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[luigimario]

Yes, the racist is the victim here. That poor racist man. The black guy should have tolerated his racism! So much for the "tolerant" left! The black guy is the real racist! He is racist because he.... erm..... didn't let the white guy continue with his first amendment rights! Yeah! That's it! That poor white guy! The racist black guy should be locked up!!!!!!!

Am I doing this right NewNeoGaf?

 

[Grinchy]

There's just never a justification for physical assault just because you hear something you don't like.

Someone can say your wife is ugly, your kids are dumb, your ancestors were better off being melted in that furnace, ect. A lot of really shitty things can be said about you and physical assault is never a justifiable response. It takes some major emotional immaturity to go immediately to that response or even to condone it in other people.

 

[Kadayi]

Nothing to discuss , no situation will ever end well if you call a black person a nigger. It's 2018 past the civil Rights movement and racial equality acts . If you think it's remotely okay to call someone a racial slur in public you are asking for a beating. It's almost a no brainier their is nothing to discuss. It's a word dripping with racial hatred that white people used as a means of oppression for black people.

I haven't seen anyone in the thread advocating that, so I find it rather strange that that's your conclusion.

 

[Dunki]

Yes, the racist is the victim here. That poor racist man. The black guy should have tolerated his racism! So much for the "tolerant" left! The black guy is the real racist! He is racist because he.... erm..... didn't let the white guy continue with his first amendment rights! Yeah! That's it! That poor white guy! The racist black guy should be locked up!!!!!!!

Am I doing this right NewNeoGaf?

The problem with you and many others here is that there is only black and white for or against. while in reality I can be against both and judge based on the severity of each person while then go by our laws. In this thread alone are people in here who are advocating vor murder. How blinded by your political ideologies do you have to be to not realize that this is far from ok.

And this has nothing to do with tolerant left. This has something to do with extremists and their views. And no the black guy is not the real racist And YES the black guy should be locked up for what he did. Have you ever read the law?

 

[quickwhips]

No one should assault anyone over words. People may feel the need to hit but they need to learn self control.

 

[AfricanKing]

I haven't seen anyone in the thread advocating that, so I find it rather strange that that's your conclusion.

Never said anyone was implying that I'm just speaking in general from my own perspective

 

[Cyber Caesar]

Historically and currently black men in America are killed by whites in mass for far less. Racists don't deserve our sympathy.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Mike Kemper, a Ukrainian Village resident, said he witnessed the incident and heard the punched man use several racial slurs before he was hit. When the man was knocked onto the tracks, a black man came over to help him up — but the punched man then yelled racial slurs at the helper and "pretty much anybody he could," Kemper said.

Someone who appeared to be the man's friend "dragged" him away from the situation, Kemper said. The man appeared intoxicated, Kemper said.

Bystanders spoke to the two black men — including the one who punched the man — who had been the target of the man's slurs, asking if they were OK and trying to calm them down.

"Everybody was pretty much on their side," Kemper said. "Everybody pretty much just made they were all right [after] getting verbally abused and whatnot."

People told the men, "'That was kind of crazy. What you did was justified.' He was being insanely racist to everybody," Kemper said.

Kemper saw a police officer speaking to a CTA employee, but he got onto a train and left shortly after the incident.

Pretty much every red flag was crossed.

 

[Catphish]

Seems pretty straight-forward to me.

The white guy had it coming for verbally berating the woman like that. Racist verbage or not, if you get in my woman's / daughter's face in public, especially in a cramped space like that, I'll jack your fucking jaw, and rightly so.

However, the black guy took it too far by hitting the white guy a second time, and endangering his life. Had the white guy died, the black guy would be in jail right now, and rightly so.

Stupidity on both sides.

That'll be 5¢.

 

[Basoes]

Seems pretty straight-forward to me.

The white guy had it coming for verbally berating the woman like that. Racist verbage or not, if you get in my woman's / daughter's face in public, especially in a cramped space like that, I'll jack your fucking jaw, and rightly so.

