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And then went on to justify why violence was a good option in this case. šŸ˜‚
No I said that if the guy wouldn't have been a racist sack of shit then there would have been no violence at all. There is a difference.


He has no one to blame but himself. He put himself in that position by being a racist scumbag.
 
No I said that if the guy wouldn't have been a racist sack of shit then there would have been no violence at all. There is a difference.


He has no one to blame but himself. He put himself in that position by being a racist scumbag.

There's more of that victim blaming again.
 
It's a black power fist. I'll say it again: the mask of civility always slips. This is why so many of us don't fall for the tolerance and equality rhetoric. It's a manipulative, hypocritical front for a more sinister ideology.

Just when I think I'm out....

That was not what I asked. But I will explain it to you. His previous avatar was a blank face. Why was the face blank? What does it feel like to perceive that you have no mouth? Why would you feel that way?

I'm not asking you to tell me what's going on inside his head, I'm asking you to display empathy. I don't want to get aggressive anymore with you all. I like everybody here. But it makes me feel like I got a heat lamp directed at my face when I read some of the things posted here.

You don't have to agree, you just need to understand. Does that make sense to you?
 
Just when I think I'm out....

That was not what I asked. But I will explain it to you. His previous avatar was a blank face. Why was the face blank? What does it feel like to perceive that you have no mouth? Why would you feel that way?

I'm not asking you to tell me what's going on inside his head, I'm asking you to display empathy. I don't want to get aggressive anymore with you all. I like everybody here. But it makes me feel like I got a heat lamp directed at my face when I read some of the things posted here.

You don't have to agree, you just need to understand. Does that make sense to you?

You're my new favourite troll.
 
You're my new favourite troll.


I hope this makes you happy to think of me like that. But know this, I am sincere. I am playful in my posts, but I mean every word that I write. I invite you to go through my post history, you will find that is the truth.

I think if we granted each other a little more humanity, things wouldn't get so out of hand here like they did before. I think you are a kind and thoughtful person. I know that you would never say anything hurtful in a deliberate way. You are standing up to a principle that you hold dear. You are willing to die for it. I admire that. I also admire some others in this thread who will also die for the things that they believe in. This is a very emotional topic. I feel a bit foolish thinking that I could help the healing in some way. But if we don't try, how can we ever succeed?
 
Jesus, some of you just dont fit into the ideas of western values of civil discourse.

Are we barbarians? The fist is a long forgotten means to end a problem. The fist is a defensive measure. Keep throwing hands...the victorious will keep crushing you under the weight of the rule of law, politics, social policy media depictions, etc..

The wild west is long gone..now you destroy your enemies via social constructs, manipulation of the laws and constructs we use to imprison those who oppose.
 
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There's more of that victim blaming again.
Its not victim blaming to say that him saying the N-word directly led to the situation.


Thats literally stating reality. Also you trying to paint the racist as an innocent victim who did nothing wrong is rather hilarious actually lol
 
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Its not victim blaming to say that him saying the N-word directly led to the situation.


Thats literally stating reality.

If a woman walks through Central Park at midnight in a bikini, is it her fault if she is raped? Her action directly led to a crime being perpetrated against her. Just trying to establish your logic.
 
Its not victim blaming to say that him saying the N-word directly led to the situation.


Thats literally stating reality.

well the video seems to start after what initially happened and the puncher seems to be the aggressor the whole time

saying something racist isnt the be all end all like some of our insecure friends would like you to believe. i mean sure it sucks it was thrown around but if you cant handle a word welp life will be hard for you
 
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If a woman walks through Central Park at midnight in a bikini, is it her fault if she is raped? Her action directly led to a crime being perpetrated against her. Just trying to establish your logic.

You cannot actually be sitting there with a straight face and be using fucking RAPE as a comparison to some racist throwing around the N-word and getting smacked for it.


You are joking right?
 
If you believe you have the right to be an asshole and say whatever venom comes out of your mouth fine but don't cry about the consequences.
 
I guess at the end of the day white people dont understand words that lead to violent out burst.
We will never get it and that's understandable.
on.
 
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If you believe you have the right to be an asshole and say whatever venom comes out of your mouth fine but don't cry about the consequences.

Exactly. Just because people SHOULDN'T use violence doesn't mean they won't. Its hardly surprising some white guy using the N-word in a public place gets punched for it.

Like I said before violence is not the best option, but its hardly a surprising one given the circumstances.
 
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Exactly. Just because people SHOULDN'T use violence doesn't mean they won't. Its hardly surprising some white guy using the N-word in a public place gets punched for it.

