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Led Zeppelin - I am giving them one last chance. Guide me, GAF.

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PuertoRicanJuice said:
One thing I do know is that all of my friends that are musicians all think Zeppelin > Beatles. Discuss.
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Most of my friends that are musicians don't even listen to the ol' Zeppelin.
 
some songs Zeppelin stole-

Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" - A folk song by Anne Bredon, this was originally credited as "traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page," then "words and music by Jimmy Page," and then, following legal action, "Bredon/Page/Plant."
"Black Mountain Side" - uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch.
"Bring It On Home" - the first section is an uncredited cover of the Willie Dixon tune (as performed by the imposter Sonny Boy Williamson).
"Communication Breakdown" - apparently derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown."
"Custard Pie" - uncredited cover of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down," with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes's "Drop Down Daddy."
"Dazed And Confused" - uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song (see The Above Ground Sound Of Jake Holmes).
"Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" - uncredited version of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down."
"How Many More Times" - Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin' Wolf song (available on numerous compilations). Part two is an uncredited cover of Albert King's "The Hunter."
"In My Time Of Dying" - uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan's debut).
"The Lemon Song" - uncredited cover of Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor" - Wolf's publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70s and settled out of court.
"Moby Dick" - written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title "The Girl I Love," and later covered by Bobby Parker.
"Nobody's Fault But Mine" - uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues.
"Since I've Been Lovin' You" - lyrics are the same as Moby Grape's "Never," though the music isn't similar.
"Stairway To Heaven" - the main guitar line is apparently from "Taurus" by Spirit.
"White Summer" - uncredited cover of Davey Graham's "She Moved Through The Fair."
"Whole Lotta Love" - lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love."



However, they did come up with some great original stuff and were no doubt influencial to future bands. But the beatles were far more diverse in their music. Plant was pretty much a one trick pony (not really the greatest vocalist, despite what someone else here said of every band members talent) and McCartney was far more talented. The Beatles invented music and Zeppelin refined it as much of their music was blues turned to rock (which bands like the who and rolling stones started to do before them).
 
^ What the fuck? You tellin' me none of that stuff is entirely original?
 
I'm going to try to listen to a couple Beatles albums tonight. Just because I think I'm ready to give them a first time serious listen. All because of you!
 
"The Beatles invented music and Zeppelin refined it."


What.

Nevermind, I think I understand you now. You might want to reword that better, though. :-p
 
I'm sorry but I dont think Zeppelin refined anything the Beatles did. Zeppelin was great at riff-driven songs, and the Beatles had only a handful of riff-driven songs from their progressive years. Zeppelin WAS a one-trick pony, for the most part, but to be fair it was one helluva trick.
 
MadraptorMan said:
I'm sorry but I dont think Zeppelin refined anything the Beatles did. Zeppelin was great at riff-driven songs, and the Beatles had only a handful of riff-driven songs from their progressive years. Zeppelin WAS a one-trick pony, for the most part, but to be fair it was one helluva trick.
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no no, i didn't meant they refined beatles music. i meant they refined blues music into rock. sorry
 
That's because Led Zeppelin influenced the musical vernacular of rock instrumentalists today. The Beatles is more about their song-writing, than proficiency at their instruments (although they were excellent players).

Typically today's musicians love Led Zeppelin when they first start, until they realize they have to write a good song. Then they start listening to Lennon and McCartney.
 
Chony said:
Get the Led Zeppelin DVD and watch Robert Plant in skin tight jeans (disk 2) and you can see quite the bulge, if you know what I mean, and I think you do.
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While watching VH1 gourded out of my mind in Oregon last week, I caught the video for Welcome to the Jungle, which features Axl wearing leather pants that are about 4 sizes too small. Compare and contrast the visible units of Robert Plant and Axl Rose through the years.

Edit: what is your favorite Air album? Mine is probably Moon Safari or 10,000 hz legend.
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Moon Safari, but I have a soft spot for a number of songs on The Virgin Suicides Soundtrack.
 
MadraptorMan said:
Zeppelin WAS a one-trick pony, for the most part, but to be fair it was one helluva trick.
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No way. The group evolved tremendously from their first album to In Through the Out Door. They dabbled in acoustic folk rock, blues rock, heavy metal, middle-eastern accents, orchestral arrangements, straight blues numbers, instrumentals, long mood pieces like the Rain Song, keyboard-driven songs, reggae, even country. And were good to awesome at all of those styles.

Even the riff-driven comment is not accurate. Hell, their most famous song, "Stairway to Heaven," is the very antithesis of riff driven!

You might not like Led Zeppelin as much as the Beatles, but "one-trick pony" is nowhere near accurate.
 
