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Left 4 Dead 2 officially announced. November 17th release date.
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Suburban Cowboy
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If I told you a year ago "Valve's next game will only end up having one patch with new content and its sequel will come a year later" who would have believed me?
PillowKnight
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Pretty much, goddamn it. I'm going to resist though, this has rushed sequel written all over it.fallengorn said:
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Cheeto said:
Agreed. Way too soon. Wth Valve?
Well, there's the relative lack of content (only 4 campaigns, each take about 45 mins to beat), and the fact that the game launched with only half the maps actually working in versus. Not to mention a few core design flaws that never got fixed, such as the matchmaking system or being able to win on 80% of the maps just by finding a nice corner to stack in.Teknoman said:
Suburban Cowboy
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no, that would be the latest loot system in TF2.ghst said:
This wont be a financial mistake for Valve, and all of its loyal fans will forgive them.
you know the little bit of the character models I saw I didn't like. None of them stuck out to me as interesting. I'm sure there will be changes made to them but as it stands now they don't do anything for me. I take it back that big Ving Rhames looking guy sounded bad ass needs a better model tho.
why even bother you're just going to split the communityBotolf said:
Waaaay to soon imo. I don't think it'll offer anything new other than new character skins and scenarios. This could've been a pretty nice DLC package, but instead they went ahead and made it a full retail game. That's my initial impressions, but I hope to god that I'm wrong.
aeolist said:
Rentals. And if anything, Digital Distribution which is thriving on the PC is what is going to kill rentals for console owners in the future. Soooooooo yeah, it goes both ways. I didn't buy L4D because it didnt' seem to have a lot of content and valve was horrible at fixing Team Fortress 2 on 360 and i won't be buying L4D2 for the same reasons.
bathhouseterror
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I'm all over this. Coach looks funny already. Can't wait!
Spire said:
I learned my lesson. Combine the multiple sales since launch and the quick sequel turnaround...I have no reason to get this at full price, especially if they throw a small bone to us beta testers and keep the original content playable for those who buy the game again.
Like I said earlier, every other year (or on sale) from now on for this franchise.
...play some of the commentary maps and this is mentioned. I think in no mercy for example the pilot would complain about a bite as the screen blacked out implying that the survivors crash and end up in one of the other campaigns. It was not done because the focus testers were upset that they survived No Mercy but got an implied bad ending.Teknoman said:
Suburban Cowboy
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how they originally intended on it being 1 long journey strung together. My theory is the progress was supposed to beTeknoman said:
No Mercy-->Dead Air ---> Blood Harvest ---> Deathtoll
Only part of that im fairly certain of is deathtoll was meant to follow Blood Harvest, since one ends in a truck and the other starts on a road.
I shared the WTF sentiment at the announcement - even when I heard the zombie sound effects during the trailer I thought "Whoa... someone blatantly ripped off L4D's sounds."
But I'll be buying it day one. According to my Steam profile, I've gotten 127 hours worth of entertainment out of the original. I'd say that's worth the $50 I spent on it.
The only thing Valve needs to do to totally put my mind at ease is include the original maps/weapons/characters in the second one to avoid splintering the community. I don't know how feasible that is, though, being twice the assets.
But I'll be buying it day one. According to my Steam profile, I've gotten 127 hours worth of entertainment out of the original. I'd say that's worth the $50 I spent on it.
The only thing Valve needs to do to totally put my mind at ease is include the original maps/weapons/characters in the second one to avoid splintering the community. I don't know how feasible that is, though, being twice the assets.
Jackl said:
Same here, and I'm glad I waited for the big Steam sale where L4D was only $20. Now I'm just as big of a Valve fan as the next guy, but L4D is not even close to their other releases in terms of price:content ratio. You can essentially breeze through the game on the default difficulty in 4-5 hours. Sure, you can up the difficulty to the hardest skill setting and then play "closet raider" as your race from closet to closet to survive.
I really like L4D, but at a $50 price tag, it's just too much. I was definitely expecting a couple of campaigns to be released before we got a second L4D. Oh well. This won't be a day one. This is going to be a 'wait until it's half price on Steam' purchase.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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"Stop making fun videogames so quickly!"
Uh, L4D is 100+ hours long. It's a multiplayer game, not a "I played it through in one sitting" deal. By the same measure, Counter-strike is a 1 hour game since that's all it'd take to see every map.PatzCU said:
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Suburban Cowboy said:
Well they could still easily redeem themselves on this one, and after seeing the backlash (the Steam forums are in meltdown btw) they very well may.
Basically:
Release a retail package of L4D2 including all the L4D content at $50
Release this same bundle on Steam for new owners, again at $50
Sell the new content to owners of the original for $30, and treat it as an expansion pack.
Drop the price of the original permanently down to $30, so people can jump into the universe at a lower cost.