However, the black guy took it too far by hitting the white guy a second time, and endangering his life. Had the white guy died, the black guy would be in jail right now, and rightly so.

Stupidity on both sides.

That'll be 5¢.

most I can give you is two cents


the guy who punched should rightfully be in jail
the guy who got punched deserved the first one but not the 2nd

 

[KevinKeene]

You really shouldn't get involved in violent confrontation when you do not know the details.

What if you are defending a criminal who was wielding a weapon vs an undercover cop?

That is just a bad take. You are only saying it to counter that guys bad take of being violent. You are not thinking that stance through at all.

What

You absolutely should involve yourself to stop violence if you saw it happen. Doesn't matter what incited the violence, violence is always wrong. Is it really *that* difficult?

Fuck bystanders :/

 

[luigimario]

The problem with you and many others here is that there is only black and white for or against. while in reality I can be against both and judge based on the severity of each person while then go by our laws. In this thread alone are people in here who are advocating vor murder. How blinded by your political ideologies do you have to be to not realize that this is far from ok.

And this has nothing to do with tolerant left. This has something to do with extremists and their views. And no the black guy is not the real racist And YES the black guy should be locked up for what he did. Have you ever read the law?

So in this situation Dunki, who is the victim? Who instigated? What should the appropriate response have been?

I remember the thread recently about an Anti-Fa member getting punched by a neo-nazi, and in that thread everyone who is defending the racist here was cheering the violence......

 

[Dunki]

So in this situation Dunki, who is the victim? Who instigated? What should the appropriate response have been?

I remember the thread recently about an Anti-Fa member getting punched by a neo-nazi, and in that thread everyone who is defending the racist here was cheering the violence......

I will never cheer for violence Sorry to dissapoint you.

LEt us see who the victim is. First of all the woman who was harassed and giving the total power and grade of violence you can not say that the other guy was a victim.

So the victim was the women and the racist afterwards.

MY judgement would be
Racist fine and a record for harasment
Black guy Jail time.

 

[luigimario]

I will never cheer for violence Sorry to dissapoint you.

LEt us see who the victim is. First of all the woman who was harassed and giving the total power and grade of violence you can not say that the other guy was a victim.

So the victim was the women and the racist afterwards.

MY judgement would be
Racist fine and a record for harasment
Black guy Jail time.

But Dunki, after having read some of your previous posts, wouldn't fining the racists and giving him a criminal record make him MORE racist? Black guy Jail time? For getting provoked and delivering ONE punch? Jail time? Jail time for him and a slap on the wrist for the racist? Really mate?

 

[Barsinister]

This may just get passed over, but I want to ask it anyway. Is there a fundamental difference between the different colors of people that we would all be better off if we just stayed away from each other? I don't want to think that is true. What is it that makes us different from one another? I don't believe that I have thoughts or feelings that are unique to me or my skin color alone. What is it? If I'm a man and you're a man, are we not JUST men? Are we ________ men?

 

[Dunki]

But Dunki, after having read some of your previous posts, wouldn't fining the racists and giving him a criminal record make him MORE racist? Black guy Jail time? For getting provoked and delivering ONE punch? Jail time? Jail time for him and a slap on the wrist for the racist? Really mate?

A fine for harassment of the women not your fucking stupid word. Again it is not against the law.

I do not know how often do I have to say it. If you are provoked by words you are the problem not the guy provoking you. How old are you that you get provoked by words? 12?

 

[luigimario]

A fine for harassment of the women not your fucking stupid word. Again it is not against the law.

I do not know how often do I have to say it. If you are provoked by words you are the problem not the guy provoking you. How old are you that you get provoked by words? 12?

Not all words are equal though, are they? Calling someone a "dickhead" isn't quite the same as calling someone the n word is it Dunki.....

 

[Dunki]

Not all words are equal though, are they? Calling someone a "dickhead" isn't quite the same as calling someone the n word is it Dunki.....

