I thought Colbert made a great point. Trump has demonstrated that he can shit all over other Republicans and that they'll still support him, and that his base will never leave him, and we know that more than two-thirds of Republican voters support some kind of reform on gun control. Trump could act unilaterally on gun control, push for (for instance) a background check at gun shows, and not lose any political capital. So yes, Trump is a coward when he refuses to act.
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Late Night hosts about mass shootings, is it time yet to talk about guns?
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I thought Colbert made a great point. Trump has demonstrated that he can shit all over other Republicans and that they'll still support him, and that his base will never leave him, and we know that more than two-thirds of Republican voters support some kind of reform on gun control. Trump could act unilaterally on gun control, push for (for instance) a background check at gun shows, and not lose any political capital. So yes, Trump is a coward when he refuses to act.
Kimmel has been on point lately
same with the "I'll pray for ___ tonight" and similar comments
this perfectly sums up how I feel about it
same with the "I'll pray for ___ tonight" and similar comments
Mikey Jr.
Member
My dad says he has lost absolute all interest in ever visiting America again as a tourist.
A few months ago, we were floating the idea of going to Vegas late September, so that was kind of scary.
But yeah, he said there were lots of other places to go in the world.
Grand scheme it doesn't mean much, but I wonder if that is a sentiment among others as well after this.
A few months ago, we were floating the idea of going to Vegas late September, so that was kind of scary.
But yeah, he said there were lots of other places to go in the world.
Grand scheme it doesn't mean much, but I wonder if that is a sentiment among others as well after this.
I mean, you're going to have to wait because that's not going to happen in your lifetime.
Kill Your Masters
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It's the least amount of effort to put in to feel good about yourself in a time of crisis.
"I prayed, my job is done, back to looking at funny memes."
Seriously. Never going to happen in the next 100 years. We could have another Vegas today and it wouldn't budge the needle of gun owners.
Messofanego
Banned
I made this gif from that Bojack Horseman episode, seems it will sadly have a lot of future use.
We'll never reach that point because the NRA and gun manufacturers lobby to prevent anything from being passed. Couple that with the fanatical gun culture in this country and it'll never be changed.
Trojita
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Even his opening felt scripted and not sincere.
I made this gif from that Bojack Horseman episode, seems it will sadly have a lot of future use.
Yeah, that's the scene where it clicked how ridiculous it all was.
Also
"I can't believe this country hates women more than it loves guns."
I stopped watching Fallon a looooong time ago. Sometimes being funny just isn't enough.
Demoskinos
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There are still people out there thumping the "well how else are we going to defend ourselves against a rogue government!" line.
Government has gone rogue and deployed their carriers against the people!
"Dun' worry, Ah got dis."
It is silly to assume normal citizens, even with guns, can stand a chance against a government with one of the most advanced militaries in the world. Especially now that Trump pumped their budget to ridiculous.
The "evil people will just flout the laws" defense of no real gun control has to be one of the most idiotic justifications of the current political landscape. There's no other developed country on earth with the US' level of gun violence, clearly gun control can and does work. The only reason it doesn't here is because lobbyists, court opinions, and idiots make sure it doesn't.
It also ignores the fact that "responsible" gun owners are going to hurt themselves, their kids, and others far more often then they were going to either shoot up a school or defend themselves from a shooter.
It also ignores the fact that "responsible" gun owners are going to hurt themselves, their kids, and others far more often then they were going to either shoot up a school or defend themselves from a shooter.
But thats the thing, you dont need to budge the gun owners, just the majority of the country. It seems like the majority of the country are for changes, thats how democracy works.
Reading all of this shit has me tearing up at work. Everything just feels so pointless. People are reaching into their wallets and their own literal bodies to donate money and blood while politicians receive checks from the NRA and assholes on Facebook just go "bu bu bu Chicago!". It's just so incredibly disheartening.
This shit always drives me nuts because all it proves is that even the "toughest" gun laws are not tough enough.
Raven117
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All I can say is...yup. I think they hurt more than the help, because the arrogance and and snark that couples with that humor permeates into the actual debate (way more than what they actually were talking about).
"Sick Burns" and "going all in" just doesn't matter....Its simply red meat for those already wanting to believe it. Comedians are simply that. There aren't enough onion posts, oliver segments, Samantha Bee clips, Kimmel preaches, Colbert rants to really move the needle that much with respect to policy...Why? Because they are Comedians. They can poke and laugh, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty, they hind behind their red nose and don't have any skin in the game. As a matter of fact, they are absolutely in a better position now that Trump is President.
I highly recommend people in the US. to watch Jordan Klepper Solves Guns special (we foreigners can see it through VPNs).
And to follow his final advice to check with any local gun legislation groups and anti-gun violence groups to see what can be done, they've set up a website for people to see a bunch:
http://www.cc.com/shows/jordan-klepper-solves-guns/how-to-help
And to follow his final advice to check with any local gun legislation groups and anti-gun violence groups to see what can be done, they've set up a website for people to see a bunch:
http://www.cc.com/shows/jordan-klepper-solves-guns/how-to-help
Always-honest
Banned
That's Jimmy.
I'd say it's less the toughest laws are not tough enough, and more that more stringent laws in a single city can't do jack if you can easily pop over a bridge or tunnel and get guns easily (also a case study: Washington, D.C.)
