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LOST 04.07: "Ji Yeon" (The PolarBuro Rules Everything Around Craphole Island)

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Yeah, I got really confused. I thought somehow Jin got captured and Sun didn't know, so she thinks hes dead, while Jin is still working for the Paik company.

It makes way more sense now.
 
kbear said:
I read up to page 10 but then someone mentioned the preview for next week so I can't read the rest of the thread. I've just got a question..

Why in the world would the writers make that a flashback for Jin just to fuck with us? Could that be any 'cheaper'? It's really random and cheap just to trick the viewers. There's no meaning behind it... it was random and pointless just done to trick us into thinking it was Sun's baby he was going to. Really stupid if that's what they did..
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TheGreatDave said:
I'm not a huge fan of the way they tried to trick us, but looking back it's clearly to make a parallel between the man Jin is on the island and the man he was before, and how that change has allowed Sun and the baby to get home. Obviously it's primarily intention was to mislead, but it did kinda bring it all home in seeing how Jin's changed for the better the island, and how after wanting to leave him at one point Sun's in love with him.
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Stoney Mason said:
Agreed. Like most people I just think they could have picked a better example of him kinda being a job obsessed ass. I guess they were limited by having to need him be in a situation that also involved pregnancy in his flashback and had a relatively light touch so he didn't come off like a complete asshole which would have soured his death moment.
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I liked this episode! I didn't get the flash forward/backwards until I read this thread, so it was a bit of shocker in the end for me (hope he's not dead). And... lol at the Michael reveal.

Still though, it's just something wrong with the latest episodes, they're weird somehow. I just don't feel it the way I want to. There's something with some of the characters. I'm also still not that used to the flash fowards! :( They scare me.
 
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Those were not good explanations. There was nothing negative about Jin in his flashback... it didn't show him as a bad person so TheGreatDave's explanation of it being "to show how he was a bad person and how the island made him good" isn't right. All he did was bring a Panda to that woman.
 
omg rite said:
You will absolutely never say 'bleh' to Sun/Jin episodes after this one.

I promise you that.

This thread is going to be huge.
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To this episode I say: "Bleh".

Unless I missed something, the pre-hype surrounding this episode was ridiculously inflated. The only "revelation" it offered was just supremely hokey and unsatisfying. It sucks that they had to resort to something so cheap, and as a result we'll never really be able to trust whether flashes are completely forward or completely back.
 
kbear said:
Those were not good explanations. There was nothing negative about Jin in his flashback... it didn't show him as a bad person so TheGreatDave's explanation of it being "to show how he was a bad person and how the island made him good" isn't right. All he did was bring a Panda to that woman.
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Jin's flashback served as a touchstone that reminded him (or just us) of the morally flimsy man he used to be. He needed to feel that anew — and we needed to see that again — in order for him to be able to (very quickly) reach reconciliation with his wife in the Island present. So it worked for me.
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http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20184253,00.html
 
kbear said:
But what did he do that was 'morally flimsy' in the flashback?

I'm beginning to think the sole reason for the flashback was to cheaply trick the viewers.
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As I said, I didn't think it was the most effective case of being an example that illustrates it. I'll need to watch the episode again to form an effective opinion either way where I'm not explicitly looking for the fake out.
 
kbear said:
Those were not good explanations. There was nothing negative about Jin in his flashback... it didn't show him as a bad person so TheGreatDave's explanation of it being "to show how he was a bad person and how the island made him good" isn't right. All he did was bring a Panda to that woman.
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It wasn't that Jin did anything bad in the flashback, but that a scene we thought was him caring about his wife is him worrying about his job. His change in priorities on the island presumably leads to Sun and their kid surviving.

I agree that the flashback seems designed to mislead. But looking back now it isn't without worth.
 
People are debating if Aaron is part of the Oceanic Six? The Oceanic Six is a term coined by the media, not some internal name by the producers. Aaron is definitely part of it; the media would absolutely spin it that way if it happened in reality.
 
eXxy said:
People are debating if Aaron is part of the Oceanic Six? The Oceanic Six is a term coined by the media, not some internal name by the producers. Aaron is definitely part of it; the media would absolutely spin it that way if it happened in reality.
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EW said:
Sun's flash-forward fake-out seemed to close out the first act of Lost's future-time story line: identifying the members of the Oceanic 6, the celebrity miracle survivors of Oceanic 815. To recap, they are Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron, and Sun. Now, I know what some of you are saying: Aaron can't be a member of the Oceanic 6 because he wasn't born prior to the crash and therefore was not technically an Oceanic 815 passenger. To which I say, Please. Don't be so literal. In the Lost world, the Oceanic 6 is clearly a media-coined term, pinned on these six souls by some clever headline writer or newscaster. And being in the business, I can tell you that tiny little facts like Aaron's non-passenger status would never, ever get in the way of a easy, catchy piece of phrasing. We journalists are exactly that lazy. So let's call it: The Oceanic 6 is settled.
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Ghost said:
But wouldnt Jin be a member of the Oceanic 6, even though hes not alive now?
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The Oceanic 6 would be the 6 surviving members of the plane crash.

Jin's date of death was the date of the crash, so the rest of the world thinks he's hosed.
 
Ghost said:
But wouldnt Jin be a member of the Oceanic 6, even though hes not alive now?
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His date of death on the tombstone reads September 22, 2004 (i.e. the crash date). Which means that he never got off the island. Whether or not he is really alive and still on the island, the point is that Jin is being counted as among the 300+ people who didn't make it.
 
I'm interested to see how wide the timeline is for the flash forwards we've seen. Hurley seems put together at least nine months in the future, so when does he break down?

And Jack doesn't go crazy for a good while, since the flash forward in Through the Looking Glass seems to come a while after Kate's trial, where Aaron is shown to have aged considerably. Makes me wonder how it took so long for Kate to have her day in court.

The Sayid stuff is difficult to place at all.
 
Just realized, the tombstone was NOT dated before the O6 returned or Sun's date would be on it as well. Jin is still alive on Craphole Island CONFIRMED.

:D
 
Awwww....she even sounded like her girlfriend...

:(

Why did Regina kill herself? