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Late Night hosts about mass shootings, is it time yet to talk about guns?
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Fallon truly sucks.
The performance is a perfect example of what's wrong. People getting high off their farts for no particular reason. What did the shooting have to do with "freedom"?
HazySaiyan
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If nothing was done after Sandy Hook then I'm not convinced that anything will ever be done.
30yearsofhurt
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Not sure if this helps anything but posting anyways...
http://www.smh.com.au/world/heres-why-australia-will-never-understand-the-us-obsession-with-guns-20171003-gyt7ys.html
http://www.smh.com.au/world/heres-why-australia-will-never-understand-the-us-obsession-with-guns-20171003-gyt7ys.html
That is inaccurate since it doesn't take into account the population size difference between aus and the us. Don't keep sharing it as anti gun freaks will just latch onto the flaws and ignore the rest of it.
plagiarize
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We can't give up our rights! If we have to implement strip searches and luggage checks when you check into hotels, that's just the cost of freedom...
So says a bunch of fucking morons.
So says a bunch of fucking morons.
brochiller
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Yes and they should press these politicians immediately after these things happen.
If they can't stand by their policies when these families are learning they lost their loved ones and are grieving then they can fuck off.
If they can't stand by their policies when these families are learning they lost their loved ones and are grieving then they can fuck off.
I'd love to see what would happen if Trump made a strong push for gun control laws. Would his cult-like base finally turn on him or is his influence so strong with these people that he could actually change their mind?
Not that it's going to happen but it would be interesting to see.
Not that it's going to happen but it would be interesting to see.
No, he's just a wuss.
Which is ironic because people put them and their family more in danger by having a gun. If that thief in your house come across you with a gun in your hands, you increase your chance of getting shot by a huge margin compared to coming across the thief unharmed.
He can get political, but at least have a well thought out point to make. This blind worship of "mah freedom" is half the reason why we are in this mess. This kind of pandering does nothing but give people an excuse to get emotional. All the other hosts had some kind of argument to make. What point were Fallon and his guests making?
It's because of this raw, illogical emotion that people cling to guns.
Yup. It also increases these totally unavoidable "accidents" where little kids get ahold of the guns and shoot their relatives with it. You sadly read about it pretty often.
PhoncipleBone
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Only certain parts at certain times.
Haloid1177
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That is something I never understood in the argument. Their laws drastically changed their gun crime rates, regardless of the size of their population. If it's something they can do, why can't we? Aren't Americans supposed to be better at like everything? /s
tonysidaway
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The loonies will do that anyway, no matter what you say. The population of Australia is about a twelfth of the population of the United States. The fact that more people died in one gun outrage than died of gun homicide in that country in an entire year is still shocking.
Or maybe not, if you're resigned to never changing.
HazySaiyan
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Even accounting for population sizes the differences are ginormous. Per capita far more Americans die from gun violence than Australians.
EDIT: or to put it another way, using UK data: https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/915083055886487553
Because americans(well, a good proportion anyway) are obsessed with guns and will fight to keep them because it's their "god-given right". I don't think australians were ever that way(but what do I know, I'm not australian
).Aeriscloud
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They did exactly this with Aurora and Orlando with movie theaters and clubs, and they do it every single time there is a school shooting.
Jimmy Fallon giving Trump a run for his money for the most wooden delivery ever.
Liljagare
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I think also alot of people think the situation is just too huge and too hopeless and it's deemed unfixable.
But, you have to start *somewhere*, the situation isn't going to get better by itself. It is also a huge problem that there is alot, alot of money in the weapons industry.
The one that figures out where to start, probarly deserves the Nobel peace price.
A proper gun license has worked in alot of countries that went from alot of available guns to more strict control. The vetting takes part during the licensing process, here in Sweden, pretty much hunters and sports people have guns. It costs money, you need to take test, pass shooting ranges, and written exams, you're told how to store the weapon properly, you never store it so it can be accessed and fired quickly. Alot of criminals still have guns despite this. The license also seem to weed out alot of people with various problems, the police can take away licenses for pretty much any reason too.
Having lived in alot of countries though, there is a huge difference in mentality in places, alot more people see the gun as a tool to be used if it's available everywhere, in a place with more controll, fists and knives seem to be the choice, also a the place where there is more controll and licensing, there is also more education on what a gun is, a lethal unneeded luxury item.
Hugely anectodal point, but observed in more nations than one. :\ Another one is the constant fear telling, you keep telling people they are going to be shot by criminals, you'll make people want to defend themselves, regardless that a gun is more likely to do harm to a loved one than a criminal, people want guns.
I think it will change with costs, in money or lives, but apparently despite what happens, the cost hasn't been reached yet. It's really utterly sad to see.
