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plagiarize
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there was a chart at the end of the OP.
anyways
just for the record, most scientologists don't believe in all that sci fi stuff, because most scientologists aren't OT3... heck a lot of scientologists walk out when they reach OT3 and find out about Xenu and friends.
it's a classic cult trick... they do this stuff that's basically a kind of psychiatry (though they call it a science and tell you psychiatry is evil). you start to feel the benefits of that, and you start to trust these guys.
then they're like 'do you want to know whats behind this science... why it works?' and you by that stage probably BELIEVE the auditing works... it makes you so much more likely to buy their crazy story.
scientologists shouldn't be persecuted based on what they believe though. the religion itself should be persecuted for all the underhand things it does and has done. for extorting it's followers. for blackmailing people that speak ill of their practices and black balling them as religious bigots and so on.
no offense to religious people, but the mythology of scientology is no more crazy than that of any other religion, we're just not as familiar with it. why is xenu any more ridiculous than satan? he isn't.
talking about scientology's beliefs as being crazy, just plays right into scientologies trap. talking about how crap they are as an organised religion outside of their beliefs... that's the way we might either be able to clean them up and turn them into something respectable... or if that just isn't possible... to get rid of them.
for the record, when you sign up for the Sea Org, you sign up for a million years.
just food for thought.
anyways
just for the record, most scientologists don't believe in all that sci fi stuff, because most scientologists aren't OT3... heck a lot of scientologists walk out when they reach OT3 and find out about Xenu and friends.
it's a classic cult trick... they do this stuff that's basically a kind of psychiatry (though they call it a science and tell you psychiatry is evil). you start to feel the benefits of that, and you start to trust these guys.
then they're like 'do you want to know whats behind this science... why it works?' and you by that stage probably BELIEVE the auditing works... it makes you so much more likely to buy their crazy story.
scientologists shouldn't be persecuted based on what they believe though. the religion itself should be persecuted for all the underhand things it does and has done. for extorting it's followers. for blackmailing people that speak ill of their practices and black balling them as religious bigots and so on.
no offense to religious people, but the mythology of scientology is no more crazy than that of any other religion, we're just not as familiar with it. why is xenu any more ridiculous than satan? he isn't.
talking about scientology's beliefs as being crazy, just plays right into scientologies trap. talking about how crap they are as an organised religion outside of their beliefs... that's the way we might either be able to clean them up and turn them into something respectable... or if that just isn't possible... to get rid of them.
for the record, when you sign up for the Sea Org, you sign up for a million years.
just food for thought.
way more
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plagiarize said:there was a chart at the end of the OP.
anyways
just for the record, most scientologists don't believe in all that sci fi stuff, because most scientologists aren't OT3... heck a lot of scientologists walk out when they reach OT3 and find out about Xenu and friends.
it's a classic cult trick... they do this stuff that's basically a kind of psychiatry (though they call it a science and tell you psychiatry is evil). you start to feel the benefits of that, and you start to trust these guys.
then they're like 'do you want to know whats behind this science... why it works?' and you by that stage probably BELIEVE the auditing works... it makes you so much more likely to buy their crazy story.
scientologists shouldn't be persecuted based on what they believe though. the religion itself should be persecuted for all the underhand things it does and has done. for extorting it's followers. for blackmailing people that speak ill of their practices and black balling them as religious bigots and so on.
no offense to religious people, but the mythology of scientology is no more crazy than that of any other religion, we're just not as familiar with it. why is xenu any more ridiculous than satan? he isn't.
talking about scientology's beliefs as being crazy, just plays right into scientologies trap. talking about how crap they are as an organised religion outside of their beliefs... that's the way we might either be able to clean them up and turn them into something respectable... or if that just isn't possible... to get rid of them.
for the record, when you sign up for the Sea Org, you sign up for a million years.
just food for thought.
