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[Oppo]

You mean we get to watch the actors age 7 years over the course of the game?
Anyone who understands the concept of their facial animation system shouldn't be surprised by this news. Each face is basically a streaming video mapped onto a streaming mesh.

Aggg you beat me. Came to say this. Their weird facial capture system is kind of a bigger-hammer approach.

Noticing a lot of multidisc games on 360 lately. Krazy Ken was right about the blu rayz.

 

[Feindflug]

Really, what's the reasoning behind that? Just make it so that the game can only be played with the first disc in the console, that way you can't install in on a friend's machine and give him the second disc to play.

That said, disc switching is not an issue for me at all (if it's implemented like in Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon and every other multi-disc release on the 360 except for SO4). I'm taking discs out whenever I'm done with a session so I'll be switching them all the time anyway, no matter which platform I choose.

Castlevania: LoS would've been the first game to do this but MS denied it - I remember a tweet from someone at Konami saying that they planned to do it but they couldn't do it due to MS not allowing that.

It's stupid and if R* won't be able to convince them to allow such a thing then nobody will.

 

[Data West]

I don't get why they can't do a game content install disc and a play disc like Forza did

 

[Prine]

But you wont have to change your CC details to play it.

 

[Big-ass Ramp]

oh wow. This actually makes me more excited for LA Noire. This game is going to be huge.

 

[derFeef]

I don't get why they can't do a game content install disc and a play disc like Forza did

Not everyone has a harddrive.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Wait a minute, isn't it confirmed that you can replay cases to get better ratings in a similar fashion to how you could replay missions in RDR, and the GTA Episodes? That will be pretty annoying if you want to go back post-endgame to a mission that was on Disc 1 wouldn't it?

Sounds like a potential issue, yeah. I'd imagine each case is a lot more substantial than a typical RDR mission, but still..

 

[D4Danger]

I don't get why they can't do a game content install disc and a play disc like Forza did

that's what I was getting at.

You should be able to install all 3 discs and then uses disc 1 to boot from or something.

it should be there as an option for those who have a hdd anyway

 

[TheOddOne]

Not everyone has a harddrive.

Ehh, why not just give the option to do it like Forza?

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Castlevania: LoS would've been the first game to do this but MS denied it - I remember a tweet from someone at Konami saying that they planned to do it but they couldn't do it due to MS not allowing that.

It's stupid and if R* won't be able to convince them to allow such a thing then nobody will.

But there's no technical reason for them not to do it, right? At least I can't think of any. So if that really becomes a problem in a couple of years, I don't see why they wouldn't allow it.

 

[Data West]

Not everyone has a harddrive.

Not everyone has a dvd drive either. Should we start releasing every movie on VHS as well?

 

[Mithos]

Uncompressed PCM on the PS3 and 640kbps DD on the 360 would be sweet!

Do we really need uncompressed audio, I mean Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master aint bad quality are they?

 

[Littleberu]

Not everyone has a dvd drive either. Should we start releasing every movie on VHS as well?

That makes no sense.

 

[slider]

I have the feeling it'll be good/great on both systems. Clearly there's a lot of content on both systems.

But my Magic 8 Ball says all signs point to a PS3 purchase. I'm lazy as fuck and on the rare occasions I sit down to game I only get up for toilet breaks or, dammit, dog walking (the impatient little bastard leaves me no choice).

 

[SolidSnakex]

Sounds like a potential issue, yeah. I'd imagine each case is a lot more substantial than a typical RDR mission, but still..

Cases in LAN are supposed to last between 45 minutes to an hour and a half.

 

[derFeef]

Ehh, why not just give the option to do it like Forza?

I don't get the difference? I bet you can install all 3 discs via the 360 menu.

Not everyone has a dvd drive either. Should we start releasing every movie on VHS as well?

Wait, there are 360s without DVD drives? This is getting ridiculous.

 

[FrankT]

Not everyone has a harddrive.

That wouldn't matter as it be optional. Still would be able to stream each disc at once if one wanted to play as such. The only reason it didn't happen with Castlevania was MS's disc security.

 

[sixteen-bit]

That's interesting. Even with the new 10.5 GB media?

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

I don't get the difference? I bet you can install all 3 discs via the 360 menu.

But you still have to switch them. In Forza you don't, extra content is on the hard drive and you only play with one disc.

Wait, there are 360s without DVD drives? This is getting ridiculous.