Teddman said:
No way. The group evolved tremendously from their first album to In Through the Out Door. They dabbled in acoustic folk rock, blues rock, heavy metal, middle-eastern accents, orchestral arrangements, straight blues numbers, instrumentals, long mood pieces like the Rain Song, keyboard-driven songs, reggae, even country. And were good to awesome at all of those styles.

Even the riff-driven comment is not accurate. Hell, their most famous song, "Stairway to Heaven," is the very antithesis of riff driven!

You might not like Led Zeppelin as much as the Beatles, but "one-trick pony" is nowhere near accurate.
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I did say "for the most part" for a reason, as I do realize there are exceptions. However, I guess I was speaking from a personal perspective, because most of my favorite songs of theirs are indeed riff-driven, and it is a large number of songs. I'm not really saying it's a bad thing, it's their sound and it's good.
 
Led Zep II in its entirety. The best rhythm section on any rock 'n roll album in history. How much of my love for this album is tied into growing up with it and hearing it 1000 times in various situations I'll never know, but it's still as astounding to me now as it was when I was 10.
 
I'm trying to give Led Zepp a chance right now. I've tried in the past and failed. All my friends love them, and for the most part I trust their taste in music. But something about Ledd Zepp can't click with me.. maybe they are too oldshcool sounding. I don't know what it is.
 
Teddman said:
No way. The group evolved tremendously from their first album to In Through the Out Door. They dabbled in acoustic folk rock, blues rock, heavy metal, middle-eastern accents, orchestral arrangements, straight blues numbers, instrumentals, long mood pieces like the Rain Song, keyboard-driven songs, reggae, even country. And were good to awesome at all of those styles.

Even the riff-driven comment is not accurate. Hell, their most famous song, "Stairway to Heaven," is the very antithesis of riff driven!

You might not like Led Zeppelin as much as the Beatles, but "one-trick pony" is nowhere near accurate.
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Thank you.


I'm not sure how you can blacklist the whole band's catalogue, (for instance, Dyer Maker, and the entirety of In Thru the Out Door is dead to me, yet I can articulate why; and while I can't stand most of Rush's catalogue, I do love Vapor Trails). The main thing to get over this is not to "force" liking them onto yourself, and just let yourself fall in with it while listening to it when you get a chance.
 
How *I* really got into LZ:

I bought Led Zeppelin IV--->Stairway To Heaven was great but the rest of the album just didn't live up to the Hype.
The breakthrough was the Led Zeppelin Live DVD (the one with the desert cover)
There you've got:
-a mindblowing live performances of Dazed And Confused,Whole Lotta Love and many other. You need to see them performing their blues-hard-rock stuff.
-then I bought Led Zeppelin II and the live album "How The West Was Won". Both albums are their best ones in my oopinion.

the my LZ albums in (my) order:
1.) Led Zeppelin DVD
1.) Led Zeppelin: How The West Was Won
2.) Led Zeppelin II
3.) Led Zeppelin III
4.) Led Zeppelin houses Of The Holy (the most experimental LZ you are going to hear)
5.) Led Zeppelin IV

the (imo) best album titles: (this list should be much longer, but those are my personal favourites)
"Since I've Been Loving You"-->on LZ III (one of the best rock ballads ever, imo)
"Stairway To Heaven"-->on LZ IV (you don't have to like it, but you should. This song isn't what LZ is all about)
Whole Lotta Love-->on LZ II (Hard Rock at its best)
Dazed And Confused-->on LZ I (great, interesting song)
Thank You-->on LZ II (just a nice song)
The Ocean-->on LZ Houses of The Holy
Black Dog-->on LZ IV

best live songs:on htwww and the "desert DVD"
"Whole Lotta Love"
"Dazed And Confused"
"Over The Hills And Far Away"
"Communication Breakdown"
"Since I've Been Loving You"
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.
.
etc (they where a great live band in the 70s^^)

If you just can't get into them get some The Who albums ;)
 
I have the Led Zeppelin complete recordings box, and the disc that gets the most play out of that for me is In Through the Out Door, with Houses of the Holy and III just behind. "In the Evening" is a great song that doesn't seem to have been mentioned in this thread yet.
 
III isn't getting as much love here as I expected. Great album, Gallows Pole leading into Tangerine is good stuff. Zeppelin rocks city blocks, ya dig?
 
sefskillz said:
III isn't getting as much love here as I expected. Great album, Gallows Pole leading into Tangerine is good stuff. Zeppelin rocks city blocks, ya dig?
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III is a great Zep album, but I find it the least accessible of all Zep numbered albums. But, it might also be the album White Man is looking for.
 
