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Late Night Wars - Conan's last Tonight Show was TONIGHT a long time ago
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Agent Unknown
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Ouch, I have to eat some of my words about Oprah. I still don't like a lot of the things she does and the way she behaves as a rather ego-centric media empire unto herself, but she really did a pretty good job of calling Leno out on his hypocrisy, ie: 'Why didn't you approach the situation the way, Conan did?' and he totally destroyed himself! Kudos to her for not softballing him. Bearing in mind I only saw the highlighted clips, not sure if I could stand watching the whole interview.
edit: GAH. Never mind. What Shintoki and other pointed out. Oprah sucks and so did the interview for the most part. X_x
edit: GAH. Never mind. What Shintoki and other pointed out. Oprah sucks and so did the interview for the most part. X_x
Personifried
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Agent Unknown said:
That Oprah is way too good. She didn't softball him, but she took his side enough to sway people over to it. And because she didn't softball him, I look like an idiot when I complain about her tactics.
Agent Unknown
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^^^
Yeah, I know now it was a crappy interview, look at my edit.
Yeah, I know now it was a crappy interview, look at my edit.
Red Scarlet
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Why was Leno on Oprah? Shouldn't it have been Conan?
Megadragon15
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O'Brien can't do interviews (for a pre-determined time) as per his termination settlement agreement.Red Scarlet said:
Edit: Beaten
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OMG at the Leno interview.
Wah WAh Coco forced me out, he stole my show, I had no intentions to leave WAHHHHHH
GTFO!
Wah WAh Coco forced me out, he stole my show, I had no intentions to leave WAHHHHHH
GTFO!
Red Scarlet
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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Yeah, I just wanted to see Conan instead. DVR'd Oprah, haven't watched it yet.
Oh please @ Leno + Oprah interview.
I doubt Jay can say anything that would alienate his wonderful apple pie eating conservative viewers (not a knock at righties)... hmmm, what I mean is that I just think Jay is their comfort zone and they'll come back by fall in the same capacity as if Conan had never taken over the Late Show in the first place.
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I doubt Jay can say anything that would alienate his wonderful apple pie eating conservative viewers (not a knock at righties)... hmmm, what I mean is that I just think Jay is their comfort zone and they'll come back by fall in the same capacity as if Conan had never taken over the Late Show in the first place.
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wonderkins
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Knew it was going to be an amusing read when I got to this:Gruco said:
Just lol. Actually, the whole first paragraph is one good lol.newsweek said:
The way Oprah's crowd agrees with her as a single entity absolutely terrifies me.
And Jay makes me angry, not least because he doesn't consider himself a host first, but a stand-up comedian. He doesn't care about the show as much as Conan does.
EDIT: I'm watching the Oprah thing with her audience right now. The lady at eight and a half minutes keep saying ConAN, like the barbarian. Bugs me to no end.
And Jay makes me angry, not least because he doesn't consider himself a host first, but a stand-up comedian. He doesn't care about the show as much as Conan does.
EDIT: I'm watching the Oprah thing with her audience right now. The lady at eight and a half minutes keep saying ConAN, like the barbarian. Bugs me to no end.
jdogmoney said:
Yeah, pretty much. Jay's a selfish dick.
RayStorm said:
It was Jay's decision to be "waiting in the wings." Who waits in the wings after agreeing to give up their job to someone else? He wanted to get the Tonight Show back and he didn't give a shit about who he screwed over. The worst part is that he doesn't even care about the job that he's taking that's screwing people over. Or maybe the worst part is that he considers himself a comedian when there's so much evidence to the contrary.
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jdogmoney said:
Because he is the Barbarian that will ravage ratings when he gets on & be #1.
Jay can totally suck a dick, however you guys have to keep in mind that Jay has a staff that is probably 150+ that went a long with him too. So whatever decision he makes affects more than him. So I would let off on bashing him so much and start bashing him and NBC collectively.
That said...
I still dont like him and would rather Conan keep The Tonight Show and Jay go hump cars, but hey thats me.
That said...
I still dont like him and would rather Conan keep The Tonight Show and Jay go hump cars, but hey thats me.
Jesus Christ watching the Oprah crowd debate is fucking sickening. All of these jackasses that don't have any fucking clue what the hell they are saying while blindly supporting Jay.
