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[Bornstellar]

What was the point of Osiris again? Outside of that cool cutscene between Locke/John and when they stopped Cortana from sealing up Blue team (which wasn't integral to the plot), I feel like everything could have been done by the Blue team.

Halsey correctly pointed out that Chief was emotional compromised by Cortana's involvement and thus was incapable of handling the job. Turns out, she was right as seen in the game with Blue Team ending up in the aforementioned stasis egg.

 

[Bulby]

What was the point of Osiris again? Outside of that cool cutscene between Locke/John and when they stopped Cortana from sealing up Blue team (which wasn't integral to the plot), I feel like everything could have been done by the Blue team.

It made for a cool marketing campaign that had nothing to do with anything

 

[OBias]

Or maybe 343 would go all out and set the game 10,000 years in the future. Actually I'm kind of sad we won't get to see that now.

Valve did this in Portal 2, and it worked well.

 

[Synth]

What was the point of Osiris again? Outside of that cool cutscene between Locke/John and when they stopped Cortana from sealing up Blue team (which wasn't integral to the plot), I feel like everything could have been done by the Blue team.

Sorry, but this seems like a pretty important role to me. How is everything gonna be taken care of by Blue Team, whilst they're busy doing their best Princess Peach impression?

 

[Apath]

Halsey correctly pointed out that Chief was emotional compromised by Cortana's involvement and thus was incapable of handling the job. Turns out, she was right as seen in the game with Blue Team ending up in the aforementioned stasis egg.

Their reasoning for doing so plot wise is plausible and makes sense. I just don't get what 343 was going for--they really didn't do much with it.

It made for a cool marketing campaign that had nothing to do with anything

I really doubt 343 sat down and went "what could we do in this game to create a really bitchin' marketing campaign 3 years from now?"

Sorry, but this seems like a pretty important role to me. How is everything gonna be taken care of by Blue Team, whilst they're busy doing their best Princess Peach impression?

I just meant it didn't even have to be included in the story. Chief 'n gang get sealed, Osiris breaks them out. I didn't feel like it moved the story, just that it was a stop gap. Like a locked door in a mission level.

 

[Synth]

I just meant it didn't even have to be included in the story. Chief 'n gang get sealed, Osiris breaks them out. I didn't feel like it moved the story, just that it was a stop gap. Like a locked door in a mission level.

Ok then. In that case my answer would basically mirror Bornstellar's. It was important for the characterisation of Chief in this game, and you'd have to alter his approach and characteristics noticeably to resolve the situation in a similar way otherwise (that or Cortana would have to just go "fuck it", and try to actively kill them). This approach gave Chief the time to adjust to the situation and the new role that Cortana plays, they get to build on that throughout Halo 6, rather than having to already be at the resolution basically.

 

[jelly]

Nah breh, stick the Chief and Blue Team in a stasis egg (Cryptum) for a couple hundred years and I'm sure they'll come around.

How amazing would it have been if Halo 5 ended with that actually happening?

I actually wished that was what happened. Now that would be an adventure. They could have approached it as an awakening to a war Cortana was still fighting, maybe Chief even gets rescued by rebels or perfect harmony with an undercurrent of a rebellion that gathers pace around the player. Would be a cleaner slate as well to reset the Universe into something better, better plot and characters going forward. Ah well, can't now.

 

[wesleyshark]

It feels like a repeat of The Didact and Librarian's storyline from Halo 4.

Yes this. It's a parallel.

 

[BeforeU]

I actually like the idea. I can see why AI would think how its a good idea lol

Cortana is Skynet except, little bit better. She doesn't want to kill EVERYONE. only the rebels I guess

 

[BeforeU]

What was the point of Osiris again? Outside of that cool cutscene between Locke/John and when they stopped Cortana from sealing up Blue team (which wasn't integral to the plot), I feel like everything could have been done by the Blue team.

Would have been worth it to see how pissed everyone would be knowing Halo 6 would mostly be Locke. Or maybe 343 would go all out and set the game 10,000 years in the future. Actually I'm kind of sad we won't get to see that now.

If it wasn't for that, blue team would have been stuck in the cryptum. It actually pays off at the end. + the helped Arbitor win the war. I guess that's something? made trustworthy friend, set up for H6.

