Pioneer's Blu Ray recorder pc drive
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=172
$995, single layer 25gb
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=172
$995, single layer 25gb
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BenjaminBirdie
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monkeymagic said:
Funny, I was going to say all this focus on the benefits of Blue-Ray damage control was coming from Sony fans.
Seriously, the Console Wars have no place in this thread. This is about High End Tech, not gaming. I could go on and on about how it's XBL that makes the 360 such a rewarding and valuable experience but that's just rot. This is about the TV and Video Player that your rich friend's dad is going to get and that he'll lord over you until you graduate and go to a small Liberal Arts school in New England and take up Stick Juggling.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
dorio said:
The slides are from the PS3 intro at E3, May 2005....
Deg said:
Blanks.
On pricing, it doesn't look like we'll be getting details at CES, but soon:
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,124194,00.asp
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
A blank Panasonic 50GB recordable BD-RE was introduced in Japan last year for ~50 USD...perhaps this is what you are thinking of??
Of course, Blu-ray ROM will be cheaper than this....
Of course, Blu-ray ROM will be cheaper than this....
i hope there'll be some way to hear the lossless audio on a standard 5.1 receiver...i expect a lot of those audio tracks to be 7.1, but maybe some players will be able to mix them down to 5.1 through the discrete outputs. well, it's not as if dts or dd sound bad anyway.
golem said:
I thought the more interesting part of that article was that their first player won't support HD resolution over analog yet - with perhaps the suggestion that later, "consumer-level" models might. Seems to suggest further that HD over digital-outs may not be a requirement for movie playback (although I guess it could still be a requirement for that, but not your own blu-ray recorded content for example).
dorio said:
Well, it doesn't confirm any movie playback whatsoever if you want to get picky like that !
The hardware is capable of it, so unless Sony goes out of their way to limit it, there's no reason why it won't.
http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/04/live-from-ces-panasonic-press-conference/
Panasonic press conference updates. 102" plasma (again) and "HD-PLC Adapter (High Definition Power Line Communication) lets you transfer video through the power lines in your house. BL-C1 camera is designed for use with it as a security cam around the home." WTF
Philips also announced their Blu Ray products. Including consumer level products for 2nd half of this year.
Panasonic press conference updates. 102" plasma (again) and "HD-PLC Adapter (High Definition Power Line Communication) lets you transfer video through the power lines in your house. BL-C1 camera is designed for use with it as a security cam around the home." WTF
Philips also announced their Blu Ray products. Including consumer level products for 2nd half of this year.
krypt0nian
Banned
Joe said:
Not sure about a live feed, but www.majornelson.com will have a podcast of it up about an hour afterwards.
Plus he just posted a brand new pre-CES Peter Moore interview at his site.
Sorry, I'm not trying to be nitpicky. I'm just trying to figure out what enticement they will give consumers to buy an expensive standalone player with less features and if limiting ps3 playback to 720p will be one of them.gofreak said:Well, it doesn't confirm any movie playback whatsoever if you want to get picky like that !
krypt0nian
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DopeyFish said:
saweet! Thanks!
dorio said:
There is a (small) market out there that simply does not care about the extra functionality PS3 will offer as a games machine, but simply the extra functionality offered for movies by a player like the Pioneer etc. It's still like asking how someone can ask for x amount for one product in a particular line and ask for much less for another that fundamentally does the same thing, but it happens all the time. There's also the fact that for a (short) time, these will be the only players available. These prices are the MSRPs for launch, not necessarily for a post-PS3 world (although to be honest i expect their prices will remain largely unchanged, but will be joined by other cheaper models). The ultra high end will eat them up without thinking too much about the price.
Here's a pic of the 1080p Pioneer Elite plasma.
http://ces.engadget.com/2006/01/04/pioneer-50-inch-1080p-plasma-screen-due-in-june/
Panasonic have a cheaper 50" 1080p plasma i think.
http://ces.engadget.com/2006/01/04/pioneer-50-inch-1080p-plasma-screen-due-in-june/
Panasonic have a cheaper 50" 1080p plasma i think.
But the ps3 is not just offering equivalent functionality it's offering much better functionality ie. 1080p vs. 1080i then the $1000 players. We'll see if consumers are that snobbish about having a standalone player to buy a device with less features at twice the price.gofreak said:
Philips player:
http://ces.engadget.com/2006/01/04/philips-keynote-address-the-liveblog/
No more details yet..
Resolution aside, I don't know if the functionality is equal or better..(simply don't know enough about the Samsung or all the movie functionality in PS3).
Again, if what you think will happen, happens, it simply means the prices will come down faster. But there will always be a high end, regardless, that's my point. There'll always be $1000+ players (just as there are still $1000+ dvd players). Samsung are out to make a buck in that category because they know lots of the first adopters won't mind paying for that (and note that Samsung is aiming to be the first player in the US). Ditto for the others, they'll all want to cream some profits off that segment with more expensive drives.
http://ces.engadget.com/2006/01/04/philips-keynote-address-the-liveblog/
No more details yet..
dorio said:
Resolution aside, I don't know if the functionality is equal or better..(simply don't know enough about the Samsung or all the movie functionality in PS3).