Also I loved how Jay kept saying "IT WOULD BE SELFISH OF ME TO NOT TAKE THE SHOW BACK BECAUSE OF MY STAFF!" Fuck you Jay, your crew knew FIVE FUCKING YEARS IN ADVANCE. CONANS CREW GOT A MONTH
What a piece of shit. ugh
Also I loved how Jay kept saying "IT WOULD BE SELFISH OF ME TO NOT TAKE THE SHOW BACK BECAUSE OF MY STAFF!" Fuck you Jay, your crew knew FIVE FUCKING YEARS IN ADVANCE. CONANS CREW GOT A MONTH
What a piece of shit. ugh
All you need to know about Opera and fact-checking and/or knowing what the fuck is going on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stn_XCo_dyg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stn_XCo_dyg&feature=related
Thagomizer
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Does anybody know if Conan's staff signed non-defamation agreements as well?
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EzLink said:
I wish people from the internets were in the crowd that know everything that has been posted to counter the empty head Oprah fans.
fallengorn
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They're Oprah fans, if she says "jump" they'll ask "how much?"EzLink said:
Kimmel talks about the 10@10 thing. (Sorry, it's Hulu.)
"At one time [Jay] was a comedian."
:lol :lol :lol
"At one time [Jay] was a comedian."
:lol :lol :lol
SpectreFire
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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Yeah, and what she was trying to do, was to add fuel to this whole fire.
She wanted to make Leno look suspicious while at the same time, seem comforting to him. First of all, get this straight, Oprah isn't stupid, she's pretty aware of how she could've manipulated this situation to her benefit and she did. You have to be blind to think that Leno came off smelling like roses.
There is absolutely not doubt in my mind that Oprah and CBS had fully intended for this to make Leno look more like a slimebag. Sure Oprah's friends with Leno, but she still works for Leno's biggest competitor station. And as we've discovered so well through this whole late night disaster: In television, people tend to place network above friends.
Epcott said:
Yeah, but those people are becoming more and more irrelevant each and every day. Our generation is growing bigger and stronger, and even though the baby boomers don't want to leave yet, we're slowly forcing them out of roles in the world and fixing what they messed up. If 5-10 years, none of this will matter because these people won't matter anymore. They'll either be dead or senile, hopefully.
The person I really feel sorry for is Max Weinberg, who no longer has a gig in Springsteens band or as bandleader for the Tonight Show. Honestly I'm more of a Paul Shaffer guy but Max still had his highlights (getting hit by that truck on the way to a springsteen gig is classic comedy). Heres hoping Conan will bring him back when he returns.
As for Oprah, best part of the Q&A was her calling out her own sheeple audience for jumping on the Conan bandwagon uninformed - Saying if the 97% of conan supporters in the audience actually watched the show this wouldn't have happened (because you hadn't told them to Oprah, way to deflect the blame on the public). One woman in the audience commented that people didn't support him or his show, just his status as underdog, to which Oprah just continued her agenda of improving Leno's status, belittling her audience & chiding them for not watching more television. Its amazing to watch her speak to her flock as if they were children - using slow pronunciation & manipulative subtext- undermining their opinions & generally acting as the source of knowledge itself.
Another highlight was the smooth guy who placed all blame on NBC by basically saying "Don't hate the player, hate the game" - much to Oprah's chagrin.
As for Oprah, best part of the Q&A was her calling out her own sheeple audience for jumping on the Conan bandwagon uninformed - Saying if the 97% of conan supporters in the audience actually watched the show this wouldn't have happened (because you hadn't told them to Oprah, way to deflect the blame on the public). One woman in the audience commented that people didn't support him or his show, just his status as underdog, to which Oprah just continued her agenda of improving Leno's status, belittling her audience & chiding them for not watching more television. Its amazing to watch her speak to her flock as if they were children - using slow pronunciation & manipulative subtext- undermining their opinions & generally acting as the source of knowledge itself.
Another highlight was the smooth guy who placed all blame on NBC by basically saying "Don't hate the player, hate the game" - much to Oprah's chagrin.
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Willy105 said:
This is just not true. Conan did tons of raunchy jokes at 11:35. I feel like he actually did more than he was doing at Late Night. The Tonight Show really wasn't that much different than Late Night, and I don't know why people keep repeating this. At most Conan was a little more stiff and not as energetic, but he did the same type of jokes and same type of bits.
VistraNorrez said:
I remember one dirty joke Conan did, and that was the male models coming out and lap dance to the audience.
But Leno did a lot more, like talking about underwear, genitals, and suggesting that he was a stripper and a pervert. Like last night's show for example.
Captain Sparrow
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This topic is starting to get ridiculous. Here are the facts:
- Leno was the king of late night
- Conan was losing to Letterman by a LONG shot, who Jay had consistently dominated
- The Jay Leno show was an experiment that failed. Still had more viewers that the tonight show with Conan.