White Man said:
STFU.
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Seriously, how is someone else supposed to help you LIKE a particular style of music or band? If you don't like them you don't like them and move on. Do you feel any less special that millions of people love Led Zeppelin and you don't? Their entire catalogue of music has been available in multiple formats for years now and we're supposed to magically give you a formula to listen to them in a specific order so that you finally LIKE them? Give it up.
 
Manics said:
Seriously, how is someone else supposed to help you LIKE a particular style of music or band? If you don't like them you don't like them and move on. Do you feel any less special that millions of people love Led Zeppelin and you don't? Their entire catalogue of music has been available in multiple formats for years now and we're supposed to magically give you a formula to listen to them in a specific order so that you finally LIKE them? Give it up.
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Have you even read the thread? I was looking for recommendations. Sometimes it just takes 1 song for a band to click with a person.

Now get out of my thread before you get banned.
 
Alucard said:
It's just a case of having the myth and image of The Beatles constantly shoved in my face by music lovers that hinders my enjoyment of their music.
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No doubt. How dull and depressing life must be to those think that the greatest band in the Universe has already come and gone.
 
Flynn said:
No doubt. How dull and depressing life must be to those think that the greatest band in the Universe has already come and gone.
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You could say the same thing about Zeppelin fans, Floyd fans, Ramones fans, etc etc the list goes on.
 
White Man said:
Have you even read the thread? I was looking for recommendations. Sometimes it just takes 1 song for a band to click with a person.

Now get out of my thread before you get banned.
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Oh I've read the thread and have seen that you've acquired everything they've ever recorded. Considering there are only 8 albums (9 if you count Coda) it's not that difficult to listen to the entire catalogue, why does someone have to pick and choose songs for you?
 
MadraptorMan said:
You could say the same thing about Zeppelin fans, Floyd fans, Ramones fans, etc etc the list goes on.
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Yep. I enjoy constantly being surprised and engaged by music. I don't know what I'd do if I thought that music has been going downhill since Lennon was shot.
 
go here

and order this (or "obtain") it:



then on DVD 1 go to Dazed and Confused and watch it. If you aren't impressed, then you'll never be a Zep fan.

personal list?
1. Dazed and Confused
2. Since I've Been Loving You
3. I Can't Quite You Baby
4. Battle for Evermore (it's about Lord of the Rings)
5. Ramble On
6. Achiles' Last Stand
7. Misty Mountain Hop (it's about the Hobbit)
8. Bron Y Aur Stomp
9. Good Times Bad Times
10. No Quater
11. Gallow's Pole
12. Kashmir
 
At this point, I'm willing to say that I may actually like individual songs more than albums. I can see myself nailing down a solid set of 50 or so songs that I think are Zeppelin's best.

There's stuff I really like, and there's stuff that leaves me kind of cold.

No diss intended, but the lengthy jam stuff doesn't do much for me. Space jams leave me floored when I see them live, but hearing a recording of one isn't the same.

I plan on continuing my exploration of Zeppelin this weekend. Expect regular reports.
 
PuertoRicanJuice said:
Well, 50 songs is about 2/3 of their studio stuff, so I'd say you actually like them.
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:lol Which brings me back to my original point. Guy likes nearly 70% of Zeppelin's original studio recordings and he's asking for input on more songs? Are people supposed to suddenly pull Zep songs out of their ass. If you can't "get" Zeppelin after hearing all of their stuff just stop trying, noone will think any less of you. Except me of course.
 
Animal said:
poor yourself a nice glass of whisky sit down in a nice comfy chair, dim down the lights till you can barely see anything and blast away these two songs:

Babe I'm Gonna Leave You
Since I've Been Loving You

if you dont feel that then you better just stop listening to music all together.

Enjoy.
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YES! I don't know how this hadn't been mentioned before. Since I've Been Loving You is my favorite Zep song -- definitely give it a spin (the recorded version and the live one from Plant & Page's No Quarter album).

Let me know what you think, White Man.
 
This thread has inspired me to sit here and listen to my Zeppelin collection yet again! Thank you White Man:

All I need from you is all your love
All you gotta give to me is all your love!
 
Manics said:
If you can't "get" Zeppelin after hearing all of their stuff just stop trying, noone will think any less of you. Except me of course.
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Give me a break. I tried to get into them when I was younger and they weren't my thing. I was just looking for an interesting starting point. When a band has so many releases, reissues, repackagings, rewhatevers, it's a little tough to pick the best starting point. Different people have different favorite Zeppelin albums, which serves to make discovering a good starting point all the more difficult.

And yes, it did help having people recommend songs to start with. If I put on an album and find the first song immediately uninteresting, chances are I won't be sticking around for song #2.
 
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