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I think it like flickers with the other ghosts like every other frame or something. It was supposed to be unportable.
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- Thread starter Damon Bennet
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I think it like flickers with the other ghosts like every other frame or something. It was supposed to be unportable.
PS1 Quake II?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUHudbgxWfY
Had dual analog controls, 4 player split screen, and ran at 60 fps I believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUHudbgxWfY
Had dual analog controls, 4 player split screen, and ran at 60 fps I believe.
Sohter.Nura
Member
I'm at work, but man, where the hell is Castle of Illusion for the Master System 
what about Toshinden for the GB? I heard it turned out quite well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8pxUyuwrW4
I still have this game CIB (complete in box). It was really good.
Yeah, we had/played this. We all knew PC Quake was way better, but it's not easy for kids to get a LAN going and very few of us had good PCs or even Internet. 4 player PS Quake 2 wasn't so bad.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
I never tried 4-player Q2 on PS1, but I did have loads of fun with splitscreen 2-player. All in all it was a surprisingly good port. I do wonder why they never ported Q1 to PS1 though, considering the PS1 was better at handling 3D than the Saturn was.
I'm at work, but man, where the hell is Castle of Illusion for the Master System
Already mentioned
And both I and the other guy who mentioned it agreed that the MS version is the best version.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Odyssey 2 did a better game around the same time that was a Pac-Man rip off. But it was better than Pac-Man!
Odyssey 2 did a better game around the same time that was a Pac-Man rip off. But it was better than Pac-Man!
At least they got the proper background color.
KojiKnight
Member
Hahahaha..... what? Nintendo didn't switch gears, the GBA was a very cheap machine... During the same time frame, there were ARM variants pushing 600mhz (I know, I had a dell axim at the time that was 400mhz and I could OC it to 630 and it was considered low end). The GBA was pushing a full 16mhz. The same axim (I think) had 64MB of RAM (maybe 32), where as the GBA had 256KB. There was definitely a reason there weren't many 3D games.
Instead of trying to attack Nintendo on "switching gears" when they didn't, you should instead be massively praising those developers that were able to achieve so much IN SPITE of the limitations.
Incredibly excellent
KojiKnight
Member
People mentioned GB/C versus NES earlier....
The z80 processor in the GB was probably on par or maybe even a little better than the NES 6502 in pure processing power (remembering the GB came out some 6 years after the original Famicom came out), and about 4x as much memory as the NES and allowed for MUCH larger carts (up to 8mb). The NES had quite a few games that had additional memory and hardware built into the cart (known as mappers). It was these mappers on certain games that outpaced the gameboy in many instances.
The original GB was also aided/hindered by the fact that it was limited to 2-bit color (4 shades of grey) which very much simplified it's graphics versus the 6-bit color (64 shades of color) the NES could handle.
The GBC easily mopped the floor with 15-bit color (approximately 32,000 colors, same as the SNES) but was limited to how many it could show at once (either 16 in compatibility mode or 96 in "color" mode). That was the only thing it did very well though, since the z80 processor (while double clocked to 8mhz) at that point was quite ancient, and the rest of the GB innards were also showing their age (sound channels, lack of layer support in hardware, etc). Couple that with it still be limited to the GB's miniscule resolution (160x144 I believe...) it makes it seem at times like the GBC was barely on par with the regular NES...
The z80 processor in the GB was probably on par or maybe even a little better than the NES 6502 in pure processing power (remembering the GB came out some 6 years after the original Famicom came out), and about 4x as much memory as the NES and allowed for MUCH larger carts (up to 8mb). The NES had quite a few games that had additional memory and hardware built into the cart (known as mappers). It was these mappers on certain games that outpaced the gameboy in many instances.
The original GB was also aided/hindered by the fact that it was limited to 2-bit color (4 shades of grey) which very much simplified it's graphics versus the 6-bit color (64 shades of color) the NES could handle.
The GBC easily mopped the floor with 15-bit color (approximately 32,000 colors, same as the SNES) but was limited to how many it could show at once (either 16 in compatibility mode or 96 in "color" mode). That was the only thing it did very well though, since the z80 processor (while double clocked to 8mhz) at that point was quite ancient, and the rest of the GB innards were also showing their age (sound channels, lack of layer support in hardware, etc). Couple that with it still be limited to the GB's miniscule resolution (160x144 I believe...) it makes it seem at times like the GBC was barely on par with the regular NES...
It's more that developers forgot how to make GB games look nice. Most games were trying to replicate the complex look of 32-bit games on an 8-bit machine, making them look super blocky. GBC games bever seem to have the black outline goodness of GB and NES games.