I give him credit for going public about the issue and I felt he was being sincere. How many people lie and sugarcoat things?
Quit blaming nbc, quit blaming Leno, quit blaming DVR. The bottom line is Conan didn't have the ratings. Period. The public spoke with ratings. If they wanted Conan, we would still have Conan.
If I didn't perform at my job, I'd get fired. Who here can underperform but keep their job since it would be unfair to lose it?
- Leno was the king of late night
- Conan was losing to Letterman by a LONG shot, who Jay had consistently dominated
- The Jay Leno show was an experiment that failed. Still had more viewers that the tonight show with Conan.
I give him credit for going public about the issue and I felt he was being sincere. How many people lie and sugarcoat things?
Quit blaming nbc, quit blaming Leno, quit blaming DVR. The bottom line is Conan didn't have the ratings. Period. The public spoke with ratings. If they wanted Conan, we would still have Conan.
If I didn't perform at my job, I'd get fired. Who here can underperform but keep their job since it would be unfair to lose it?
ThLunarian
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Captain Sparrow said:
-How do you think Leno was doing ratings-wise, 7 months into his run as host of the Tonight Show, in 1992? Now how do you think he would have done if Johnny Carson had decided to have his own show at 10:00pm?
-Are you sure The Jay Leno Show's ratings were better than Conan's? It was my understanding that while Conan's ratings weren't that great, Jay's were just abysmal.
Apparently Jay Leno can... but not only did he keep his job, he actually got promoted.
Captain Sparrow said:
The Leno show had far less viewers than Conan's Tonight show.. lol "The Jay Leno Show" at 10pm was a huge failure in ratings.
Leno's "tonight show" had more viewers than Conan's "tonight show", but that's the ONLY time he wins the ratings war vs. conan.
You should get your facts straight before stating them as such.
:lol Do you even have the slightest clue how television ratings work? Do you know what a lead in is? Do you understand that a new host usually takes a while to get his audience/ratings ( look at Leno and he didn't have Carson on prime time to cannibalize his ratings and take his A-list guests.)Captain Sparrow said:
Besides this isn't about ratings, its about money...if you knew anything you would just stop posting...
DeathbyVolcano
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Ahhh, yes. This thread, and the Circle of Life.
SolidSquirrel
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Your "facts" aren't exactly accurate. Letterman was not winning by a longshot, he was neck-and-neck with Conan in the most important demographic.Captain Sparrow said:
And Lenos primetime show pulling better numbers doesn't really mean anything considering it's in primetime. Edit: wow, didn't realize Leno wasn't even beating Conan. What a useless argument.
It does come down to the ratings, though, and it'd be tough to expect NBC to make the "moral" decision. Nevertheless, it was shitty of Leno to not give it up and amazingly unfortunate that Conan got such a short end of the stick.
dave is ok
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Anyone who is saying "Conan didn't have the ratings" like Jay Leno is completely ignoring the fact that Conan had no lead-in whatsoever. If the 11pm news shows were losing 30-50% of their audience in some cases, is that Conan's fault? Of course not, it's the fault of the show in front of it - which used to be a high profile drama and is now a lazy rehash of Jay Leno's Tonight Show. If the ratings for 10pm are way down and 11pm is suffering, of course 11:30pm will suffer on account of 11pm's poor ratings. It's not very difficult to understand - Conan's poor ratings were at least partially Leno's fault and he ignored that fact completely on Oprah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujo9FRh8nf0&feature=player_embedded
holy shit @ kimmel. awesome.
edit: ah, its old.
holy shit @ kimmel. awesome.
edit: ah, its old.
Then again, if Leno had moved to a different network instead of taking the show at 10pm -- do you think Conan's ratings would have been better, even with a decent lead-in, against Letterman AND Leno? I doubt it, and then he wouldn't have had any excuse at all.dave is ok said:
And, no, I don't like Leno either, but can't we just accept that the whole situation was messed up? At the end, too messed up to put the blame on anyone, really, in my opinion.
Coolio McAwesome
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Captain Sparrow said:
You don't know what you are talking about.
READ THIS
This ordeal had nothing to due with Conan's ratings. The Jay Leno Show was an astounding failure and the affiliates threatened to revolt if NBC didn't cancel it. However, Leno's contract promised him a reported $150 million if his show was cancelled prematurely. The whole issue came down to the fact that it was cheaper to breach Conan's contract than it would have been to breach Leno's. If Conan had been posting high ratings for his entire run, it still would have been cheaper to breach his contract.
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