Again, if what you think will happen, happens, it simply means the prices will come down faster. But there will always be a high end, regardless, that's my point. There'll always be $1000+ players (just as there are still $1000+ dvd players). Samsung are out to make a buck in that category because they know lots of the first adopters won't mind paying for that (and note that Samsung is aiming to be the first player in the US). Ditto for the others, they'll all want to cream some profits off that segment with more expensive drives.
krypt0nian
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golem said:
Yup, he mentioned some surprises too. Most likely marketplace HD content related. IPTV?
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
http://www3.toshiba.co.jp/ddc/eng/sed/index.htm
There are 5 pages there:
One "what is SED" page
Three "Image power of SED" pages
One "the future of SED" page
There are 5 pages there:
One "what is SED" page
Three "Image power of SED" pages
One "the future of SED" page
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Deg said:Here's a pic of the 1080p Pioneer Elite plasma.
http://ces.engadget.com/2006/01/04/pioneer-50-inch-1080p-plasma-screen-due-in-june/
Panasonic have a cheaper 50" 1080p plasma i think.
Shit, the 65-inch Panny TH-65PX500 1080p plasma is 9 grand....
Panasonic has announced pricing for their writable/rewritable Blu-ray discs, to be introduced this Spring:
Model Number Specification SRP*
LM-BE50DE Rewritable, 50GB, Single-Sided, Dual Layer $59.99
LM-BE25DE Rewritable, 25GB, Single-Sided, Single Layer $24.99
LM-BR50DE Write once, 50GB, Single-Sided, Dual Layer $42.99
LM-BR25DE Write once, 25GB, Single-Sided, Single Layer $17.99
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-04-2006/0004242836&EDATE=
About $1 a gigabyte, then.
Model Number Specification SRP*
LM-BE50DE Rewritable, 50GB, Single-Sided, Dual Layer $59.99
LM-BE25DE Rewritable, 25GB, Single-Sided, Single Layer $24.99
LM-BR50DE Write once, 50GB, Single-Sided, Dual Layer $42.99
LM-BR25DE Write once, 25GB, Single-Sided, Single Layer $17.99
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-04-2006/0004242836&EDATE=
About $1 a gigabyte, then.
Also, further to my comments earlier about the Pioneer drives and HD over analog..
"According to Pioneer and Philips, the competing Blu-ray players may still enable high-def output via analog outputs"
http://cnet.com.au/hometheatre/dvd/0,39025983,40059347,00.htm
Still seems to be a little up in the air..
"According to Pioneer and Philips, the competing Blu-ray players may still enable high-def output via analog outputs"
http://cnet.com.au/hometheatre/dvd/0,39025983,40059347,00.htm
Still seems to be a little up in the air..
MightyHedgehog
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I'm wondering now... I think it's entirely realistic that Sony will not have the PS3 ship with BD-ROM playback out of the box...and, instead, sell you an optional (and very expensive) dongle for that usage, much like the XBOX with the DVD remote.
BlueTsunami
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MightyHedgehog said:
Why would Sony do that?
SolidSnakex
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BlueTsunami said:
It's brilliant marketing dont you think? Hype up the feature and right before launch..Just kidding ya, you've gotta buy this other thing if you want playback.
BlueTsunami
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SolidSnakex said:
Ahhh, I see the logic in that. I think it would be a nice kick in the balls though. The PS3 better allow Blu Ray playback with the regular controller.
SolidSnakex
Member
BlueTsunami said:
I was being sarcastic, there's no logic to that other than pissing people off.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Cost. PS3 is already a hell of an expensive piece of hardware as it is. I understand uncutting dedicated players by a margin, but I find it highly unrealistic to believe you'll be able to play BD-ROM movies on a $399 or less console coming out close to the same time as dedicated players starting at around 1k. Unless there's a significant difference in capabilities, anyway...BlueTsunami said:
BlueTsunami
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SolidSnakex said:
My sarcasm meter is off today
;_;
But yeah, thats why I was initially surprised at Hedgehogs comment
MightyHedgehog
Member
TTP said:
Except that DVD players had been around for almost four years prior to the PS2 launch. And there were some out on the market that cost as little as $400 at the time of PS2's release. I'm not sure about the whole dongle idea, but it seems very realistic to me. That difference in cost and the fact that we'll supposedly see PS3 debut close to the time of those ~1k priced players gives me that idea.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
dorio said:
Since certain overall details of PS3 are vague, some of the questions you are asking cant be answered yet........if PS3 dosesn't support 1080p BRD movies, then it would be because SCEI is going out of their way to disable that functionality because RSX can output 1080p X2 via HDMI...
Also, many audio/video early adopters wouldn't be caught DEAD with a *videogame console* as their main player.....this trend was true of CD and DVD powered consoles vs. stand alone CD and DVD players when they were introduced and it will most likely continue true when BRD and HD-DVD are superceded by some other delivery system in the future.....many early adopters just perfer high end products period....not to mention owning high-gloss piano black Pioneer Elite products just makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside....trust me, I know
It seems to me this concept of consumer thinking escapes you......this is no crime and being you post on a videogame forum, it is not surprising either.....
To drive the point home, I just took delivery of a 2006 Corvette Z06($73K)....this is a car that offers ~90% the performance of a Porsche Carrera GT(about 1/2 a million$), but if I could afford a CGT, I would not give the Z a second glance, BeeLee DAT!
*DISCLAIMER*
The above post is based on the assumption you are *not* asking loaded/flamebait questions to stir up shit in this thread