Like I said before violence is not the best option, but its hardly a surprising one given the circumstances.


then why do all the liberals get pissed off when antifa gets their asses whooped. its the same logic yall just hypocrites
 
then why do all the liberals get pissed off when antifa gets their asses whooped. its the same logic yall just hypocrites
No. Protestors being attacked is not the same as some racist getting hit for calling someone the N-word.


Thats not the same thing.
 
the right to be an asshole doesnt magically bring up the right to harm someone. they arent equal.

Intellectually, you are correct. But, you are a human and not a Vulcan, right? You do have emotions, yes? Imagine someone yelling in your face. Calling you something that you find repulsive. Be in the moment, if you are able. If you are a man, you will react, yes? Even if you know it's intellectually wrong, can in the heat of the moment you make a mistake? Do we know if the guy who punched regrets doing it? I haven't heard, have you? He may be willing to take the punishment for his actions.

@PKM , I don't like when the Marxists do it and I don't like when you do it either. Stop abstracting your fellow humans into monsters. Find religion, take a class, do something with your time instead of filling your heart with hate for the "other". It is not healthy for you. I don't want to live in a socialist utopia, believe me. But understanding is a two way street.
 
then why do all the liberals get pissed off when antifa gets their asses whooped. its the same logic yall just hypocrites

I'm pretty hardcore liberal and I'm pretty up on things. I don't even know who Antifa is, again they sound like a conveniently made target for right wingers to hate.
 
And to be fair both parties were expecting war, but celebrating an antifa guy getting knocked out by a violent gang is not exactly cool.
 
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I don't know if I would call it privilege, but let me make up a story off the top of my head.

Me and Corrik Corrik were pretty close. In confidence he told me he had a tiny penis. I said, "So what?"

He kept insisting that it was important to him and it made him feel insecure sometimes. "Watch, I'll show you," he told me. He led me back into the party from the back patio where we were talking.

He then proceeded to say to our group,"Hey! Aren't tiny penises funny?"

The group then started laughing and agreeing with Corrik Corrik , yep it's pretty pathetic for a man to have a small package.

I knew, at that moment the shame he hides.

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It's not a one to one analogy. But, the emotions fit.
I still do not get the point of it. Maybe you should have tried that.

So a person who is part Native American was offended because people upon hearing it were trying to make them feel welcome and like it was a cool thing. And, the person took it as offensive and thus was upset about it?

I mean, your analogy clearly states that the girl had a problem with being native American, not the people there. (Or small penises in your supposed retelling).

If anything, I think it goes to show how people are trying to make people feel welcome and that something interesting about them is cool and people are so worried about being supposed slights that they take it the wrong way.
 
I'm pretty hardcore liberal and I'm pretty up on things. I don't even know who Antifa is, again they sound like a conveniently made target for right wingers to hate.

if you dont know who they are why are you responding to me telling me you dont know who they are google it son

And to be fair both parties were expecting war, but celebrating an antifa guy getting knocked out by a violent gang is not exactly cool.

neither situations are 'cool' but hypocrisy is everywhere
 
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No. Protestors being attacked is not the same as some racist getting hit for calling someone the N-word.


Thats not the same thing.

You are arguing in bad faith at this point and it is wrong to do. Admit that your "protestors" are wrong in their aggressive ways and we can find a middle way. If you really want to get your point across, give the man his due.
 
My comment was towards @BraveOne and his stance that seems to say that it was sad that the guy did not die and also his posts where it looks like he thinks killing someone over a slur is a proper response.

Deliberately killing someone is way different and worse than punching someone.

Ah! Excuse me.

And yes, Deliberately killing someone is different and worse than punching someone.


If the root of anger is misunderstanding, and the goal of teaching a lesson is to ensure it is passed to others, killing someone doesn't ensure the lesson is taught in the sense that it ends with that person.


However the lesson of calling someone an offensive term as such is too widely known to believe the lesson wasn't passed to this individual.

If for instance @BraveOne was named Richard and you called him Dick after learning of his name and he didn't like to be called Dick, I would believe his stance on the methods to handle the situation would be much different. He would probably be "Please don't call me Dick, I prefer Richard." and you would probably respect his wishes and you two would go on being friends forever, because you learned the lesson he didn't like to be called Dick.


The problem here is that everyone knows saying that word is extremely inappropriate. The "lash" out aspect of it is the repercussion of generation after generation of trying to teach people the same lesson over and over again.

What does it take, what ends are needed to ensure a world in which this situation never happens again.

I don't care what anyone says, words can be, and have been, more powerful than weapons of our own making at times.