You call that a chart!
itsinmyveins
Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
I'm not persecuting anybody, I'm just saying that you've gotta be batshit insane if you buy the story about Xenu and whatnot.
And yes, it's more absurd than the notion of "something" responsible for creation of everything.
And yes, it's more absurd than the notion of "something" responsible for creation of everything.
Lucky Forward
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fixed.plagiarize said:
Why are they all middle-aged people? Because young people don't have thousands of dollars in the bank.
I think I got that same message when I reached Level 20 in Morrowind.OP said:
no offense to religious people, but the mythology of scientology is no more crazy than that of any other religion, we're just not as familiar with it. why is xenu any more ridiculous than satan? he isn't.
"it's way way more" crazy
south park
yes the episode you didn't watch and you still try to talk about the subject
"it's way way more" crazy
south park
yes the episode you didn't watch and you still try to talk about the subject
How about using the internet ? idiotsplagiarize said:
This was more or less my attitude towards Scientology before; indifference with a touch of admiration for the ability to profitably exploit idiots.nerbo said:I love Scientologists. Don't hate on stupid people, try to help them and if they are still stupid and won't accept your help, just find a way to profit off them and you'll feel better in a jiffy.
Hey, if it works for Scientologists...
After some reading some Scientology threads I decided to look into the subject deeper.
And then I found out about Lisa McPhereson. And then I saw her autopsy pictures.
Now I want to see the complete destruction of Scientology and anyone associated with it. With this case alone, the cult is shown to be how harmful it can be to the rest of society. Scientology let that woman rot to death over the course of months. They, and by association, Tom Cruise and Issac Hayes and Nancy Cartwright and Travolta and whoever else, are a cult of murderers.
Scientology is actively involved in plots to spy on, defraud, and blackmail many national governments and prominent people in those governments, including the United States.
They are dangerous, actively seditious, and need to be firmly and irrevocably rooted out, hunted down, and destroyed.
They are dangerous, actively seditious, and need to be firmly and irrevocably rooted out, hunted down, and destroyed.
Fatghost said:
Yep, that's how they managed to force the IRS to give them religion status to avoid taxes. FBI needs to raid every ****ing facility they own and arrest the people in charge. WTF kind of religion patents its ideas and sues people who talk bad about them? What kind of religion has shooting ranges on their property? Why encourage their followers to harm enemies of Scientology(oh wait, its not the only one, lawl)? WTF
DeathCabCute
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I don't support scientology or anything, in fact I find it pretty funny and ridiculous.
On the other hand, the KKK style hate towards scientology on this thread is a little scary. I think some people need to get off the trans fat diet and get out of the house more. Pretty soon we'll have new religions popping up filled with the same loonies as scientology that are trying to combat scientology and stop it's evil.
Scientology is not evil, it's a joke.
On the other hand, the KKK style hate towards scientology on this thread is a little scary. I think some people need to get off the trans fat diet and get out of the house more. Pretty soon we'll have new religions popping up filled with the same loonies as scientology that are trying to combat scientology and stop it's evil.
Scientology is not evil, it's a joke.
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
bud said:
Q: What's the difference between Scientology vs the established religions?
A: A few thousand years.
*runs*
emomoonbase
I'm free 2night after my LARPing guild meets.
I don't buy that ppl who get into this are just kinda brain washed into it. I mean ppl research cars they buy to the nth degree and know every detail of brittany spears. Are you telling me they're gonna fork out thousands of dollars without doing a google search and seeing all this stuff about aliens and Xenu and crap?
Shogmaster said:
That don't work to well. There isn't much of a difference. It's all the same shit. Looking for a higher meaning of life. People seem to want more out of life and cannot look to them selfs or their family for that.
It's all the same, only thing that's different is the gods, god, prophets, messiahs, etc.
P.S. :lol They did just reopen a church worshiping the Mythological gods. (wayyyy olldddddddderrr then our current over powering religions).
evil solrac v3.0
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OT? are they talking about the off-topic forum? man, we've waaaaaay popular. i must be level 1,000 by now....
