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Last Week Tonight with John Oliver - President-Elect Trump

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As much as I like John Oliver... I am slowly coming to realize these hyper-partisan shows are a big part of what builds echo chambers. I think shouting inside the soundproof bubbles in righteous fury is not what's needed right now.

Also, fuck 2016.
AFAIK John Oliver had no illusions about the voting strength of the other side. In his Drumpf episode he highlighted the power of Trump brand among the populace instead of dismissing it.

This echo chamber is only dangerous if it keeps us misinformed.
 
isn't this the fella who begged trump to run for president and said he's sign a cheque for him?

nice one mate.
 
AFAIK John Oliver had no illusions about the voting strength of the other side. In his Drumpf episode he highlighted the power of Trump brand among the populace instead of dismissing it.

This echo chamber is only dangerous if it keeps us misinformed.

IMO, It's dangerous regardless of how factual or correct it is. The less you interact with the other side, the less you even attempt to understand them.
I don't know how to fix it, I just know that this video was not as enjoyable to me as the show was at the beginning. I mean, at this point John Oliver is basically a liberal safe-place where you can get numbers to back up what you already know to be true regardless.
 
IMO, It's dangerous regardless of how factual or correct it is. The less you interact with the other side, the less you even attempt to understand them.
I don't know how to fix it, I just know that this video was not as enjoyable to me as the show was at the beginning. I mean, at this point John Oliver is basically a liberal safe-place where you can get numbers to back up what you already know to be true regardless.

always enjoyed dan carlin's take on things. i disagree with him as often as i agree which means i feel like i'm not wasting my time just hearing my own thoughts relayed back to me.

bloke put out this a few days ago: http://www.dancarlin.com/common-sense-home-landing-page/
 
IMO, It's dangerous regardless of how factual or correct it is. The less you interact with the other side, the less you even attempt to understand them. I don't know how to fix it, I just know that this video was not as enjoyable to me as the show was at the beginning. I mean, at this point John Oliver is basically a liberal safe-place where you can get numbers to back up what you already know to be true regardless.
If by "understand" meaning trying to know what motivates them, I think LWT already does that. But if you mean encouraging outreach with hopes of making them see things differently or making a bridge, ehh... I don't know what you are expecting.
 
IMO, It's dangerous regardless of how factual or correct it is. The less you interact with the other side, the less you even attempt to understand them.
I don't know how to fix it, I just know that this video was not as enjoyable to me as the show was at the beginning. I mean, at this point John Oliver is basically a liberal safe-place where you can get numbers to back up what you already know to be true regardless.

You're conflating "understand" with "forgive." It's not hard to figure out what motivates people as ultimately everyone's motivations are the same. The difference is in what you'll do to get what you want, or who you blame when you don't.
 
What's really annoyed me over the years is Ive realised how shitty of a person Goku is

"Thanks Goku for sacrificing yourself to stop Cell. We are going to wish you back now so you can be with your family"

Goku: "Nahh I'll just stay here and train. But make sure to bring me back for the next tournament. Kbye "

At least Abridged has fun with how shitty he is
Seriously.
 
LOL. This dude totally nails it.

I like Oliver, and I appreciate his attempts at disseminating complex issues in an easy to digest manner, but I'm really not a fan of his comedic style. It's so formulaic (though more importantly, unfunny) and he laughs way too much at his own jokes.

Yeah, I get the feeling he does the comedic analogies more as an obligation and would rather be just lecturing. Compare it to how Jon Stewart would relish on letting a joke breathe and even add some other improvised funny bits before the laughter fully dies down.

I miss Jon Stewart ;_;
 
Yeah, I get the feeling he does the comedic analogies more as an obligation and would rather be just lecturing. Compare it to how Jon Stewart would relish on letting a joke breathe and even add some other improvised funny bits before the laughter fully dies down.

I miss Jon Stewart ;_;
It's basically an investment banker doing comedy. Not bad for what it is.
 
Last Week Tonight is journalism mixed with comedy, Jon Stewart/The Daily Show was comedy mixed with journalism/punditry. Two very different things.
 
That "fuck 2016" segment was interesting. To me it came off like the majority of people on the street care a bit too much about things that don't really matter and care too little about things that actually do matter. Aside from the first few people in the clips it feels like it kind of shits on sentiment of the rest of the show that preceded it.
 
This last episode is John Oliver's call to arms for the decent half of America.

Don't run away, stay and fight (non-violently), and most importantly don't normalize it.

This isn't fucking normal America!

...And stop getting your news from Facebook!

What last week tonight videos now are geolocked? Man this is wrong

It has always been, you guys just weren't in the affected region like UK.
 
I know. It's fucking sad and pathetic. Anyone on this board who is attempting to normalize him, his peers and his supporters are directly culpable for the actions of the administration and his cretinous followers.

These people are sad and pathetic human beings.
This does not help. Discussion and persuasion is needed more than ever. Anger and name calling shuts down all discourse and will solidify your opponent's views.

(No, I did not vote for Trump)
 
Few people benefit from a Trump presidency more than John Oliver, and any other entertainer who's primary audience forgets that every 8 years chance are the other party gets to run things for a few terms. I'm sure the guy was over the moon Trump won. 2017 will be great for John Oliver. Trump is going to make observational late night satire great again.
 
