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Laidlaw: Dragon Age IIs weaknesses must be improved
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VisanidethDM
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Fredescu said:
Not this shit again. Is that all you can come up with?
First, I don't like to give superficial judgements. A game like Origins is promoted (and defended) also on the base of the "flexible" story and the importance of choice and consequence. Sure, picking the regent in Orzammar led to a disappointing conclusion, but maybe picking the King's son altered the way the game played. I had to try (of course it didn't, and the game kept being shit).
Now, I saved both the elves and the werewolves with my mage. But what if I go genocide? That stuff is heavy, surely worth checking out (of course all that changes is a summon spell in the epilogue).
And so on. I played the game once, thought it was crap, discussed with friends and other genre fans, got told "you're doing it wrong, yes it's shit but it's a compromise because of all the CHOICE", I played again, picked different paths and choices, noticed it not always was still shit, it was exactly the same shit with a sprinkle of lemon on top, whined about it with my GF, got told "I need to see this", decided to get a used copy for 10 dollars because I couldn't be bothered doing it on PC, got her to tell me "this crap stinks" after a couple hours, and so I got an unfinished save with a warrior (I rushed to the ending and need to clear the fortress).
ThoseDeafMutes
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hateradio said:
I think the V-tech killings weren't as bad as the Holocaust. Does that mean I approve of the V-tech killings?
It's true though, right? I didn't like DA2, so I didn't finish it. I play games for enjoyment, not to ensure my judgements are accurate. I struggle to understand how someone could hate a game as much as you claim to, and still play it over and over. I guess if anything I'm jealous that you have enough free time for multiple playthroughs even of games that are among the worst ever made. It doesn't bother me that your opinion is different to mine, though I do find the fervour with which you pursue your negative opinions amusing. I find positive impressions of things much more interesting, so I do hope to read some fervently positive posts from you about some other games some day in the future.VisanidethDM said:
VisanidethDM
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Fredescu said:
Well, I got a lot of emotional investment in RPGs. I've been playing D&D 20 years, and a dozen other systems too. I tend to play every RPG released. It's my favourite videogame genre. I don't really have the time, but I tend to try and carve it because I just love the genre so much. I don't sleep much, and I tend to like to play game to relieve stress during burst of work. I may word 12 hours one day, and then spend 4 hours playing a game, and sleep 3 hours or so.
As I said before, I love party based RPGs. They're extinct. I wanted to like DA:O. And when it became clear how bad it was, it sort of became a masochistic thing.
On something you may be right: maybe if I played it less, I would hate it less.
Wolves Evolve
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Hey hey lets tone down the language. We can all agree that both Dragon Age games are incredibly mediocre compared to what could have been done with fantasy RPGs this generation.
NotebookJ2
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Never played Dragon Age or its sequel but...
Actually, I can understand why someone would play through a game they hate, seeing how I've done something similar myself. I've put in nearly 300 hours into one game that I've found myself really disappointed in over the years for a multitude of reasons--to give another game a chance, to see what it was that made the game so disappointing to me in the first place, and so on. Mostly though, it's usually the case of the game having plenty of good ideas, but the developers failing to make use of them in a competent manner.
I guess it's mostly dependent on how much you care about the game itself. I could find myself doing this for certain games, but not for others.
There has been one case where I actually hated a game at first but grew to love it on multiple playthroughs.
Fredescu said:
Actually, I can understand why someone would play through a game they hate, seeing how I've done something similar myself. I've put in nearly 300 hours into one game that I've found myself really disappointed in over the years for a multitude of reasons--to give another game a chance, to see what it was that made the game so disappointing to me in the first place, and so on. Mostly though, it's usually the case of the game having plenty of good ideas, but the developers failing to make use of them in a competent manner.
I guess it's mostly dependent on how much you care about the game itself. I could find myself doing this for certain games, but not for others.
There has been one case where I actually hated a game at first but grew to love it on multiple playthroughs.
Wolves Evolve said:
Nah. I enjoyed the hell out of Dragon Age: Origins. Bought it twice (once for the PC, and again for the 360). Dragon Age 2 was okay, but not really what I wanted and though I finished it, I doubt I'll go back. While I can still play DA:O with no problems.
That said, but no offense VisanidethDM, but every time I read your posts it's like you're on some kind of crusade to destroy people's image of DA:O. Like there can be no real way people can like that game or defend it because it's total crap. That may be your opinion on the matter, and that's fine. However, I don't know why you spend so much time in these Dragon Age threads arguing the merits of Dragon Age Origins when people seem to like that game more than Dragon Age 2. Both games have faults. That's just how it is, but the overall package and tone of the game can simply resonate better with players. For better or worse. Trying to convince them that this isn't the case is futile and only leads to frustrating arguments where no one can really win.
Anyway, that's my opinion.
TigerUppercut
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NotebookJ2 said:
Was that game Oblivion?
NotebookJ2
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TigerUppercut said:
Actually... I have yet to play any WRPGs, specifically anything from Bioware. I should fix that in the near future.
TigerUppercut
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NotebookJ2 said:
Now I gotta know. If not a Bethesda game what did you dump 300 hours into?
One of the Disgaea games?
NotebookJ2
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It's actually something a lot less exciting than that--Tales of the Abyss. In terms of execution, it's nothing different from what you would find in any other JRPG but it did have some interesting ideas, but that's really a completely different topic altogether in that regard.
The main point is that people replay games they hate for numerous reasons.
The main point is that people replay games they hate for numerous reasons.
Sir Garbageman
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Vamphuntr said:
The have to take a look over at CD Projekt and the Witcher 2, not SE. An adult narrative with morally gray choices that actually matter, not this paragon / snarky / asshole bullshit that all lead down the same road no matter which you choose.
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VisanidethDM said:
I think I finally figured it out. Being such an elite-tier RPG enthusiast, you are extremely jaded at this point and simply can't accept any RPG system that isn't close to perfect. All of the fantasy clichés bother you more than most, because you've seen them used thousands more times than most people.
WanderingWind
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DennisK4 said:
...yeah, I saw this. I sure did, but since the thread died, I'll wait until Laidlaw opens his mouth again.