Rorschach said:
It was a short story submission. It was rejected for something like being insensitive or offensive, and the only thing I think it could've been were some scientology digs in it. Jeez, that was a little 2 years ago. I'm not sure I still have that. I can't even recall what it was.
It was before I had a regular job and I could concentrate on my personal writing. Believe it or not, I really miss those days.
monchi-kun
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there's a benefit to being on a boat when ripping people off....sail far enough into the ocean and the law can't touch you.
the only hope left for these people are sea pirates of southeast asia
the only hope left for these people are sea pirates of southeast asia
soul creator
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Shogmaster said:
that's like when people describe the differences between a religion and a cult
the only difference is the number of followers
soul creator
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Jacobi said:
:lol Of course, it's partially a joke so it's not supposed to be 100% literal.
"cults" can screw you over more than just financially though, so that's not the sole thing that separates one from a "religion"
DeathCabCute said:
Wrong Scientology is evil. You have a powerful and influencial organization who are generally a bunch of crazies, scamming weak minded people of their money and practicingy brainwashing techniques all while they thry to infiltrate and subvert the governments or the world to bend them to the will of scientology.
They need to be shut down. Their religion is a known fake and they are dangerous.
Long term I think they are a bigger threat then terorism.
Fusebox said:Those scans are awesome! Thats some Scientologists magazine right? Would that be hard to get a hold of? I'm actually trying to get some Magical Mormon Underwear but I can't find anywhere that sells them online - anyone got any tips where to look?
For crying out loud, it's not some "magic" underwear. It's a symbol of our faith. Tons of religions have symbols of faith. The Catholics wear crosses, the Jews wear the Kippah, and so on. It just happens that we wear ours under our clothes as a constant reminder of the promises and covenants we've made as Christians instead of out in the open. It's not about keeping this secret, it's about keeping them sacred.
It's not like we believe we can fly or turn invisible because of them or anything like that.
Hitokage said:
I've been through the endowment ceremony. I know it better than you would.
Anything holy or sacred gets dragged through the mud by the world. There's some things that you just don't put in the hands of those that would use them for the sole purpose of mockery. People who don't understand certain principles or aren't prepared to receive them often resort to ridicule. I don't have a problem with your disagreement with what I believe in, but don't try to claim to understand something you clearly do not.
Really now? Maybe you just mean you've done it since they changed the annointing part, since when I did it they still used that fabric poncho during the annointing. Not as familiar with the latest revision of the eternal truth, you know.Jeff-DSA said:
Just like how scientology gets treated? Thing is though, you're still withholding information from not only the public, but also members. Control of such information is coersive, but that's why converts are convinced first and foremost that the church is true, everything else is just details.
I'll be sure not to.
Hitokage said:
Hah, I finally understand...
So what turned you away? Was it some piece of literature? Was it logic? I'm not ridiculing here, I'm actually curious. I have a few friends that have left the faith, but everybody's reasons are different. It just seems you're bitter and anti about the whole thing for some reason or another. Not believing is one thing, but attacking is another.
By the way, you can say your piece and I won't try to counterpoint you. I'd just like to know where you stand and (briefly) why.
To keep it as brief as possible, I didn't drift away in apathy like some people, I was still invested in the church when I found out it wasn't what it claimed to be, on multiple levels. The first blow, though, was actually when I was reading about scientology and cults in general, particularly Steve Hassan's work, and the traits matched right up with my own faith.Jeff-DSA said:
Other blows came as all the cracks in church history and scripture became apparent. Most damning of all is in the church's own materials, like how the joeseph smith translation directly contradicts the king james bible, which is then lifted word-for-word in the book of mormon. Another favorite of mine is the lord directly contradicting himself on a point of fact between D&C and the book of joshua.
I actually went through the temple and even got called on a mission long after I stopped believing, but had to keep up appearances.