What an amazing finale. So cathartic. I'm gonna sub to NYT and WP and also donate to Planned Parenthood.
 
Few people benefit from a Trump presidency more than John Oliver, and any other entertainer who's primary audience forgets that every 8 years chance are the other party gets to run things for a few terms. I'm sure the guy was over the moon Trump won. 2017 will be great for John Oliver. Trump is going to make observational late night satire great again.

Or, he's a decent human being who knows that a Trump Presidency could potentially screw over the lives of millions of Americans and take no joy in this.

The United States have plenty of other problems that he can easily talk about without needing 4 more years of Trump.
 
I made the mistake of looking at the reddit comments of this video, holy shit it's all pissed off Trump supporters. I knew John wasn't well liked by that crowd but oh jeez.
 
I just really hope people take it to heart not to normalize Donald trump or his pieces of shit breaking off from his bigger shit form.

That is a road to ruin, but I will continue to have hope that the individual is better than that and can see that this isn't normal and should not be accepted as normal.

And any of his supporters are not normal.
I mean, what is normal? You can make the argument that bigotry and lack of empathy are definitely the norm for our country. By some definition, it's already normalized.

I think that's why (some) black Americans are having an easier time accepting Trump's ascent to power. They've known all this. It's us white Daily Show watchers* that have written off racists and evil Republicans as some minority that's dying off.

We need to know that half our country is either bigoted or ok with some level of bigotry. That's "the new normal," although it's been around forever.

Having said that, I agree with the sentiment that we should push to make things better. We often have and we will keep doing so.

* I just stumbled across this thread I made five years ago.

I think Jon Stewart, et al. are capable of brilliant satire, parody, and commentary. But I frequently wonder what all his jokes add up to. When he points out the hypocrisy, lies, deceit, and downright evil exhibited by politicians, corporations, and news outlets, nothing gets done about it except that we get some laughs out of it. Over the long run, I think this gets us conditioned to "living with it," kind of like you would with a disease. When something obnoxious is done by a public servant, etc., we're used to cynically thinking "Of course... why would they actually be looking out for us? This is hilarious, though!" And we might have another laugh about it.

But it doesn't get us any closer to addressing the problems presented. It might be making us more complacent.

By the way, I'm not putting 30 Rock in the same category as Stewart/Colbert, but didn't have enough room in the title to distinguish. However 30 Rock might be having a similar negative effect, but even worse, because it makes the big corporation-slash-government amalgam an almost "cuddly" buddy that's just there in your life. Their constant references to real-life situations involving the US gov't and NBC/Universal (and now Comcast) are presented like an old, racist grandfather: we know he's wrong, but *roll eyes* what are ya gonna do about it? Again, it just coaxes us (inadvertently or otherwise [I have misgivings about Lorne Michaels]) into living with the problematic situation.

I'm not blaming Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert. I believe they genuinely are trying to inspire change for the better, and if they weren't around, someone else would be in their place (probably less cleverly, but nonetheless). This is more about our perception of the messages they're delivering.

Do you get the same sense when you see right-wind/corporatism satire in the media? What can be done about it? If it's as simple as "If you have a problem with the way the country is run, call your local congressperson" how do we inspire more people to do that?

I had some serious misgivings about the popularity of Jon Stewart and other political satire, and I was kind of right and kind of wrong. I still think it was dangerous and continues to be dangerous, as shown by our surprise at Trump's popularity. But the reason is slightly different from what I predicted: we used satire and mockery to compartmentalize our ideological opponents as something safe and remote. We blinded ourselves to how big a part of our country they are. The end result was the same: complacency.
 
This does not help. Discussion and persuasion is needed more than ever. Anger and name calling shuts down all discourse and will solidify your opponent's views.

(No, I did not vote for Drumpf)

Nah, I know what his voters "problems" are. Economy, family, blah blah blah. This is every modern americans problem. No matter where you live you're worred about not having enough money to feed your kids or having proper infrastructure to receive help or get a job. They still voted for a racist, misogynist and homophobic shit bag and now that shit bag is bringing along his shit bag and we have a bunch of shit bags in power.

If his voters, who are not racists, misogynists or homophobes really gave a fuck about their issues or the people some claim they know and would be affected directly by this presidency they would have made a reasonable decision.

Trump is not a reasonable decision. They made an irresponsible and bone headed decision and they will be rightfully ridiculed for it. It's not my job to mend fences, it's whoever political figurehead that will take the face of the DNC's job to make the case. Voters who voted for Trump have made it quite clear they cannot be trusted. They don't give a fuck about the big picture, they don't care about their neighbor and they don't care about america as a whole. They made their choice very clear.
 
We need to know that half our country is either bigoted or ok with some level of bigotry. That's "the new normal," although it's been around forever.

Indeed. The "new normal" is the really the usual "normal" if we you just pay attention to the History of Human Race.

Having nice things is the unusual / not normal. That's why we have history civil rights... The beginning we didn't have civil rights.... decades and centuries of long and painful fights to get them.
 
AFAIK John Oliver had no illusions about the voting strength of the other side. In his Drumpf episode he highlighted the power of Trump brand among the populace instead of dismissing it.

This echo chamber is only dangerous if it keeps us misinformed.

The Drumpf campaign was incredibly stupid and only helped to normalize trump
 
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