KojiKnight
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That's because in GB games you only had 4 colors
the outline usually had to be black.In GBC games since the resolution is so ridiculously low the choice of adding a black outline or having sprites in color meant you either had to make larger sprites (exceeded 8x8) which were more difficult to manage with it's still very limited amount of ram and processing power AND having to give up very essential and limited screen space OR simply replacing those outlines with simple color
It wasn't about developers choosing the styles they did, it was more or less forced on them because of the systems limitations.
DonMigs85
Member
The first Axim in 2002 had a 300MHz Intel XScale (based on ARM5) and 32MB RAM.
Fairly powerful for the time but of course much more expensive than GBA.
Also, I'd heard stories that the 66MHz ARM9 in the DS couldn't really be used to its full potential due to some bug/design oversight and many games relied heavily on the 33MHz ARM7.
Oyashrio-Sama
Member
Believe it or not there was actually a pretty faithful port of the first Dragon's Lair for the GBC.
Here's a video:
http://youtu.be/T4DZcWbFZCc
Had no idea this existed... thats crazy!
Cyberquake
Member
Such a good downport, blew my mind as a kid.
My first game <3
RelentlessRolento
Member
Max Payne Advance was fucking brilliant
played the shit outa this... so fucking good.
Oyashrio-Sama
Member
Lol at Leon's walking animation. Haters gonna hate.
MrCunningham
Member
That's because in GB games you only had 4 colors
In GBC games since the resolution is so ridiculously low the choice of adding a black outline or having sprites in color meant you either had to make larger sprites (exceeded 8x8) which were more difficult to manage with it's still very limited amount of ram and processing power AND having to give up very essential and limited screen space OR simply replacing those outlines with simple color
The GBC still had that four colour limitation. Transparent sprites are limited to three colours total and one colour for transparency. Solid background tiles could only have four colours total per tile. Even though it could display 96 colours or whatever, it was still limited in the same way as the original GB. But the color limitations of the original GameBoy were much less noticeable because it was all in greyscale.
There were very few examples where game sprites would go over the three colour limitation in GBC games, Shantea was one of them. Her sprite was made out of six colours, but to achieve this they had to construct her out of three sprites total (head, hair and torso).
Yeah his walking animation was pretty ridiculous, but the demo still showed a lot of promise
And that Max Payne port was pretty damn awesome for the GBA. I was blown away with how much recorded voice dialogue they managed to cram into it (even though it was a little muffled). They managed to retain almost every graphic novel cut scene from the PC game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4ZgpOvky6c
Yes!
Damon Bennet
Member
Also:
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Ulalas Cosmic Attack on Game Boy Advance. As a huge sucker for the dreamcast games, I needed to play this. It has no voice acting (besides the commands while dancing, of course) and the soundtrack are pretty bad mini versions of the original tracks.
It works all in all and is an interesting recreation of the original game, but they could have done more, to make it quite a bit better.
Ulalas Cosmic Attack on Game Boy Advance. As a huge sucker for the dreamcast games, I needed to play this. It has no voice acting (besides the commands while dancing, of course) and the soundtrack are pretty bad mini versions of the original tracks.
It works all in all and is an interesting recreation of the original game, but they could have done more, to make it quite a bit better.
Along those lines, Bionic Commando NES beats the everliving shit out of Bionic Commando Arcade.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
isn't this an up-port?
Loved the GBA version of THPS 2.
Capcom is pretty good in porting over their console content towards handheld devices; every Street Fighter for Nintendo portables are great. Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition is a great portdown. Even Resident Evil The Mercenaries 3D looks and plays great.
Capcom is pretty good in porting over their console content towards handheld devices; every Street Fighter for Nintendo portables are great. Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition is a great portdown. Even Resident Evil The Mercenaries 3D looks and plays great.
ss_lemonade
Member
Virtua Fighter 2 on the Saturn seemed like an amazing achievement. Looked really good.
Speaking of Virtua Fighter, here's a hilarious game I once encountered in a random shop here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Y7rcuQeyE
Speaking of Virtua Fighter, here's a hilarious game I once encountered in a random shop here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Y7rcuQeyE
Weltall Zero
Member
Also, Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine
PC to N64 to GBC
The N64 version actually looked better than the PC one.
Well, depending on when in the N64 lifecycle it was released, the N64 might be a far more powerful machine than any PC of the time.
It's not, the graphical quality is noticeably worse (the DS is generally not as powerful as an N64, it's just that a longer lifecycle and being much later in the timeline makes for far better use of what it has). Still, for me it's not a very good port, as nothing can make up for the loss of an analog stick, not even emulating it with the touchscreen.
