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Kurt Westergaard retires: muslim-extremists win
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Rabbit Lord said:
I consider this phrase newspeak.
spiderman123
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does it taste good
kinoki
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avatar299 said:
They're both equally bad. Islam has better philosopical discussion and Christians have given up all credibility by adapting "true faith" to whatever is chic that day. They're both equally made up. If by "evolved" you mean "downplayed the religious aspects of religion" I bet your kind of right because christians have never been intrested in religion it has always been controlling people. From Nicea onward religion has been formed to whatever needs the religion has had and it has never had anything to do with Jesus. Islam however is founded on a historical figure and from that point of view has a bigger chance of being "right." But, I digress.
And, it's a personal belief of mine that in 500 years time people who are religious will be treated medicinally for their "condition". It's a world-view that some won't share, of course, nor is it anything I say to provoke any religious people. It's just something that makes sense to me. Like eating leverpostej with strawberry jam on sandwishes. Most would find it repulsive, but in my narrow view of the world... yummy.
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kinoki said:
I like leverpostej with mayo, but strawberry jam? That's new.
This shot best explains the situation Muslims are going through. The rest of the protest and the hundreds which were peaceful are ignored, but this minority are brought up in every situation. Looking at it on a larger scale, the terrorists are given the majority of sane, civilized Muslims a bad name. Well, at least to the narrow minded.ymmv said:
I mean, do people realize that all those signs in that shot are written by the same person? Just look at the handwriting.
Yes I'm Muslim and proud to be called one.
kinoki said:
Some of your points in the first paragraph don't make any sense. Being founded on a historical figure is nice... except when that historical figure is a crazy dude who posits endless nonsense with no basis in reality. The "controlling people" quality you attribute to Christianity is highly present in Islam as well.
That being said, I agree that Christianity isn't "better" than Islam- it's simply the case that "Christian" countries are no longer actually Christian, while many Islamic countries today follow many Islamic precepts.
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ymmv said:
It was pretty amusing that a cartoon which was acusing Islam of being violent sparked a whole load of violence by Muslims.
Fundamentalists and their lack of irony.
Ydahs said:
So what are you doing to stop this vocal minority? It sounds as if you'd rather criticize the "narrow minded" people for seeing this and then making judgments based on it. So the fault goes from the vocal minority into the observer instead?
Do you criticize and try and stop the vocal minority if they're the root of the problem?
kinoki
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dschalter said:
All religious people are crazy in some sense. Because, to be "sane" you'd have to rely far more heavily on empirical evidence. You can't do that if you're religious because you'd end up in a dead end. And to say "no basis in reality" you actually do know religion is based primarily in meta-physics as in "beyond reality," right?
As for the Christian trying to keep up with current affairs. Look at some of the more liberal western priests. They couldn't be more wrong about what christianity actually is. They just take whatever passage they need to make a point and try to disregard whatever contradicts it. And with a book as the bible, which people hold as sacred, being just what a 'Best of'-collection that drew lines in the sand of what priests felt could net them the most money and subordination.
Add to this that The Bible, in the Christian sense, have been altered and changed many passages so that it would provide a better narrative for Jesus Christ. And further, that while both the Quaran and Torah have remained in its native language noone ever holds the greek new testament in any high regard placing far more emphasis on a good translation in a modern language. Making most passages hazy at best since they have no place or correlation to modern society and is primarily used for nutbags on all sides to further their motives with religious merit.
I'd still place Islam over Christianity since of the people I know and have met in my studies I've found muslims to be far more open-minded and far more forgiving than christians. They've even been far more intrested in discussing my stance on the subject and hear me out than pre-maturely dismissed me.
What i don't understand is how South park did that episode with the prophet before the danish cartoon incident and no one said shit.Even when the danish cartoons came up no one really said shit until that Politician from Pakistan-(Imran khan?)-started rallying up people and then BAM a shitstorm ensued...smh
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The presence of religion in society has been decaying for decades and I think this lack of exposure, whether good or bad (depending on your beliefs and opinions) has led to an alienation between doctrine and the populace. One of the most recent studies polled here in the UK showed that around 70% of the population identified themselves as Christian. Yet figures like that are in stark contrast to the realities on the ground with the widely publicised falling rate of Church attendances much less the lack of relevance 'God' plays in our every-day culture (compared to the United States for example).
For all the questionable aspects of religion, the most potent attribute of it is that it does not fit into cultural upbringing - it is too restrictive, too prohibitative, too offensive and all for someone named God of whom many have no desire to believe in. Notice I did not say .."many have no reason to believe..". How many people here on GAF for example want to accept you need to marry a girl to sleep with her? The Abrahamic prophets preached a collection of needed ideals and morals which were dying from society, not alien to it, and so people were drawn to these calls. When society changes, you cannot expect people to embrace faith in God when you're preaching what they now deem to be immoral or dislikeable. Some religious groups realise this and call for wide and deep reforms to doctrines; reinterpret the text and when you can't, interpret it that it was only relevant to one particular time and not the present, and if not then ignore it because God loves you anyway. Some of these groups have strong cases in my personal opinion, whilst others seem to be more interested in fitting the current norm into doctrine at any cost.