It's not my place to say I understand racism, but I've seen the black and white photos, I've heard the stories, I read the pages of journals. I have an idea of the terrible existence that faces people who find themselves living in a time, where their very essence of human dignity is being robbed at the hands of a superiority complex by their very own kin. It is not a fate I would wish on my worst enemy.


PS. Maybe I am out of line I don't know.

I find the degradation of men, even in the first page of this thread, to be offensive. Doesn't mean I'm going to go out and punch feminists.

I saw the post.

I am here to say, that by no means you are to actively engage is such actions.


However, I will say, If you're sitting on a park bench listening to CKY, enjoying a fruitsicle and someone pops off on unwarrented man hating and ruins your peaceful afternoon in the park, and you just happen to sock em in the dome?

I'm just going to continue to eat my vegan coney island dog and not say a peep.
 
You are arguing in bad faith at this point and it is wrong to do. Admit that your "protestors" are wrong in their aggressive ways and we can find a middle way. If you really want to get your point across, give the man his due.
Unless you wanna give me a specific example that I can comment on I am not gonna make sweeping generalizations about protesters. They are not all under the same banner. Some are peaceful and some are not. Some are rightfully protesting injustices and some are just being assholes protesting to take rights away from people.


I need specific examples if you are wanting me to condemn something.
 
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Unless you wanna give me a specific example that I can comment on I am not gonna make sweeping generalizations about protesters. They are not all under the same banner. Some are peaceful and some are not. Some are rightfully protesting injustices and some are just being assholes.


I need specific examples if you are wanting me to condemn something.

now youre just being disingenuous
 
I still do not get the point of it. Maybe you should have tried that.

So a person who is part Native American was offended because people upon hearing it were trying to make them feel welcome and like it was a cool thing. And, the person took it as offensive and thus was upset about it?

I mean, your analogy clearly states that the girl had a problem with being native American, not the people there. (Or small penises in your supposed retelling).

If anything, I think it goes to show how people are trying to make people feel welcome and that something interesting about them is cool and people are so worried about being supposed slights that they take it the wrong way.


Why would the girl have a problem with who she is? No, that is not the point. It was meant to be a more raw emotional tale. You were meant to only view things from my eyes, not hers, not the other people. I asked you not to analyze it too hard. Maybe you just have to have been there. It looses something in the telling. I didn't know, because I never told it before. I never shared that with anyone before.

The song was racist, or so it seemed at the time. It felt like this.....They could say things to this girl, things that made her uncomfortable. It was ok though, they were her friends. But were they? She never let on like she was upset. She laughed and it was amazing thing to see. I got to see what it was like for her. I could never really get closer to that then just in that moment. I knew I would never feel like that. Maybe if I lived in another country, and everyone was a different shade than me. I don't know. I'm sorry for including you in my made up story. It really was to try to get you emotionally invested. I don't know how big your penis is. I hope you are happy with its size.
 
Unless you wanna give me a specific example that I can comment on I am not gonna make sweeping generalizations about protesters. They are not all under the same banner. Some are peaceful and some are not. Some are rightfully protesting injustices and some are just being assholes protesting to take rights away from people.


I need specific examples if you are wanting me to condemn something.


How bout this one? It work for you?



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Turns out the masked man was a teacher.
 
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if you dont know who they are why are you responding to me telling me you dont know who they are google it son

You're missing the point...I don't believe they are really liberals. Someone hired thugs to show up at BLM rallies to make them look bad I wouldn't put it past right wingers to make a phony organization to hate.
 
It's quiet, I think all the Russian bots and trolls have retired for now.

Is this even truly a thing? This seems to be the leftist method of dismissing anti-authoritarian centrist or right commentary. I see this whole Russian troll accusation thing on other sites too, товарищ.
 
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You're missing the point...I don't believe they are really liberals. Someone hired thugs to show up at BLM rallies to make them look bad I wouldn't put it past right wingers to make a phony organization to hate.

once again hypocrasy. you dont think they are liberals and probably wouldnt associate then with liberals based on a number of things. now on the other side im sure there are undesirables that lets say "proud boys" are associated and probably wouldnt like to be just for the sake of people need something to fuel their shitty actions theyll make a bogus connection. im not defending them as im sure they suck but im making too much sense here for it to be a coincidence
 
You cannot actually be sitting there with a straight face and be using fucking RAPE as a comparison to some racist throwing around the N-word and getting smacked for it.


You are joking right?

No, I'm not, but I'm trying to establish your logic and operating bounds.
 