Some people buy consoles with broken DVD drives to use them as XBLA machines.

 

[MrDanger88]

Jesus Christ this better not be true. I install all my games and will need to wipe a considerable amount off the HDD.

 

[StealthGoblin]

Cases in LAN are supposed to last between 45 minutes to an hour and a half.

Considering that, and that we'll be having to study facial expressions or 'tells' during an interrogation, as well as interviewing witnesses etc, an exclusive case does seem like a rather substantial piece of exclusive content.

 

[D4Danger]

That's interesting. Even with the new 10.5 GB media?

DVDs don't hold that much information.

 

[LiK]

That's interesting. Even with the new 10.5 GB media?

My guess is this is gonna come out before MS puts out the new media. Still in beta right?

 

[derFeef]

But you still have to switch them. In Forza you don't, extra content is on the hard drive and you only play with one disc.

Well, has it been confirmed that this does not work that way?

Some people buy consoles with broken DVD drives to use them as XBLA machines.

Then why would they buy LA Noire....

 

[The Elite]

That's interesting. Even with the new 10.5 GB media?

I think the new format of the discs gave them only an extra gig to work with. They don't have 10.5GB.

Well, has it been confirmed that this does not work that way?

We're just speculating as to how they are going to handle this right now.

 

[low-G]

That's interesting. Even with the new 10.5 GB media?

Microsoft has also learned how to store 2GB of data in 1GB of RAM!

 

[Lionheart1337]

Consoles.

 

[surly]

Ehh, why not just give the option to do it like Forza?

The content on disc 2 of Forza is essentially DLC packs. That's why that game is an exception to the rule.

I posted in the suggestions area of Xbox.com ages ago asking why they couldn't let people install all of the discs to the hard drive, then use disc 1 as a master/boot disc, but the only replies I got were from two people saying "swapping a disc only takes a minute" - which is true and it's fine in linear games where you go disc 1, disc 2, disc 3, game complete, but if you have to swap discs back and forth when you want to travel to different areas in the game, then the system needs to be updated to fix that. I can't see any reason - from a security standpoint - why they can't do that.

 

[mjc]

Very interesting....Although 2 discs would make more sense unless they really packed in the content.

 

[TheOddOne]

So with Dead Space 2, Forza 3, RAGE, the upcoming FFXIII-2 (Incredibly likely), LA Noire etc, we aren't seeing more games go multi-disc? Those are all games built with the 360 in mind. I really am expecting MGS: Rising, Skyrim and a few more to have multiple discs for the 360 version.

Sure, its not the norm yet, but it will become the norm for the 360 in the next few years.

Your argument doesn't hold much weight though. This is what you said in your post:

At the moment, developers are factoring in the 360 into their game design in terms of compression and how much they can cram into a disc.

You think if they are factoring 360 in their game design, then why would they make sure its multi-disk? If they where factoring the 360 in their game design, then it would all fit on one disk.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Well, has it been confirmed that this does not work that way?

No, but that would mean that Microsoft has changed their policy. Which is not unheard of, mind you, they do it all the time, but for now we can only presume that disc switching is required.

Then why would they buy LA Noire....

They like shiny things?

 

[TheOddOne]

I don't get the difference? I bet you can install all 3 discs via the 360 menu.

You are not forced to install the rest of the disk though, but you can't acces that content though.

 

[Nuborn]

The good idea might be that it installs the open world, but the disc changes are for the missions.

Game could work like this based on the "Rising through the ranks" video a while back:

Disc 1

• Streets
• Traffic

Disc 2

• Homicide
• Vice

Disc 3

• Arson
• Finale

Or maybe it will be spread out randomly across the 3 discs

 

[OldJadedGamer]

How many multidisc games are there out there total now? Since we are approaching 6 years into this gen, I wonder what the number is compared to the total library.

These games have always been a toss up for me. You either take time with the mandatory install on PS3 or take the time to switch discs. It's a wash on time wasted.

I would get it on PS3 though cause I'm lazy and as a previous/current Laserdisc owner, I'm not a fan of getting off my fat ass to flip the disc.

 

[Priestfact]

I just hope the packaging isn't fucked like Lost Odyssey. That was some real bullshit pulled by Microsoft there.

 

[Diablos]

I remember when changing discs used to be cool.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

How many multidisc games are there out there total now? Since we are approaching 6 years into this gen, I wonder what the number is compared to the total library.