There is this struggle within Christian, Muslim and Jewish denominations to find a role for their faiths in an ever changing reality. I remember reading an article about a year ago in where a group of Jewish Rabbi's were meeting to discuss the issue of homosexuality within scripture because people asked for it. A few Churches have taken the controversial leap in implementing reforms but the biggest one has not. Personally, call me a cynic, but I suspect some may be using the terrible sex scandal with the CC as a platform to underscore the rhetoric that God/Christianity/Catholicism must change or die away. It's a similar theme of two groups of people raised in completely different environments and subsequent different attitudes clashing. Let me play devils advocate here: whilst we here in the West are able to feel comfortable enough with ourselves to mock Christ in cartoons, Muslims in the East do not. There is a deep reverence there for things of this nature, not to mention depictions of religious characters being forbidden from a doctrine perspective. The anger generated is one thing, those violent protests are another. That I can't even begin to understand.
I've dragged on a bit here but there is a clash of culture here that is not limited to East and West.
For all the questionable aspects of religion, the most potent attribute of it is that it does not fit into cultural upbringing - it is too restrictive, too prohibitative, too offensive and all for someone named God of whom many have no desire to believe in. Notice I did not say .."many have no reason to believe..". How many people here on GAF for example want to accept you need to marry a girl to sleep with her? The Abrahamic prophets preached a collection of needed ideals and morals which were dying from society, not alien to it, and so people were drawn to these calls. When society changes, you cannot expect people to embrace faith in God when you're preaching what they now deem to be immoral or dislikeable. Some religious groups realise this and call for wide and deep reforms to doctrines; reinterpret the text and when you can't, interpret it that it was only relevant to one particular time and not the present, and if not then ignore it because God loves you anyway. Some of these groups have strong cases in my personal opinion, whilst others seem to be more interested in fitting the current norm into doctrine at any cost.
There is this struggle within Christian, Muslim and Jewish denominations to find a role for their faiths in an ever changing reality. I remember reading an article about a year ago in where a group of Jewish Rabbi's were meeting to discuss the issue of homosexuality within scripture because people asked for it. A few Churches have taken the controversial leap in implementing reforms but the biggest one has not. Personally, call me a cynic, but I suspect some may be using the terrible sex scandal with the CC as a platform to underscore the rhetoric that God/Christianity/Catholicism must change or die away. It's a similar theme of two groups of people raised in completely different environments and subsequent different attitudes clashing. Let me play devils advocate here: whilst we here in the West are able to feel comfortable enough with ourselves to mock Christ in cartoons, Muslims in the East do not. There is a deep reverence there for things of this nature, not to mention depictions of religious characters being forbidden from a doctrine perspective. The anger generated is one thing, those violent protests are another. That I can't even begin to understand.
I've dragged on a bit here but there is a clash of culture here that is not limited to East and West.
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Hopefully, Westergaard's family will wise up and never leave him alone with their grandkids.
Not only is the man marked for death, but he will not hesitate to leave the kids alone at the first sign of trouble.
Not only is the man marked for death, but he will not hesitate to leave the kids alone at the first sign of trouble.
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I can't wait till the christians and jews and other religions start learning that reacting with extreme violence works in today's societies.
Owh great. The muslim organization who were screaming in outrage the loudest about the Jyllands Posten cartoons in Holland just won a courtcase against them concerning a cartoon about the Holocaust.
Talk about double standards :lol
For the record, I'm fine and dandy about them posting the cartoon, but for fuck's sake, make up your mind: either you think cartoons are not to hurt people, or you post intentionally hurtful cartoons. You cannot defend both ends of the spectrum!
Talk about double standards :lol
For the record, I'm fine and dandy about them posting the cartoon, but for fuck's sake, make up your mind: either you think cartoons are not to hurt people, or you post intentionally hurtful cartoons. You cannot defend both ends of the spectrum!
It's not the "narrow minded" people's fault entirely, because they're just being fed by crappy news outlets such as Fox News who paint the picture of Islam being bad. I mean, just because Obama may have Muslim links, he is all of a sudden a terrorist. That was my initial point, where news reporter posts the worst out of what was, for the most part, a peaceful rally. But that's life I guess, news outlets do this all the time no matter the situation.jaxword said:
Vocal minorities can never be stopped but there are many Islamic communities which outline what is right and what is wrong. A lot is being done by Muslims on a local level, but not enough on an international scale. Heck, I don't even know if that's possible. Would people be willing to listen? Would those Americans, who still think Obama is Satan because he is black change their views on Islam? Doubtful, because minorities cannot be stopped.
As for me, I don't like it when friends (Muslim or not) single out other religions because they treat Islam unfairly. They're basically doing what they want to be stopped, so I tell them that. So I guess that's my part. Kinda.
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