Make both games fully compatible with each other. If someone only has the original, let them still play with those that have L4D2, but only on the maps they own. They then have the option of upgrading to the full deal for a cut down $30 later on.
Everybody wins, no split community. Fair price for a ncie amount of content and a great bundle for those new to the series.
Console gamer's get raped with a full $60 retail release that is incompatible with the previous release but since this is par for the course and that bunch relish all the rape they can get, they gladly lap it up and keep asking for more.
Suburban Cowboy
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dont buy into "its too big to patch" bullshit. Thats how companies always justify charging us for shit we used to get for freeBotolf said:
I forgot CS was a full price retail gameLiu Kang Baking A Pie said:
RubberJohnny
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It makes me feel the opposite, I can't believe some people are so fucking fickle and entitled. The anti sequel brigade in this thread must be the same bunch of cretins that immediately turned on Blizzard for not making Diablo 3 black enough, after three years of rabidly hanging on every word for a confirmation.
Stop being such spoilt brats and appreciate what you get for once. I hear endless complaints about Valve delaying titles and having big gaps between releases, and now I'm hearing the complete opposite. You can't have it both ways.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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What does that have to do with anything? Are you saying it's okay for Counter-strike to be hundreds of hours long because it's $20 but it's not okay for L4D to be hundreds of hours long because it's $50-60? I can't figure out your comment's logic. Both games go well beyond what's expected of replay value and offer fucking tons for the money you spend.Suburban Cowboy said:
CajoleJuice
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Sounds about right.brain_stew said:
Wow, for the first time in like 9 hours I can log in! I was going to say why I thought Mirror's Edge 2 wouldn't show up but I couldn't ever say it. :lol
I am surprised Valve turned out to make this decision. I bought L4D largely because everyone seemed so impressed with it in GAF, everyone was touting the director so much, and it was fun to play with people, but it definitely was a bit unfinished in terms of bugs and versus maps (which are still iffy, mainly Death Toll). I'm also thoroughly unconvinced that the director helped much. :/ Also not a fan of survival, and I kinda feel I wasted some money by paying $50 full price.
So, I'm at least one person who won't be buying the sequel day one. If it goes down to $15-25 on sale I might consider it, if tons of people are playing, though.
I am surprised Valve turned out to make this decision. I bought L4D largely because everyone seemed so impressed with it in GAF, everyone was touting the director so much, and it was fun to play with people, but it definitely was a bit unfinished in terms of bugs and versus maps (which are still iffy, mainly Death Toll). I'm also thoroughly unconvinced that the director helped much. :/ Also not a fan of survival, and I kinda feel I wasted some money by paying $50 full price.
So, I'm at least one person who won't be buying the sequel day one. If it goes down to $15-25 on sale I might consider it, if tons of people are playing, though.
Bluemercury
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Yeah i agree this will make recent buyers angry.....i know i would.
CrunchinJelly
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I wonder if they will actually get away with this box art. Cos... :lol
By the way, brain_stew, with the SDK out and modders rampant I'm not sure if they would be able to make the games compatible with each other but somehow restrict what maps you could play, without people figuring out how to port them backwards or something. Of course new maps would probably use new graphics or features, but eh.
RocketDarkness
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I agree, but there's a big difference when they're talking about more campaigns than were in the original.Suburban Cowboy said:
Shake Appeal
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I have rarely, rarely been as ashamed to be a gamer as I am reading the reactions to this (awesome) news.
You are all fucking embarrassing.
You are all fucking embarrassing.
Technosteve
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i am glad i waited for the sequel to come out then buy the game. I am smarter then you all!!
MarshallVaako
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I'm still working on L4D achievements and they are going to release a totally new title? Not going to buy, dont care what the price is.
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PatzCU said:
as most people stated when asked about this game. if you are buying this for the single player experience then stop and keep your money in your pocket because this is not for you. this is about 4 people playing together trying to work through the game. if you played this with bots (which by the sound of it you did) then please dont buy l4d 2.
RocketDarkness
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Versus without Blizzard auto-failing his team? Sign me up!Blizzard said:
archangel565
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One of my friends said this and I hope this is what happens. New Orange Box...make the Black Box or whatever. $50 for Ep3, Portal 2 and L4D2. That I would be happy with.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Right, I understand there is a lot of value added in the multiplayer aspect of this game. However, the multiplayer in CS or TF2 is infinitely more dynamic than L4D. Every game of CS/TF2 is different because you are playing humans opponents. L4D does it's very best to 'direct' the AI in such a way that the experience is different everytime, but it just falls short I think.
It sounds like L4D-2 is going to create more complex ambushes and such so that will be cool. I hope there is a way for them to randomly generate the geometry of the ambush locations. Move rocks, cars, phone booths, closets around we aren't walking into an ambush and getting set up beforehand in a spot we know is the safest. Imagine walking onto the roof of No Mercy and having the roof completely rearranged everytime. There would be such a panic to find the most strategic location as fast as possible.
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