My picks would have to go the GBA SFA3 and Tekken 3. The later seemed like it shouldn't exist, considering they had to sprite-animate (or perhaps digitize) the encyclopaedic moveset of a 3D fighter, then cram all those sprites in a few megabyte cart (not to speak load them into memory for the fights themselves). It felt like an amazing accomplishment. Indeed, the GBA was truly tapped to its full potential; I don't think many developers do that anymore with more recent hardware.
Speaking of portable fighters, I think this is by far the one I've sunk the most hours into:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR-RbPWazto
I'm very partial to it, frankly. Everything felt perfect and the style was simply awesome.
BTW, holy crap if finding a video of this game that wasn't choppy as all hell wasn't like a RPG quest. Not perfect by any shot but not a goddamn slideshow like most videos, I wonder if the emulator is simply that bad?
Shadow of the BEAST
Banned
30fps.
But absolutely amazing feat. Considering how bad psone was at 360 degree graphics. Very solid graphics.
neo2046
Member
all the Model 2 to SS downport were also so awesome
Daytona USA
Virtua Cop 2
Virtua Fighter 2
Last Bronx
Sega Rally Championship
Fighting Vipers
House of the Dead
Virtual On
Dynamite Cop
etc.
I miss that time's Sega so much
A rom with this game was released few months ago and you can find it somewhere on the Internet.
Apparently the game is slow, really slooooow.
Damon Bennet
Member
Rayman Advance was, I believe, a launch title for the GBA and it was a good port of the first Rayman game. The only problems were some missing sounds and a few levels and the aspect ratio made it hard to see.
The Rayman games on GBC were also excellent.
i felt that rayman advance, while looking great, was unplayable. rayman was always difficult and with the huge rayman sprite, there was so little screen estate left, that it got frustrating pretty quickly to time jumps and attacks without dieing
MisterHero
Super Member
Fast? Responsive? It looks like a faster version of VF2 Genesis but Heihachi has his proper animation.
Granted that was only a few characters but it looks pretty good for a bootleg.
One of my favourite fighters. I spent a fortune playing the arcade version. I own it for the Saturn. Which is weird because I don't even own one.
It's weird, I played all three Sims GBA games and loved them but I never really thought of them as RPGs, yet now that you say it I realize it. They're RPGs without battles!
There was a beta of Yoshi's Story rolling around, but it never made it into a full game. Shame...
What.
Sounds like you either haven't even tried the 360/PS3 version or you simply dislike the Sonic franchise, because what you said doesn't make sense.
hikarutilmitt
Member
Amusing because that "arcade" picture is from the PSP version. I suppose that's a testament to the PSP version being so goddamned good, though.Also Street Fighter Alpha 3 GBA holy god.This blew my goddamn mind.
The DC versions has a bunch of really weird glitches and was back ported to the Naomi arcade hardware as SFZ3 Upper, but for a port of the "original" SFZ3 the Saturn (and I suppose PS2 Anthology port) is the best one.While the GBA version has an exclusive character or two, versus the earlier releases, the best pre-PSP version surely has to be the Dreamcast release. Well, except for those people who insist that the Saturn version is better...
Damon Bennet
Member
There was a beta of Yoshi's Story rolling around, but it never made it into a full game. Shame...
What.
Sounds like you either haven't even tried the 360/PS3 version or you simply dislike the Sonic franchise, because what you said doesn't make sense.
holy moly, game boy advance is full of surprises
lol, Crazy Eddie was the fucking SHIT back in the day!
what about Toshinden for the GB? I heard it turned out quite well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8pxUyuwrW4
The Japanese version of this is one of the first ROMs I've ever d/led, way back when... and still the only Toushinden game I've ever played. I hear it's the best one of the series though!
A Black Falcon
Member
One odd thing about the Odyssey is the colors... that is, on my SD CRT TV, KC Munchkin appears with a blue field. On my HDTV though (RP-CRT), Odyssey colors are all off, and the field appears purple. Now the HDTV has a few issues, but still, I don't have any other system where the colors change so dramatically between screens... kind of odd. Oh well. I think the field is actually supposed to be blue, that's how it looks on the cover and the screenshots on the box/manual.
GB Toshinden is surprisingly fun, but it's not a downport, it's a completely different game based on the same franchise. I mean, it's a side-view, 2d fighter. It is my favorite Toshinden game, though... sure, it's way too easy, but otherwise it's pretty good. In comparison, the 3d Toshinden games all have aged badly...what about Toshinden for the GB? I heard it turned out quite well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8pxUyuwrW4