I don't think there's more than a dozen. Not counting special editions with extra content, of course.

 

[derFeef]

Maybe the two extra disks are install disks as well, who knows. I guess we wait for official word instead of jumping the gun.

 

[LiK]

I just hope the packaging isn't fucked like Lost Odyssey. That was some real bullshit pulled by Microsoft there.

Yea, the Asian version box and packaging of LO was perfect.

 

[Data West]

That makes no sense.

How doesn't it? Not everyone has something that plays dvds, not even referring to 360s, so they should movie companies cater to that small demo? Reach already came out and basically said 'get a hard drive or don't play it'

 

[The Elite]

Maybe the two extra disks are install disks as well, who knows. I guess we wait for official word instead of jumping the gun.

Rampant speculation is the lifeblood of the Internet.

 

[bathala]

disc is going to be mission based (scenarios, audio, and cutscenes)
and since its a rockstar sandbox game I doubt u'll be able to replay these missions so no need to put that disc back again

 

[Net_Wrecker]

disc is going to be mission based (scenarios, audio, and cutscenes)
and since its a rockstar sandbox game I doubt u'll be able to replay these missions so no need to put that disc back again

Uhhh, you've been able to replay missions since the GTA episodes.

 

[SolsticeZero]

Yea, the Asian version box and packaging of LO was perfect.

What? You didn't like the 3 discs stacked on top of each other and the 4th in a paper sleeve? Pssshhhh..... What's wrong with you???

/sarcasm

On that note, I hated that packaging so god damn much.

 

[Linkified]

The content on disc 2 of Forza is essentially DLC packs. That's why that game is an exception to the rule.

I posted in the suggestions area of Xbox.com ages ago asking why they couldn't let people install all of the discs to the hard drive, then use disc 1 as a master/boot disc, but the only replies I got were from two people saying "swapping a disc only takes a minute" - which is true and it's fine in linear games where you go disc 1, disc 2, disc 3, game complete, but if you have to swap discs back and forth when you want to travel to different areas in the game, then the system needs to be updated to fix that. I can't see any reason - from a security standpoint - why they can't do that.

You could effectivly put important missions on the first disk and have a menu ala phoenix Wright and if you care about the open world you need to install one disk, and bonus missions on the third disk.

 

[StealthGoblin]

You think if they are factoring 360 in their game design, then why would they make sure its multi-disk? If they where factoring the 360 in their game design, then it would all fit on one disk.

I said that they had factored the 360 into their game design, of course they have. If you watched a recent Gametrailers Bonus Round with Jade Raymond, Mike Capps and and John Hight), Jade and Mike actually made audible noises of surprise when John Hight said that his biggest concern with GOW III was fitting it all on one dual sided Blu-Ray. I think one of them actually said 'you try working on 360' or words to that effect. They are trying to cram everything onto as few discs as possible.

Now, naturally over time games were going to get more ambitious and require more space. Take a look at RAGE for instance, Carmack is one ambitious genius motherfucker and set out to make the best game possible (mexatextures etc). Even he highlighted his concerns about the lack of disc space for the 360.

For LA NOIRE of course, it was a Sony funded project at the beginning and so they budgeted resources to take full advantage of Blu-Ray. Given the ambition of this game, it was never likely to ever fit on one DVD.

My personal opinion is that going forward, with the PS3 and Wii 2 (based on a rumour of its disc capactity), multi platform games will take more advantage of the bigger space, resulting in more and more games being multi disc. If 2/3 consoles can provide more capacity, they'll focus more on those consoles. As it stands, the two HD consoles are close in sales and it makes sense to budget resources and time to get the game to fit on one DVD. Going forward, that will be less of a priority as games get more ambitious, larger in scope etc.

This isn't anything new. Its common sense.

 

[Noisepurge]

How doesn't it? Not everyone has something that plays dvds, not even referring to 360s, so they should movie companies cater to that small demo? Reach already came out and basically said 'get a hard drive or don't play it'

no but you see if you have a DVD Player, it has to be able to play ALL DVD's. If you get a 360, it has to be able to play ALL Xbox 360 games regardless of upgraded parts.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

I remember when changing discs used to be cool.

Indeed.

 

[LiK]

Disc changes that were done well were the ones that was done during a cliffhanger. Works well that way.

 

[bathala]

Uhhh, you've been able to replay missions since the GTA episodes.

huh might have missed it on RDR