Then they should keep their racist statements "private."
Yup, we sure have "suffocated" racism so far by completely ignoring it...
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Letting Racists Be, or Exposing Them in Their Private Lives?
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Big Baybee
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These are my feelings.
That's the end of that chapter.
Cabbagehead
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This is one aspect i will hold on to regardless of the situation. The nature of public shaming is the next step to bulling and false reports. It's a slippery slope more times then not, especially in this age. So one better have near all the facts to start a campaign of that sort.
Ironically, this is not how fire works either.
People spouting hateful shit online aren't fucking criminals though. And since they're not, considering the persons family seems to me to be something you should do before you damage it. Too many motherfuckers are too callous when it comes this. I get why, but damn. And I'm not really talking about anyone in here, but I do know people who enter fight mode instantly and it never fails to unnerve me.
Cabbagehead
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lol burn...
ClosingADoor
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Do you want legal actions against anyone being racist? And then how do we define such a thing. A lot of times it is very clear, other times less so. And calls for violence and threats are already against the law of course, which should be taken more seriously when made online also.
I understand those platforms aren't rights. And honestly, I use them in such a way I almost never encounter anything I find really offensive anyway. But they are the platform where it happens most. So I think they should step up and do more about it. Whether it happens or not is a whole other issue of course.
I just find internet vigilantes a very dangerous thing that we shouldn't encourage.
Tell you what.
We'll show the same amount of consideration for the family as they have. Sounds fair and equal to me.
Big Baybee
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Do you think racist go through life without letting their shitty racist views affect their work or coworkers? Racists do harmful shit even if it's not criminal.
As many people have already posted, having a family or being the breadwinner does not put oneself above the law or others.
Granting immunity or pardons to racists is just enabling them further because then they would believe they are in the right.
Education would be the most ideal answer, but sometimes you need to just report it and let them face the consequences.
Granting immunity or pardons to racists is just enabling them further because then they would believe they are in the right.
Education would be the most ideal answer, but sometimes you need to just report it and let them face the consequences.
Because it is a dangerous way of thinking. Never holding anybody accountable for anything because they may have family, as long as what they do isn't criminal or violent. Because their behavior can have consequences. You think words are just words. Good for you. It can devastate another.
AND THAT'S THE GAG
I'm honestly disgusted that whenever these discussions come up we spend more time talking about the poor racists than the people they hurt. The poor deplorables who have escaped their baskets and outed themselves as the racists they are. Oh no! How will they sustain their families! We must handle them delicately for how will we survive as a society if we don't carefully coddle their racism!?
The little black children who pick white dolls over black dolls not just because they're more beautiful (which is fucked enough), but because they're "good." Black people who toe every line, study hard, work hard, get the degrees, and will still not get the job because of their name, or their hair, or the sense that they "just might not fit in" for reasons that aren't said but that we all know. The real, systemic harm this casual racism does to communities that shows up in more statistics than I care to list...oh, we'll just get over that.
BUT PLEASE DON'T OFFEND, SHOCK, SHAME OR EMOTIONALLY HARM THE POOR RACIST. OH NO!
LookAtMeGo
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Until you can physically punch somebody in the face through a keyboard I think its fair to let them deal with the concequences. If you live in world where its totally fine to say what you want with zero consequences then I guess nothing should happen and nobody has anything to worry about.
This seems to be a major sticking point in this thread -- a lot of people apparently just don't really believe in institutionalized racism. Either you're in the KKK, or you're just blowing off steam by using racial slurs but basically a good person who would never discriminate against people in practice.
Frankly, I find this line of thinking disquieting, because the unspoken suggestion is that these people know lots of folks who use racial slurs and think they're probably fine.
I don't personally know any such people -- as far as I know. But I'm a person of color!
Haha. Quite literal usage of that meme.
Audioboxer
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I'm not saying I do? Or more you seem to have gotten mixed up about why I brought up law and the 1st amendment. It's always been about a risk of your actions being traceable back to you. A GAFer who recently made a topic about emailing a place of work on FB came forward to say it was a small time company. Now he done it anonymously, but let us say he hadn't. Do we have a guarantee a small time company will fire an employee? Maybe not. If they don't will they share the private email and maybe even try and track down the emailer themselves? Possibly. If they do fire the person will the person either by asking or their own digging get access to the email address? Possibly. Due to potential happenings such as the above people do end up needing to be careful about just who they go after and what places of work they end up emailing. Not everyone works for a massive national chain that would care more about its reputation than an employee any second of the day.