That doesn't mean state-based legislation can't have an impact, but it's essentially like vaccines; the strongest herd immunity only comes with a critical mass of states enacting similar policies.
ManDudeChild
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Government has gone rogue and deployed their carriers against the people!
"Dun' worry, Ah got dis."
It is silly to assume normal citizens, even with guns, can stand a chance against a government with one of the most advanced militaries in the world. Especially now that Trump pumped their budget to ridiculous.
This is shopped, right? I don't see how those are all supposed to take off with so little space.
The launch runways are actually quite short since the planes are assisted with speed using a catapult system that pulls the plane forward when it has reached a sufficient speed with the engines. The USS Nimitz (the latest of US. carrier designs) is equipped with a electro magnetic rail system (older designs used steam) that does most of the launch work of a plane. That is how you can achieve launch from a carrier with relatively small space.
That said, the planes on the pictures are just parked, they are not expected to launch from right where they stand and get in the air (unless they are VTOLs), have to be taxied over to the launch runways.
Count Dookkake
Member
It's kind of similar to the problem of the so-called Missing Link, where each new fossil creates two more gaps.
There will always be another period of mourning.
There will always be another period of mourning.
Fox Mulder
Member
I wish a few of them had been gunned down at that baseball game. They'll never change their minds on this, it won't matter how many people die.
America will forget about this by the weekend.
I just realised something.
In the Trevor Noah clip, at 2:49 a man says "Certainly hotel security will be revisited across the globe after this event." Across the globe? What kind of narcissist thinks the entire world will suddenly think gunmen are gonna appear in hotel lobbies across the entire world just because it happened in Ameri~oh it's FOX News alright....
In the Trevor Noah clip, at 2:49 a man says "Certainly hotel security will be revisited across the globe after this event." Across the globe? What kind of narcissist thinks the entire world will suddenly think gunmen are gonna appear in hotel lobbies across the entire world just because it happened in Ameri~oh it's FOX News alright....
Karsticles
Member
Exactly.
Shabadoo69
Member
I always think of this too. He also had a tweet yesterday that was spot on.
Anthony Jeselnik
Look on the bright side: it could have been much worse. Like the next one will be.
I think The Tonight Show's base have always been old white conservatives. Can't anger then I guess.
AstroNut325
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The country that we won independence from...
https://youtu.be/lf0ThqEdV9o
Where did we go wrong? How do other countries find better ways but we can't follow that same path?
https://youtu.be/lf0ThqEdV9o
Where did we go wrong? How do other countries find better ways but we can't follow that same path?
SomewhatGroovy
Banned
Who has even argued that nothing changes unless Comics speak up?
They have a voice that can reach millions of people who take action. Said voice can influence that action.
Stop using a lot of words to say nothing.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
90% of the country nebulously supports some form of expanding background checks or limiting access to guns, but when actually put in writing, the numbers drop precipitously:
Americans want less guns in the hands of "bad" people. When you explain how that can happen, the wheels fall off. My impression is that most people just enjoy patting themselves on the back about the issue. Kind of like people that say they think healthcare is broken but will never support a move towards single payer, or think police violence is out of control but will never push for reform.
Most people will pretend to care about issues like these (just wait for all those temporary FB statuses), but when it comes to holding their politicians (or parties) accountable, they'll vote along party lines anyway. There is an astounding amount of cognitive dissonance and straight up patronizing lip service in the American populace.
All Chicago proves is that city to city or state by state laws are meaningless in a national marketplace. It's like making a game console region free and then releasing your game only in Japan, of course people are still going to find a way to buy it.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The problem with the "what about the law abiding gun owners" argument is that dude was a law abiding gun owner until he sprayed thousands of bullets into a crowd.
As much as I enjoy seeing Adam sing, what the hell was that song? Freedom is how this happened in the first place. Too much freedom.
ken_matthews
Member
I think it is long past the time to talk about gun control in this country. But I'll echo the sentiments of others; if Sandy Hook did not compel political action, then I am afraid this will not either.
Fucking Fallon.
Doesn't mean we should stop fighting for it.
This.
It's as if they have already glossed over the details of the biggest mass shooting in US history that just happened two days ago. The cognitive dissonance is unreal.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
The USA is almost like a lost cause now. The world's second largest polluter suffering terrible consequences of climate change but removing themselves from the Paris agreement. Going backwards is a fair description of everything they do now. Black people getting killed every day for nothing.
Trump etc are only partly to blame. People need to rise up and say no fucking more.
Trump etc are only partly to blame. People need to rise up and say no fucking more.
To be fair, I think the idea is that people were shot in the head while being out at a concert and having fun -- i.e. "freedom." I guess.
TheUntamedLegend
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The Second Amendment does not have to mean "anybody can get any amount of any type of gun anytime".
Here's what it says
There is a lot of room for interpretation, so framing the entire argument as gun control = repealing the 2nd Amendment isn't necessary, and in fact, it is self-defeating.
Vicetrailia
Member
It is pretty fucked up that you can buy killing machines and 9/10 times won't be stopped until after you've pulled a trigger ending a life. There's no deterrence.
Oh yeah, I get that, I compared it to religion because it reminded me of religious nutcases twisting what is written for their own bigoted agenda. It doesn't only apply to gun control, but also this whole free speech debacle.
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