But, you have to start *somewhere*, the situation isn't going to get better by itself. It is also a huge problem that there is alot, alot of money in the weapons industry.
The one that figures out where to start, probarly deserves the Nobel peace price.
A proper gun license has worked in alot of countries that went from alot of available guns to more strict control. The vetting takes part during the licensing process, here in Sweden, pretty much hunters and sports people have guns. It costs money, you need to take test, pass shooting ranges, and written exams, you're told how to store the weapon properly, you never store it so it can be accessed and fired quickly. Alot of criminals still have guns despite this. The license also seem to weed out alot of people with various problems, the police can take away licenses for pretty much any reason too.
Having lived in alot of countries though, there is a huge difference in mentality in places, alot more people see the gun as a tool to be used if it's available everywhere, in a place with more controll, fists and knives seem to be the choice, also a the place where there is more controll and licensing, there is also more education on what a gun is, a lethal unneeded luxury item.
Hugely anectodal point, but observed in more nations than one. :\ Another one is the constant fear telling, you keep telling people they are going to be shot by criminals, you'll make people want to defend themselves, regardless that a gun is more likely to do harm to a loved one than a criminal, people want guns.
I think it will change with costs, in money or lives, but apparently despite what happens, the cost hasn't been reached yet. It's really utterly sad to see.
tonysidaway
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That's even more shocking, when you consider the high population density of the UK.
30yearsofhurt
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Being "anti gun" makes you a "freak" now eh?
NHarmonic.
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America and its pathological love for guns. How many people need to die for this to change?
HazySaiyan
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We have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the world, and as a result have some of the lowest levels of gun crime. Gun control works.
I'm gonna think 'anti' was a slip of the fingers there.
Or that.
tonysidaway
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From context, I assume the poster meant "anti gun control freak."
Kill Your Masters
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Thats why per capita statistics exist and the US has a shameful per capita number of gun related deaths.
Because it's easier and more cost effective to outfit every hotel in America with heavy security detail than it is to pass laws that make it difficult for the mentally ill to purchase weapons or stock up at a gun show without a background check.
I don't have the words to describe my anger towards these fucks. Fuck your prayers.
RustyNails
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Your soon to be new Alabama Senator Roy Moore laughs at OP
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Your soon to be new Alabama Senator Roy Moore laughs at OP
Is that a gun for trump hands? Laughable, leave your cowboy hat at the exit.
holygeesus
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I notice today that the sale of acid has been banned to under 18s. We have a problem, and then attempt to solve it with legislation. It's amazing how that process works.
There maybe a shit-ton wrong with this country, but some things we get right.
Your soon to be new Alabama Senator Roy Moore laughs at OP
Thinking about the people of Alabama... http://www.wtvy.com/content/news/Alabama-had-Americas-third-highest-murder-rate-in-2016-449112533.html
excelsiorlef
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It is an indictment of news media that comedians are speaking to the truth and honesty far more than they are.
This is a powerful speech.... but he's not the one we should have to turn to, or Kimmel, or Myers, or, or ,or...
Why have entertainers become the news reporters and the news reporter the entertainers?
It's not about the constitution. It's about politicians being controlled by the gun lobby and convincing their base that in order to be safe from minorities, foreigners, criminals, your own government (wrap your head around that one) you need to be armed. None of these fucks give a shit about the constitution. For evidence of this claim, please see how they value the 1st amendment (when black people decide to exercise it).
Always-honest
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It's a fundament and they're fundamentalistic.
excelsiorlef
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"By all means offer thoughts and prayers... but think about what you need to do and then pray for the courage to do it"
This line from Colbert should be demanded of every representative, every senator by everyone.
This line from Colbert should be demanded of every representative, every senator by everyone.
The problem is the areas of America you'd want to visit know this perfectly well. It's the scary radicalized areas that keep supporting this stuff.
GoldenEye 007
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The US loses on every measure on gun violence vs other developed countries. By far.
Why why why why do I read Twitter when these topics trend? Kimmel was trending.
Saw Cernovich post immense false equivalence because Kimmel won't bring up Roman Polanski. Thankfully most people called out his retarded claim.
But then I saw lesser known people, with replies like "the more you libtards hate him, the more I love him". That's not how that works! Are you fuckers Russian? Do something about the Nazis and the Russians Twitter!
Saw Cernovich post immense false equivalence because Kimmel won't bring up Roman Polanski. Thankfully most people called out his retarded claim.
But then I saw lesser known people, with replies like "the more you libtards hate him, the more I love him". That's not how that works! Are you fuckers Russian? Do something about the Nazis and the Russians Twitter!
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I was not ready for that Kimmel video.
wow.
wow.
Oops I meant to say pro gun.
And the inmates are running the asylum.
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