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LeBron James: Jordan Gets Too Much Credit For 6 Rings
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That's not what the comments said. They said you can't single out the shot but that is precisely what happened with Jordan.
Jordan is the GOAT as far as I'm concerned, but LeBron isn't wrong. Don't like how people forget about Pippen or even Rodman in their second run, or that Phil is a very good coach, or that Jordan struggled for years before he got to sniff the title.
Anyone denying this is either wearing rose tinted glasses, doesn't watch basketball all that often, or are just reiterating what they heard.
Anyone denying this is either wearing rose tinted glasses, doesn't watch basketball all that often, or are just reiterating what they heard.
UnObtainium17
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Okay, I've read only the Title and the first maybe 10 replies..
I can tell This thread is going to be glorious.
I can tell This thread is going to be glorious.
Lee Chaolan
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Pretty much true. Raptors should be good again next year though.
Also very true
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Thanks for that because the article that is linked is terrible. It posts an inflammatory quote yet doesn't give actual context behind Lebron's words,instead hey listen to this podcast.
Edit: NVM, thought you recapped the podcast.
Dreams-Visions
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Clark W Grizwald
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Lebron is right! I mayyyyyyyy be a tad biased however.
NBA/Jordan fans are an interesting bunch.
Jordan wasn't carrying a bunch of bums to the finals.
Yeah, I don't think any team where one guy carried a bunch of bums ever won the finals anyway. Jordan was fantastic, but it took a good team with good old Pippen to win it all.
People seem to forget that the Bulls did really well without Jordan when he went to baseball. Or that he did come back only to lose to Shaq and the Magic in the eastern conference finals before the second threepeat.
Lee Chaolan
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The Suns were legit too with Barkley. Hell AJ Green almost tied up the game after the shot but got blocked on the layup.
ProfessorMoran
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Is he worried that he'll never get to 6 now that other stars are building superteams?
BassForever
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LeBron is not the first to make this argument, but I can't help but be suspicious if LeBron was 5-0/6-0/7-0 in finals would he still be making that argument or would be be saying "I've passed Jordan as the best ever". Unless LeBron goes on to win the chip every year until he retires he'll always be number 2 behind Jordan because it's impossible to compare players across eras of Basketball or any sport really and championships or the only universal marker we have. If we took any of LeBron's finals teams and dropped them into the 90's against Jordan's finals teams or if we took Jordan's finals teams and put them in this era against LeBron's finals team how do we think it would play out?
Shit, don't know how I forgot about the Suns.
GitarooMan
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You see the same illogical thing in the NFL arguments with Brady 4-2 vs Montana 4-0
All I can say is that MJ remains, to this day, the only athlete I've ever watched in any sport that, when he decided to, could take over a game and change the entire outcome of it. It's like he had this switch he could flick on that said "I'm going to win this game", and when he flipped it, he couldn't be stopped. I've never seen intensity, talent, killer instinct and willpower come together like I did watching MJ in the 90's.
darkazcura
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Don't know why there are so many obsessed with NBA in the 90s in this thread. The 90s was a weak and diluted era of basketball full of boring slow, isolation basketball and hacky defenses. The early-mid 00s was even worse, but the 80s and late 00s-present is better basketball wise than the 90s.
"BUT YOU HAD TO BATTLE IN DA PAINT!!!"
This is 100% true. There was a serious lull from when Bird and Magic went away to when LeBron took the league's mantle. Right now, the NBA is as strong talent-wise as it's ever been (though there's sadly little drama considering how great two of the teams are).
#teamjames
Jordan might get too much credit. That doesn't mean he wasn't a big part of those 6 titles, but whenever someone is elevated like Jordan is, things can get a bit crazy.
LeBron's already done enough to be an all time great. He's a better off the court dude than Jordan anyway
Jordan might get too much credit. That doesn't mean he wasn't a big part of those 6 titles, but whenever someone is elevated like Jordan is, things can get a bit crazy.
LeBron's already done enough to be an all time great. He's a better off the court dude than Jordan anyway
That John Paxson 3 pointer were the only points the in the 4th quarter not scored by Michael Jordan that game for the Bulls. Cause you know, Jordan kept his team in games during 4th quarters when the team was playing shitty *remembers Heat-Dallas series*. Yeah, MJ gets just the right amount of credit.
Edit: John Paxson, don't know why Bill came to mind.
Edit: John Paxson, don't know why Bill came to mind.
Game over, man.
current players are soft, they would get killed in 90s. If Michael Jordan played in this era he would be like Wilt Chamberling out there.
What? Its exactly like the comments said?
More like jordan being selfish
Gotdatmoney
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Steph honestly hasn't done shit against extremely good teams. What quality/contender teams did he have crazy performances against? He looked like shit against Cleveland for the last 2 years and looked bad against OKC this year.
Not really. People acknowledge and constantly bring up Lebron played with Bosh and Wade during his years in Miami and essentially went easy mode to win championships. People give lebron credit for bragging bums to the finals in Cleveland and for insane series performances which are deserved. The only time this argument applies to Lebron would be this year in saying that Kyrie wasn't given enough credit for his Final's performance which is true. Kevin Love was shit, the rest of the role players were given their credit.
darkazcura
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Defenses today are far more advanced and intricate than ever before. The quality is just better. The schemes are better. I'm glad the NBA is out of the isolation heavy dark ages. I couldn't care less about whether players are perceived to be soft or not. The NBA has changed the rules to turn focus away from non-basketball/overly physical plays like hand checking. It's a better product because of it, and defensive systems are far more advanced and fun to watch today because of it.
sans_pants
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i mean dudes could get beat up in the 80s and 90s but its not like they had sophisticated defenses back then
i lol when people act like lebron is soft and couldn't handle the physical game of the past. dude is bigger than jordan
everything else is just baseless speculation. the game is completely different
i lol when people act like lebron is soft and couldn't handle the physical game of the past. dude is bigger than jordan
everything else is just baseless speculation. the game is completely different
Gotdatmoney
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The NBA didn't even let you play Zone defense until like 15 years ago. It's so fucking stupid the arguments people make about past eras. The game is less physical now but it's still way the fuck more schematically advanced.
sans_pants
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fuck schemes we talking about heart and grit here
If Curry tried to shoot a 3 point ball in 1990 he would have been punched in the face and thrown off the court, he's so soft. Lebron would have been a glorified Eric Montross in the 90s.
Gotdatmoney
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Lol, like I totally respect the past eras and athletes in the game. But people are so disillusioned about what they actually watched. The players in the past eras got beat up, it doesn't suddenly mean no player afterwards could handle those eras.
Wait. Are you saying that Jordan made a career out of beating up on the Raps and the Grizz?
Not a career, but he was able to take advantage of a league that was going through an expansion.
Hard to say how Jordan would have fared in the league today.
LiquidMetal14
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I love Jordan too but he is right to a degree. The championship say a lot and that is not without a doubt but people put Jordan on this pedestal because he has his 6 Rings and I still feel LeBron James is one of the greatest players of all time even without having similar accolades. That just goes to show how talented LeBron has been for the game.
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