately and why major overwatch streamers are moving to/trying out other games, it's specifically because of this team comp, mainly having to do with Winston, DVA and Genji.

 

[Frozenprince]

The answer to every characters problems shouldn't always be "just completely alter them" like, at some point you just register that you cannot ever reasonably balance all skill levels and characters and sometimes there will be bullshit hooks that piss you off.

He's useless now but completely altering his character is a shit answer to a problem nobody had to begin with other than a moderate annoyance from people in lower skill tiers.

If Blizzards new balance strategy is "nerf these characters into uselessness and if people bitch enough we'll just basically make them an entirely new character" I'm done playing.

 

[Sponge]

Hate what they did to Roadhog.

 

[veloxStrix]

I mean, you have have some worthless characters in your game to make the other ones stand out.

 

[Alucrid]

I mean, you have have some worthless characters in your game to make the other ones stand out.

we already have defense heroes though

 

[Frozenprince]

"Blizzard created a crappy character with only one utility" not every character needs to be able to do every thing. His utility made him unique and fun, it's a risk reward.

The last thing people should want is character homogeneity.

 

[Demoskinos]

He seems like a problem either he is too weak or too over powered. He might just need an entire kit rework.

 

[Rizzi]

Blizzard once again demonstrating a complete lack of understanding or ability of how to balance a multiplayer game.

 

[Frozenprince]

Can't believe i'm seeing people that want Hanzo's scatter arrow nerfed.

Then what the ever loving hell is his utility at all? He's worse than Roadhog at that point.

 

[Psychoward]

Can't believe i'm seeing people that want Hanzo's scatter arrow nerfed.

Then what the ever loving hell is his utility at all? He's worse than Roadhog at that point.

I hate scatter arrow because of the RNG nature but ideally they'd just remove it entirely and replace it with something else.

 

[Frozenprince]

I hate scatter arrow because of the RNG nature but ideally they'd just remove it entirely and replace it with something else.

I think Hanzo's in a good spot tho, he's rarely picked in mid-level comp, he has a high skill ceiling and is super easy to counter.

I'd rather they stop fundamentally altering every character every 2 months. Especially since they just added another character that has a OHKO but also has a really high skill ceiling IMO.

 

[Nickle]

Bad players everywhere are happy, though.