Jeff-DSA said:
Yeah right - just admit its secret underwear which is supposed to give you protection by using its masonic symbology ,and there's plenty of stories of Mormons who believe that their underwear has saved them from bullets and stuff. Also I heard hardcore Mormons not only never take them off except to shower but even then they keep one hand on their underwear folded nearby, and mark my words, I WILL get myself a set of this magical underwear.
ItsInMyVeins said:
Whoa whoa WHOA! Say what you will about scientology but don't you dare touch my beloved Star Trek! Anyway, I love Christopher Reeve's take on scientology:
What could Christopher Reeve teach Tom Cruise about Scientology?
In his new book Nothing Is Impossible, Christopher Reeve offers inspiration and hope, but the Hollywood icon also demonstrates his enduring sense of humor.
In a chapter titled Religion, Reeve tells the story of his involvement with Scientology during 1975.
The saga begins outside a supermarket where the actor runs into a Scientologist promoting a "free personality test." Reeve obliges him and takes the test, curious to find out its results.
The next day in the "plush inner sanctum of [Scientology's] headquarters suitable for the president or CEO of a major corporation" he is told the bad news. Scientologists warn Reeve that he is carrying "heavy baggage'" and suffers from a litany of personal problems.
But of course they can provide the needed "training" to help him, which they say he should begin immediately.
So the future Superman takes Scientology courses hoping one day he will "go Clear," which is Scientology jargon for reaching a supposed advanced state of consciousness made possible through their training.
Reeve writes about an exercise called "'TRO' (Training Routine Zero)" and explains, "The objective was to empty our minds of extraneous thoughts ('clutter')" And "whenever our own clutter tried to come back in, we were to acknowledge its return and then command it to go away."
Doesn't this sound like "brainwashing"?
The actor tells readers that TRO only cost him "a few hundred dollars." But after that came "auditing," which he describes as "outrageously expensive." And Reeve says Scientology wanted "$3,000 in advance" for that service, which was billed at a "$100 an hour in 1975."
He explains that the "auditor" used an "E-Meter," which is "a simple box with a window that contained a fluctuating needle and a card with numbers from one to ten. Two wires running out of the box were attached to tin cans," which he was asked to hold.
Apparently it didn't take x-ray vision for Reeve to conclude that the "E-meter was basically a crude lie detector."
What Reeve subsequently details sounds like an interrogation. The actor was asked to "recall the use of illegal substances, painkillers, anything stronger than aspirin." He says, "My drug rundown used up four or five sessions."
But Reeve had "growing skepticism about Scientology." So he decided to run his own test.
He told the auditor a long story supposedly about a past life, but he made it all up, based upon a Greek myth.
However, the auditor didn't detect anything, even with the help of the trusty "E-Meter."
It was then that the "Man of Steel" decided he was done with Scientology. Reeve writes, "The fact that I got away with a blatant fabrication completely devalued my belief in the process."
Summing up a religious critique the actor says, "My problem has always been with religious dogma intended to manipulate behavior."
adamsappel
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The "common knowledge" of the Xenu story is relatively recent. Previously, only those high in the church hierarchy knew of it, and when you were told, you were probably already a pretty firm believer (though some people certainly quit the church at that point). At the least, by then you'd already spent tens (hundreds?) of thousands of dollars on auditing. The cover of Dianetics shows an exploding volcano and was an "in joke" for Scientologists who knew the whole story.emomoonbase said:
One of the reasons people don't leave is you reveal every bad thing you ever did or thought, so they easily blackmail you into staying. It's one of the ways they keep control of Hollywood stars. I was certain that Battlefield Earth was going to be a huge hit. L. Ron Hubbard's books are constantly on the best-seller lists because Scientologists are sent out to buy copies of the book, uh, religiously. I though for sure that they would also have to go see that movie repeatedly, but I guess it was too crappy for even them to take.
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