When did I say that? But sstill show me how the word is illegal and against the law. Than maybe just maybe you have a case. You got provoked? Thats your fault. You also could walk away show that you are the smarter one but if you go and play the game you have to take responsibility in this case jail time.

 

[Barsinister]

All this talk of rights and not one word about responsibility.

EDIT

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

 

[infinitys_7th]

All this talk of rights and not one word about responsibility.

EDIT

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

We all have an inherent right not to be violently assaulted. There is no responsibility that comes from that other than to not violently assault someone else.

I do think that getting in someone's face and screaming at them warrants being pushed away, but the second punch is too much.

 

[cryptoadam]

Dont use the N word is it that hard?

Either way white people, black people, brown people get into fights every day. Could of gotten his ass beat if he would of called them MFers and cocksuckers. If you gonna step to someone if they step back you better hope you got a stronger jaw then the other guy.

Not condoning violence but if you get in someones face shit usually goes down.

 

[Barsinister]

We all have an inherent right not to be violently assaulted. There is no responsibility that comes from that other than to not violently assault someone else.

I do think that getting in someone's face and screaming at them warrants being pushed away, but the second punch is too much.

Let's make this clear. You and I have, I think, have the ability to push air out of our lungs, through our larynx, and use our mouths and tongues to make sounds that, when passed through another's ear canal, make a sort of sense. Unless there is a physical reason against it, we all have this ability. We also have a personal responsibility while in public to conduct ourselves in a way that is pleasing to those around us. Most of those around us will be strangers, or people we do not know. We have a brain inside of our heads that should be able to govern what comes out of us. How come we can hold in a fart, but for some reason our mouths are beyond our control?

You have a right to utter whatever comes into your mind, I guess. As far as nobody has invented a mind control device yet that can physically stop you. So enjoy your right to say whatever, just expect those strangers around you to react to you. You are not invisible, you will be seen.

 

[Catphish]

Dont use the N word is it that hard?

There are two aisles in my local record store that say, "apparently".

 

[infinitys_7th]

Let's make this clear. You and I have, I think, have the ability to push air out of our lungs, through our larynx, and use our mouths and tongues to make sounds that, when passed through another's ear canal, make a sort of sense. Unless there is a physical reason against it, we all have this ability. We also have a personal responsibility while in public to conduct ourselves in a way that is pleasing to those around us. Most of those around us will be strangers, or people we do not know. We have a brain inside of our heads that should be able to govern what comes out of us. How come we can hold in a fart, but for some reason our mouths are beyond our control?

You have a right to utter whatever comes into your mind, I guess. As far as nobody has invented a mind control device yet that can physically stop you. So enjoy your right to say whatever, just expect those strangers around you to react to you. You are not invisible, you will be seen.

They can telling me to fuck off, and get me out of their personal space. This is legally protected, and rightfully so.

Once I'm out, though, a follow-up punch or kick to the ribs or similar action is not a reciprocal "reaction".

Also,

We also have a personal responsibility while in public to conduct ourselves in a way that is pleasing to those around us.

This is not true.

 

[Barsinister]

They can telling me to fuck off, and get me out of their personal space. This is legally protected, and rightfully so.

Once I'm out, though, a follow-up punch or kick to the ribs or similar action is not a reciprocal "reaction".

Also,



This is not true.

I see you are a proponent of Anarchy. Please enjoy that.

I do see what you mean, actually. I haven't spoken about the other gentleman, yet. The one who did the punching. But, yes, he is beholden to the same social contract that yelling gentleman is. The way I see it, we have two people who don't know how to behave in public. That starts in the home, you know? When you were little running in and out of the clothes racks at the department store and your mother tells you to knock it off. And when you persisted, when you got back to the car and she gave you a smack for embarrassing her. Unless they didn't have mothers. Then I just feel sorry for them.

 

[infinitys_7th]

I see you are a proponent of Anarchy. Please enjoy that.