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shit double post.

 

[AcePartyN7]

So basically she wants to end all war and self inflicted suffering throughout the whole galaxy. What's so wrong with that? I mean, wouldn't that just basically be a giant, universal utopia?

The only people that would be subjected to the guardians would be enemies to this idea.

Seriously, what's so wrong with this?

Ask to Shepard in Mass Effect he did the same fight ^^

 

[Sunset Samurai]

Missed opportunity 343. You could've set up the story going like Jul Vadama finds an old forerunner relic place. Fucks around and releases Mendicant Bias. All Hell breaks loose with the Guardians. end it with when Chief and others makes it to Mendicant he says "You humans and Forerunners have shown that you are not fit to claim the mantle. It is time that they come home after hiding away for billions of years after the war." Mendicant then sends off a beacon signal

Chief "Where is that signal going?"
Mendicant "It's to call the true holders of the mantle... The Precursors"

Would've been the biggest "Oh Shit!" moment in Halo history imo

 

[Triggerhappytel]

I actually like the idea. I can see why AI would think how its a good idea lol

Cortana is Skynet except, little bit better. She doesn't want to kill EVERYONE. only the rebels I guess

It's not a bad story point (talking in general as I haven't played H5) but it's so overdone at this point.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

I'm surprise this even needs debating- what Cortana intends to do is to take away your guns and your freedom, two of the most valuable things in American culture.

Taking away weapons might not be an inherently bad thing but to stop all wars from happening you need to stop any conflict and disagreement from ever happening. That means no more 'offensive' material, no more having a different point of view.

God has spoken.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

I wouldn't call cortana a nazi... She's probably the most intelligent thing in the universe. Plus, she has the support of the other AIs. None of these have a predisposition for evil, unlike some humans.

Let me tell you a little story about Mendicant Bias. Also keep in mind that the AIs are built/patterned after human brains. This is why Halsey reminds Locke that Cortana is patterned after her own brain before they go off to confront her. She's basically reminding him what she's capable of and what she would probably do with that kind of power.

 

[Sethista]

This sounds too much like I Robot and the starchild at the end of mass effect 3.

So all AIs will reach this conclusion, in any AI fiction story?

 

[Wvrs]

It's galactic fascism.

 

[Doffen]

Well ONI/UNSC started the Spartan project to crush human rebellion (according to Halo 4). The guardians is sort of the same deal, just on a galactic scale.

#TeamCortana

 

[jfoul]

Missed opportunity 343. You could've set up the story going like Jul Vadama finds an old forerunner relic place. Fucks around and releases Mendicant Bias. All Hell breaks loose with the Guardians. end it with when Chief and others makes it to Mendicant he says "You humans and Forerunners have shown that you are not fit to claim the mantle. It is time that they come home after hiding away for billions of years after the war." Mendicant then sends off a beacon signal

Chief "Where is that signal going?"
Mendicant "It's to call the true holders of the mantle... The Precursors"

Would've been the biggest "Oh Shit!" moment in Halo history imo

At this point it seems like Cortana has evolved into a higher form of Mendicant Bias. She has cured rampancy, and has ally AI on her side challenging for control of the Mantle. As for the Precursors, do any still exist that didn't become the flood virus?

 

[The Shift]

Was playing Halo 2 last night and she says 'If I were a megalomaniac, an I'm not, that is where I would be.'

Sure Cortana.

 

[Vico]

This sounds too much like I Robot and the starcjild at the end of mass effect 3.

So all AIs will reach this conclusion, in any AI fiction story?

That's my problem with this story arc. It feels like we've seen it too many times already in fiction, and Halo could have explored multiple other stories. We've always had glimpses of it, but it was just glimpses, and I'd have loved for it to stay that way.

 

[Calabi]

Homogenising and eliminating all conflict is a good way to stagnation and then extinction. Any half smart AI should know that.

 

[Sethista]

That's my problem with this story arc. It feels like we've seen it too many times already in fiction, and Halo could have explored multiple other stories. We've always had glimpses of it, but it was just glimpses, and I'd have loved for it to stay that way.