All of that boils down to the fact I think there is a potential for you if you don't do things anonymously to end up getting targeted yourself by the person seeking damages. Or even seeking libel against you, although I'm not sure about how that would fly in a court of law given there would be evidence you shat on your own character by being a racist shitbag on FB. However in an American court these days I wouldn't put it past someone winning a case saying that someone harmed their image to their ex-employer on some grounds that the FB profile was private/for friends only, and the person doing the emailing had access as a "FB friend". Who knows it could be a minefield. Hence, be careful.
But anyway I actually do support what the UK has, which does aim to go after incitement to racial abuse/targeting. Not just going after those calling on violence/harm. I'm in favour of freedom of speech and think it's important mainly because it protects satire and religions from oppressing people. However free speech should simply not mean freedom from consequence. Which it often does in America.
Education would be great indeed.
But it's not a realistic option. It may not even be an option at all. Education must be self-education unless it is mandated. You can't force education, especially to those that don't believe they are wrong at all.Ask the people they know, they'll tell you.
Leaving them be just means they will continue and who knows what else that may lead to.
I guess it would depend on what was said for me personally on whether I would do it. Like that comment about purging the Mexicans. Yup, I'd report that.
and we punish people for tons of things that aren't against the law all the time
yeah, this is basically what my thinking is summed up to haha
Mammoth Jones
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I'm not willing to ignore racists because I know how an everyday racist can absolutely destroy the lives of minorities. All without doing anything "illegal".
I wish more people have a fuck about that than coddling bigots and racists.
Lost your job? Tough shit. Don't be racist.
I wish more people have a fuck about that than coddling bigots and racists.
Lost your job? Tough shit. Don't be racist.
Take care of your own because no one else will.
So tired of the loopholes and imaginary grey areas.
Scientist Supreme!
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If you want to put your name out there then you should be ready for consequences. It's as simple as that.
Mammoth Jones
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I think you already know the answer to this...
Ordinaryundone
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I'm down for it, but only if you do it using your real name. If your going to slam somebody don't do it behind anonymity, that's too ready for abuse. And this way if you go in on someone who didn't actually do anything wrong you are put out there for what you deserve as well. I think that's fair. Too tired off all the internet witch hunt nonsense. If you've a friend or family member or whatever that's being racist just talk to them about it, hell, start up a big old internet shouting match if you want to. But no one ever suddenly learned the error of their ways and became a better person by having their legs cut out from under them.
And before "But what if they look me up and come over and shoot me" well what did you expect? You are the one trying to ruin their life. All vigilantism should come with risks, which is why we don't condone it as a society.
Don't Doxx people, people. And if you wanna get someone fired for being an ass do it but don't think of yourself like some great hero cause you sniped them from behind a keyboard.
And before "But what if they look me up and come over and shoot me" well what did you expect? You are the one trying to ruin their life. All vigilantism should come with risks, which is why we don't condone it as a society.
Except when it makes us feel good.
Don't Doxx people, people. And if you wanna get someone fired for being an ass do it but don't think of yourself like some great hero cause you sniped them from behind a keyboard.
If a persons views (no matter what the fuck they are) are legit impacting work, then as I suggested before, they should be wrung up. If not, then, I would say they shouldn't be. But the only people who could make that call are said persons coworkers.
DirtyLarry
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A whole lot of people think I am crazy when I say this, but for at least 5 years now I have been in favor of removing anonymity completely from our online personas.
The way I see it is you need a valid license to drive a car, why not have a valid "license" to post online? Sure hackers would figure out a way around it, but the 98% of other people online would have to exist online tied to their actual name.
With fingerprint and retina scanning now available, I think it can become even more of a reality.
I have always felt if you would not say it to my face, you should not be okay saying it online.
Of course there would still be plenty of people who would not give a rats ass and still be vile people, but it would help with those people who are not willing to associate whatever comes out of their keyboard with their actual selves.
The way I see it is you need a valid license to drive a car, why not have a valid "license" to post online? Sure hackers would figure out a way around it, but the 98% of other people online would have to exist online tied to their actual name.
With fingerprint and retina scanning now available, I think it can become even more of a reality.
I have always felt if you would not say it to my face, you should not be okay saying it online.