I do see what you mean, actually. I haven't spoken about the other gentleman, yet. The one who did the punching. But, yes, he is beholden to the same social contract that yelling gentleman is. The way I see it, we have two people who don't know how to behave in public. That starts in the home, you know? When you were little running in and out of the clothes racks at the department store and your mother tells you to knock it off. And when you persisted, when you got back to the car and she gave you a smack for embarrassing her. Unless they didn't have mothers. Then I just feel sorry for them.

What is pleasing is a completely subjective thing.

But the point is that whatever force was applied to the racist guy after removing him from his family's personal space was unnecessary. Force beyond what was necessary to remove him was unnecessary.

 

[Barsinister]

What is pleasing is a completely subjective thing.

But the point is that whatever force was applied to the racist guy after removing him from his family's personal space was unnecessary. Force beyond what was necessary to remove him was unnecessary.

You have a funny way of agreeing with people, I like it! But, don't get in the habit of contradicting yourself in the same post, it makes you look silly.

 

[KevinKeene]

Not all words are equal though, are they? Calling someone a "dickhead" isn't quite the same as calling someone the n word is it Dunki.....

All words are equal in that no word justifies violence.

If someone made terrible jokes about your dead mother right in front of you, that still wouldn't give you the right to use physical violence.

You've got 3 options:

- walk away
- say something back
- call the police

Violence is not an opinion. Well, it's technically, but then you'll be the worse person.

 

[<+)O Robido O(+>]

Well, it's technically, but then you'll be the worse person.

Compared to a racist? Hardly.

 

[John Day]

I don't know in what world i woke up today, where a lot of you peeps are highly shocked to find that if you act like a piece of shit to someone, that someone might punch in the face.

It's not about justifying it, but damn, people are only human. I'm sure he might face the consequences of doing so.

Personally don't condone it, especially where it happened.

But all this no violence kimbaya shit you guys talk, like you were born yesterday and weren't expecting it.... yeah don't buy it.

 

[Barsinister]

All words are equal in that no word justifies violence.

If someone made terrible jokes about your dead mother right in front of you, that still wouldn't give you the right to use physical violence.

You've got 3 options:

- walk away
- sau something back
- call the police

Violence is not an opinion. Well, it's technically, but then you'll be the worse person.

You have a bad argument, and cannot possibly justify what you just wrote. I dismantled it not a few posts above. But just in case, let me ask a question? Does the someone who is making terrible jokes not have means to not make terrible jokes? Is it like tourettes(sp) or something?

Compared to a racist? Hardly.

I don't know you well, but I have read your posts and know a bit about you. I like you. Could we agree that both are wrong? Equally wrong?

 

[KevinKeene]

Compared to a racist? Hardly.

A person using violence is worse than a racist having a thought/verbal ideology, of course.

I an baffled if not shocked that some of you don't understand that ...

 

[JimboJones]

He deserved it, assaulting someone like that is taking a risk but hey humans are emotional creatures.

A work colleagues son was in a similar situation, sectarian assholes wanted her son out of a particular bar because of his religious background, guy stood up for himself, fight ensued and now unfortunately he's in prison for 10 months.

 

[Barsinister]

A person using violence is worse than a racist having a thought/verbal ideology, of course.

I an baffled if not shocked that some of you don't understand that ...

Where are you getting worse from? Nobody is saying, as far as I can see, that one is worse or better than the other. Everyone is mostly saying, "What did the loudmouth expect?"

Remember, we have a responsibility to behave in public. If the guy has a condition, how are we supposed to know? It's a two minute video. I don't have a detailed profile of everyone I see. Do you? Stop talking about your "rights" if you don't want to include the responsibility that comes with them. It makes you seem aggressive.

 

[infinitys_7th]

You have a funny way of agreeing with people, I like it! But, don't get in the habit of contradicting yourself in the same post, it makes you look silly.

I'm agreeing with a part of what you said that aligns with what I believe.