The idea of

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cortana turning evil after using ancient technology

is great, even the idea of

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her being a leader to all AI in the world

is awesome, but specially after the scene you get

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when playing leegndary, of a halo ring powering up, is like the reapers

all over again.

Really, is there no other storyline for AI?

 

[Synth]

Was playing Halo 2 last night and she says 'If I were a megalomaniac, an I'm not, that is where I would be.'

Sure Cortana.

She was probably telling the truth at that point. When she says that she "cured" herself, what she probably means is that one of her rampancy outbursts became her new dominant personality.

 

[Final Verdict]

When talking about it, she sounds just like oni.
Bringing "peace" (just like they supposedly do for the outer colonies) at the cost of it being a dictatorship or a sort of tyrannical rule.
Also, there are certain decisions that need to be made by humans/living beings and NOT computers as cold calculations do not make the best judgement calls.

 

[Final Verdict]

She was probably telling the truth at that point. When she says that she "cured" herself, what she probably means is that one of her rampancy outbursts became her new dominant personality.

I'm guessing so too, but I think chief will ultimately find a way to bring her back to her senses. (Maybe just bang her chip against the side of the wall a few times like we do with all technology when it stops working )

 

[Synth]

Maybe just bang her chip against the side of the wall a few times like we do with all technology when it stops working )

I don't have that sort of relationship with any of my technology, but I won't judge.

 

[SuperBanana]

What if Aeris Survived? (Huge Final Fantasy 7 Spoilers)

I mean, the game puts her in the second mission and gives no reason why she's back other than they couldn't think of a new plot. It's hardly a big twist.

 

[Outrun]

Cortana exhibits a child-like understanding on the Mantle.

Unfortunately, this child welds a prodigious amount of power. She is aggressive, whereas the Forerunners were subtle in their show of force.

Halsey was partially right about John-117. However, she is guilty of doing what she warned others of not doing: Underestimating him. By the time Locke and Co meet Blue Team, 117 already knows enough of the situation to view Cortana as a threat.

Without Blue Teams' journey, Team Osiris and the UNSC would not know as much as they did of Cortana's plans. The Cryptum scene is pivotal because both Cortana and John 117 understand each others limits.

That look of sadness exhibited from Cortana might be all the edge that the Chief needs in the future.....

Or not!

 

[Outrun]

I don't have that sort of relationship with any of my technology, but I won't judge.

Hahahaha, you had to focus on the bang and the wall....

Fun Fridays

 

[AlStrong]

Really, is there no other storyline for AI?

Rule34

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Wasn't it because humans were able to space travel due to studying forerunner tech they discovered and subsequently searched for more?

hm? Humans developed their own FTL engines. The San 'Shyuum discovered a lot of Forerunner tech early on.

It makes sense to colonize and mine additional resources from planets that potentially lead to new technological breakthroughs. Two birds with one stone/colonization. They use mining to cover up so people don't go mad excavating for loot but ONI or whatever secret government agency sneakily decide a lot of stuff behind the scenes.

Well, I'm speaking more to what planets are habitable in the galaxy as to how it would be likely to see left-over tech in the area. Certainly a place that was habitable 100,000 years back might not be currently, but the original statement was scoffing at the idea that there'd be leftover stuff exactly where humans colonized in the current era. I would assume that 100,000 years is kind of a drop in the bucket as far as turning an uninhabitable planet into a habitable one, so if these planets were colonized 100,000 years back, there'd probably be some decent amount of chance for Forerunner to be present (however far the empire spread or due to whatever measures they took to beat back the humans).

I'm not sure where in the fiction if they ever discuss a concerted effort to go after ancient relics (while simultaneously colonizing over the course of 300 years). It was pretty late when they realized the importance of old stuff, like the Sigma Octanus IV artefact, and even then they were dealing with the war, not colonizing. The biggest boost was when they found Trevelyan at the tail end of the war.

 

[Trup1aya]

I remember Cortana or Keyes saying it was a "blind jump" in the beginning of Halo:CE - was this retconned?

I think Keyes legit thought it was a blind jump, but Cortana was just getting her Halsey on...

The real Retcon was the fact that Cortana had already ascertained the location of the Halo ring from information obtained by MC and crew PRIOR to Reach... The Halo: Reach came along and changed that.