Of course there would still be plenty of people who would not give a rats ass and still be vile people, but it would help with those people who are not willing to associate whatever comes out of their keyboard with their actual selves.
People that have likely not been called a racist thing in their lives (not all but a lot here I'd guess), telling others it's just words and get over it more or less. Seems like it to me.
Wrong.
If a customer sees that worker being a racist or a bigot, you best believe they should be able to report them.
Mammoth Jones
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So racism is cool as long as you super swear you won't pass someone up due to your beliefs? And we can totally trust in the unbiasedness of exposed racists to NOT do that in the workplace?
I can do both actually.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Just to underline, once more since this is a very long thread, i started this topic for the moral discussion, not because of any intentions on my part. I should have made it more clear, but it was just to see how and where people draw the line.
perineumlick
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Why would this happen? If I had lost my job because of racist hate speech, or whatever, and by chance was able to get employed again, why would I think it to be a good idea to become even more radical with my racism, as that's how i lost employment in the first place? Unless a person is a habitual loser, the fact that their lives and that of their family was turned upside down solely because of their behavior is plenty of incentive to learn from that experience. It's not like racism is just as addictive as crack cocaine, or alcohol, or is it?
I'd be in favor of this. If you're willing to say something, put your name on it.
Ordinaryundone
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I'd like to retain anonymity just because I really don't need my name to be associated with all the nasty, nasty porn I like thank you very much.
Kinda hard to do that when bigotry is ingrained into the culture. ¯\_(ツ
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I don't know if it's hilarious or sad that i served in a military whose sole existence and morale is upheld on the memory of my "kind" being the enemy in both past and future. Would probably be a good case for a sociological study on how national differences evolve to a point where it's like being from a different species. There's no nuance, your birthplace determines nearly everything.
Despite all that, let's not kid ourselves. The only reason people go through the personal effort into "exposing" someone is for their own ego and hateful emotions. It's vengeance and the only agenda is to satisfy a primal craving. Whether someone thinks that it is okay to do so is on them but i don't like how some here try to put lipstick on a pig, it shames actual progressive work.
_/¯I don't know if it's hilarious or sad that i served in a military whose sole existence and morale is upheld on the memory of my "kind" being the enemy in both past and future. Would probably be a good case for a sociological study on how national differences evolve to a point where it's like being from a different species. There's no nuance, your birthplace determines nearly everything.
Despite all that, let's not kid ourselves. The only reason people go through the personal effort into "exposing" someone is for their own ego and hateful emotions. It's vengeance and the only agenda is to satisfy a primal craving. Whether someone thinks that it is okay to do so is on them but i don't like how some here try to put lipstick on a pig, it shames actual progressive work.
Alpha Centauri
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Wow I was closer than I thought. I have a pdf saved of her messages and everything. Pretty much all the work was done by me circa a couple years ago. Easy enough to send it off. Only thing is that she changed her profile picture from a real pic of hers to a animated version. The pdf link on her post links directly to her youtube page still though.
Ugh these messages...
"They're niggers, and a lesser race than us norms. Just accept
it. I mean... just look at them. Hell, just talk to them. Dense, uneducated stains. It's
all they are."
"Foolish black people ARE niggers, though. Me calling them
niggers makes me correct. The only waste of human life here are the niggers. There
are a stain on society and humanity as a whole. I hope your skin color changes in
the future."
goes on and on.
I'll send it off. She's with the same company and seems to have a higher position than before.
Thanks Gaf!
perineumlick
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Big Baybee
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Their views will impact work. Do you think a racists stops being a racist when they go to work? Like they can turn it on and off?
Cabbagehead
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Good to know that's how whistler blowers think...
LookAtMeGo
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Genuinely curious. What are some specific examples of when internet anonymity has been beneficial? Serious question. I just cant think of any instances where the world was made a better place because someone who said something on the internets identity was kept anonymous.
AntraxSuicide
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This. I get not playing internet detective since that can go horribly wrong, but if that shit is on facebook or twitter, then I'm notifying people. The university I work at recently dealt with this; some dude posted on facebook that the "niggers protesting in Charlotte should be swinging from the trees" and after it spread on campus, the guy had to withdraw from the school. Fuck coddling racists. The internet is literally no different than the town square. Watch your damn mouth in public.
Mammoth Jones
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When it allows me to engage in these types of conversations without a potentially racist supervisor looking them up and finding a way to fire me because he or she doesn't like my views.
I misinterpreted your post I think.
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