I disagree that people have an inherent responsibility to be "pleasing" to others, because being "pleasing" is subjective. That is the specific phrasing you used.

 

[KevinKeene]

Where are you getting worse from? Nobody is saying, as far as I can see, that one is worse or better than the other. Everyone is mostly saying, "What did the loudmouth expect?"

Remember, we have a responsibility to behave in public. If the guy has a condition, how are we supposed to know? It's a two minute video. I don't have a detailed profile of everyone I see. Do you? Stop talking about your "rights" if you don't want to include the responsibility that comes with them. It makes you seem aggressive.

From my own special ability called 'common sense.

Is it REALLY so hard to understand: person using physical violence is worse than person saying words? Is that REALLY so hard to understand?

If you still refuse to understand that I'll have to assume you're some VOAT-guys trying to get some shits'n giggle out if me.

Sigh ...

 

[Enosh]

So what .. sometimes you need to teach assholes a lesson . If no camears where around I'd beat your ass into the ground . But your white so you won't really understand why saying that word to any black person is asking for a punch in the face

and this is why, if you are in the US, you should conceal carry
you never know what words might set someone off, words that they think justify killing you over

 

[DeepEnigma]

I can't help but think this is a, play stupid games win stupid prizes scenario.

Not that I'm condoning violence as the default option, however somebody spouting off of the mouth in a time where social tension is getting more stressful due to the influx of social media, instigators, etc., that... what did this person expect to happen by acting a fool?

For those in full support of violence as the default option, even to go as far as being apathetic to manslaughter or murder of someone... the video where those Antifa LARPers were protesting outside ICE and calling the cop(s) the n word, do you believe it's justifiable for the cops to Open Season and put two to the chest one to the head of the person who is yelling it?

Is your position consistent based on authority?

 

[Ke0]

Pretty much every red flag was crossed.

He was justified in my opinion. Not sure how anyone on this board can argue those gentlemen should have hugged the guy and sat down and talk to him why yelling racial epithets are wrong. The onus shouldn't be on them to do that

 

[Barsinister]

I infinitys_7th

I am sorry to have to do this to you. You either don't know or don't care about the words you write. So I will help you.

sub·jec·tive
səbˈjektiv/
adjective

1. 1.
   based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
   "his views are highly subjective"
   synonymsersonal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive
   "a subjective analysis"

If being "pleasing" is subjective, than the punch could be considered "pleasing", based on what the puncher opinions on punching is. You want subjective and objective to mean the same thing. They don't. You cannot say anything is wrong if everything is subjective. And don't say you were not arguing that, because you were. Words spoken are subjective but physical actions aren't? You KNOW that is not true, if you will admit it.

EDIT: I don't know were that tongue smiley came from. It was unintentional, do not take it personal.

 

[KevinKeene]

I can't help but think this is a, play stupid games win stupid prizes scenario.

Not that I'm condoning violence as the default option, however somebody spouting off of the mouth in a time where social tension is getting more stressful due to the influx of social media, instigators, etc., that... what did this person expect to happen by acting a fool?

For those in full support of violence as the default option, even to go as far as being apathetic to manslaughter or murder of someone... the video where those Antifa LARPers were protesting outside ICE and calling the cop(s) the n word, do you believe it's justifiable for the cops to Open Season and put two to the chest one to the head of the person who is yelling it?

Is your position consistent based on authority?

Nah, murder is only okay when it's "murdering down".

/s

 

[infinitys_7th]

I am sorry to have to do this to you. You either don't know or don't care about the words you write. So I will help you.

sub·jec·tive
səbˈjektiv/
adjective

1. 1.
   based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
   "his views are highly subjective"
   synonymsersonal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive
   "a subjective analysis"

If being "pleasing" is subjective, than the punch could be considered "pleasing", based on what the puncher opinions on punching is. You want subjective and objective to mean the same thing. They don't. You cannot say anything is wrong if everything is subjective. And don't say you were not arguing that, because you were. Words spoken are subjective but physical actions aren't? You KNOW that is not true, if you will admit it.