 

[Bornstellar]

Missed opportunity 343. You could've set up the story going like Jul Vadama finds an old forerunner relic place. Fucks around and releases Mendicant Bias. All Hell breaks loose with the Guardians. end it with when Chief and others makes it to Mendicant he says "You humans and Forerunners have shown that you are not fit to claim the mantle. It is time that they come home after hiding away for billions of years after the war." Mendicant then sends off a beacon signal

Chief "Where is that signal going?"
Mendicant "It's to call the true holders of the mantle... The Precursors"

Would've been the biggest "Oh Shit!" moment in Halo history imo

Except 99% of people would be like:

 

[Sunset Samurai]

Except 99% of people would be like:

I know and that's the sad part

 

[Toa TAK]

All I know is that we're going to need a boss fight with her at the end of 6 as Master Chief. Probably as she's in a giant Guardian or something like I was hoping for in this game.

 

[LegalEagleMike]

I want a Halo Mass Effect crossover where Cortana and the Star Child ally. And Harbinger assumes direct control of the Warden. THIS HURTS YOU!

 

[BiGBoSSMk23]

Would you be comfortable with the US taking up a similar stance over the planet?

Not a fair comparison since she's a wholly separate entity from humanity.

 

[diaspora]

People are taking her offer at face value, Chief himself recognized that she was lying the second he asked her: "how many people died" to get the guardians in the first place.

 

[Leetums]

Thats like saying that truth was right for wanting to activate all the halos and start fresh. It would be universal utopia, but at what cost? All the life in the galaxy? Nahhh, thats not okay.

 

[Figments]

Or that's not Cortana anymore.

The tendency towards grandiose language, especially went taunting Fireteam Osiris, makes me believe that whatever the fuck the Domain did to Cortana, that isn't Cortana anymore.

 

[Squire]

She's a fascist. I mean, is thre something I missed?

Fabulous redesign though. Jen Taylor is such an underrated actress, too.

 

[NullPointer]

Except 99% of people would be like:

Both Halo 4 and 5 already provide plenty of that.

 

[j-wood]

Do you guys think Microsoft knew what 343 was doing with cortona before they named the windows 10 talking search assistant after her?

I'm thinking they didn't know she was going to be a crazy, bad guy AI

 

[Kalentan]

Halsey correctly pointed out that Chief was emotional compromised by Cortana's involvement and thus was incapable of handling the job. Turns out, she was right as seen in the game with Blue Team ending up in the aforementioned stasis egg.

I feel like this will be the big thing in Halo 6. Can Chief force himself to do what must be done? To destroy the person who was with him from Halo all the way to Requiem.

 

[Squire]

Do you guys think Microsoft knew what 343 was doing with cortona before they named the windows 10 talking search assistant after her?

I'm thinking they didn't know she was going to be a crazy, bad guy AI

I was just wondering the same thing last night. Funny and eerie.

 

[link1201]

People really don't want peace enough to change their actions. I would imagine the idea of a machine telling people how to have peace even if the machine is right wouldn't go over very well. People want to do what they want when and how they want to do it.

 

[Computer]

The game would have been much better if you played as Chief fighting against Locke and a corrupt ONI military. Missed opportunity.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

So basically she wants to end all war and self inflicted suffering throughout the whole galaxy. What's so wrong with that? I mean, wouldn't that just basically be a giant, universal utopia?

The only people that would be subjected to the guardians would be enemies to this idea.

Seriously, what's so wrong with this?

I'm curious how she plans on ending suffering and reaching universal peace. Her intentions may include killing everyone and rebuilding them as AI for all we know.

 

[shireman]

Dat topic title though. C'mon OP...

I disagree. It's obvious that Cortona would be involved from the first teaser trailer. If you're a long time fan you'd know this without seeing a single trailer. If you don't follow Halo then you have no idea who Cortona is. So they just brush by the topic.

And does it really SPOIL the game? Like you're not playing it now. Cortona is shown in the opening cinematic, what exactly are we spoiling?

 

[Kalentan]

I want a Halo Mass Effect crossover where Cortana and the Star Child ally. And Harbinger assumes direct control of the Warden. THIS HURTS YOU!

Pretty sure Cortana would just use the Guardians and destroy the Reapers with little effort.