It's more than a week since the Fourth of July. I still got neighbors blowing up what seems like dynamite every night. I want to go over there and throttle those nimrods. Two nights ago, one went off so loud it woke me out of a dead sleep. He isn't doing anything "wrong". But I can't stand him. I think he's a mouth breathing moron, who likes to blow stuff up real good. I sometimes wish he would blow himself up, you know? I feel bad for thinking that, but I do. I'm only human. I have my limits.

Okay yeah thats not okay.

Now, do what's right and give him an apology. You don't have to make it public if you don't want. We will think better of you if you do, though.
 
Why would the girl have a problem with who she is? No, that is not the point. It was meant to be a more raw emotional tale. You were meant to only view things from my eyes, not hers, not the other people. I asked you not to analyze it too hard. Maybe you just have to have been there. It looses something in the telling. I didn't know, because I never told it before. I never shared that with anyone before.

The song was racist, or so it seemed at the time. It felt like this.....They could say things to this girl, things that made her uncomfortable. It was ok though, they were her friends. But were they? She never let on like she was upset. She laughed and it was amazing thing to see. I got to see what it was like for her. I could never really get closer to that then just in that moment. I knew I would never feel like that. Maybe if I lived in another country, and everyone was a different shade than me. I don't know. I'm sorry for including you in my made up story. It really was to try to get you emotionally invested. I don't know how big your penis is. I hope you are happy with its size.
So was she actually upset and offended or are you attributing that to her? You said she never let on like she was upset and was laughing?

I am just saying, I think too often people are looking for slights instead of understanding intents. Singing a song they probably heard as children from a Disney movie in regards to their friend in order to make them laugh or feel welcome is probably, not in my estimation, coming from a bad place.

Too many people are looking for slights when people are trying to be nice. Like, if the song is racist (hell if I know, I don't know the song) or not could be a big issue. But, singing a song with the intent to hurt due to understanding its racist words versus singing a song you heard as a kid in a children's movie to make your friend laugh is a whole other ball game.

And, if she is offended and among friends, I have zero doubt that she could simply say, "Hey, I appreciate the gesture and all but that song is like gella racist. Do you think we could refrain from singing that song?".

And then you would have probably had a drunken discussion on how it is racist and how their minds are blown the song was in a disney movie if it undoubtedly is so.
 
Now, do what's right and give him an apology. You don't have to make it public if you don't want. We will think better of you if you do, though.
Wait you want the guy who punched the racist to apologize to the racist? lol
 
I don't know about you guys but I teach my kids to not resort to violence if they get teased.
Did your parents give you all exceptions to the rule depending on if it was a big tease or a little tease in your mind?
 
Is this even truly a thing? This seems to be the leftist method of dismissing anti-authoritarian centrist or right commentary. I see this whole Russian troll accusation thing on other sites too, товарищ.
P sure its a shitpost
 
MODERATION NOTE: Going forward please let's try to stir away from inciting image of violence. This behavior is counter productive to healthy discussion. Thank you.

Unfortunate no train was coming.

Call me a nigger .. your life will be in immediate danger

Why would anyone call you a nigger? I thought you were an Arab?

No need to apologise for mathematics that came from my Arabian brothers are to thank for that one.. but apology accepted
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/why-...-people-so-much.1463314/page-3#post-253313161

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So was she actually upset and offended or are you attributing that to her? You said she never let on like she was upset and was laughing?

I am just saying, I think too often people are looking for slights instead of understanding intents. Singing a song they probably heard as children from a Disney movie in regards to their friend in order to make them laugh or feel welcome is probably, not in my estimation, coming from a bad place.

Too many people are looking for slights when people are trying to be nice. Like, if the song is racist (hell if I know, I don't know the song) or not could be a big issue. But, singing a song with the intent to hurt due to understanding its racist words versus singing a song you heard as a kid in a children's movie to make your friend laugh is a whole other ball game.

And, if she is offended and among friends, I have zero doubt that she could simply say, "Hey, I appreciate the gesture and all but that song is like gella racist. Do you think we could refrain from singing that song?".

And then you would have probably had a drunken discussion on how it is racist and how their minds are blown the song was in a disney movie if it undoubtedly is so.




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We never spoke about it after. I just got a peek. What could I say?
 
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The rampant pearl clutching under the guise of concern about free speech or the rule of law would be hilarious if it weren't so transparently hypocritical. Unless you guys never go outside or interact socially with actual people; a racist getting punched in his face should not be a surprise.
 
The rampant pearl clutching under the guise of concern about free speech or the rule of law would be hilarious if it weren't so transparently hypocritical. Unless you guys never go outside or interact socially with actual people; a racist getting punched in his face should not be a surprise.

Yeah I know. Is it wrong? Yeah you can definitely make that argument if you wanted to. But is it surprising given the situation? Not even close lol
 
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