Punching someone actual harms someone, though. At minimum it will cause physical pain, usually it will burst some blood vessels and cause a bruise.

An ethical responsibility to not harm someone who is not harming you is different from an ethical responsibility to display "pleasing" behavior. The former requires you to NOT impose your will onto others. The latter requires you to allow others to impose their will upon you.

 

[highrider]

I understand the reaction, I spent the majority of my life handling things in a physical way. Unfortunately, the conclusion of that action is assault charges and eventually jail time. You enter the realm of people that use physical violence and power to handle the things life throws at them. And you will find out if you really are about that life.

 

[Barsinister]

From my own special ability called 'common sense.

Is it REALLY so hard to understand: person using physical violence is worse than person saying words? Is that REALLY so hard to understand?

If you still refuse to understand that I'll have to assume you're some VOAT-guys trying to get some shits'n giggle out if me.

Sigh ...

Here is what I know. I have read your posts, I know you are depressed and wish you well. To me you are an individual, not just a "Captain Nintendo" avatar. I am saying that they are equally bad, just so you know. I am talking about everybody being responsible for their own selves. I don't know what a VOAT is, I am sorry. I assume you think it is bad, so I don't want you to think that of me. I am just a guy, talking to people on the internet before my wife decides she wants to go shopping.

 

[<+)O Robido O(+>]

person using physical violence is worse than person saying words?

To you. I'd rather live in a world where assholes stay silent in fear of a bloody lip. Kinda like what we have now. Only on the internet is there much hand wringing about assholes getting punched. I bet you everyone that was there saw that shit coming, shrugged and went about their day. No one cares about racists except freezepeach fanboys on the interwebs.

 

[Barsinister]

Punching someone actual harms someone, though. At minimum it will cause physical pain, usually it will burst some blood vessels and cause a bruise.

An ethical responsibility to not harm someone who is not harming you is different from an ethical responsibility to display "pleasing" behavior. The former requires you to NOT impose your will onto others. The latter requires you to allow others to impose their will upon you.

In this instance, changing the words you use does not make you right. I have a question I usually use at this point when someone is being belligerent, and if you look in other posts of mine you will see that I use it right about now. Would you like to swing on a star?

 

[Dunki]

To you. I'd rather live in a world where assholes stay silent in fear of a bloody lip. Kinda like what we have now. Only on the internet is there much hand wringing about assholes getting punched. I bet you everyone that was there saw that shit coming, shrugged and went about their day. No one cares about racists except freezepeach fanboys on the interwebs.

And then you are living in a fascist state congratulations.

 

[KevinKeene]

Here is what I know. I have read your posts, I know you are depressed and wish you well. To me you are an individual, not just a "Captain Nintendo" avatar. I am saying that they are equally bad, just so you know. I am talking about everybody being responsible for their own selves. I don't know what a VOAT is, I am sorry. I assume you think it is bad, so I don't want you to think that of me. I am just a guy, talking to people on the internet before my wife decides she wants to go shopping.

I just honestly cannot understand putting physical violence and mean words on equal footing. Tbh I don't want to understand that.

And I'm glad you're not a VOATer. Terrible place.

 

[Barsinister]

I just honestly cannot understand putting physical violence and mean words on equal footing. Tbh I don't want to understand that.

And I'm glad you're not a VOATer. Terrible place.

When you close yourself off to learning new things, you will stagnate. It takes some humility to learn new things. I learned today not to say things to people that may get me punched. It was a refresher course, but it was still useful.

We have a President, in America, that calls himself a stable genius. I, unfortunately, am fated to be an unstable one. You might be one too, if you look into it. Luckily, I have what could be called a "moral compass", so I don't worry about becoming a supervillan.

 

[Tumle]

Compared to a racist? Hardly.

Then on the same level?
I hate violent people as much as I hat racists.. you can't build a modern civilisation with either of them..
And they are both a danger to civilised people..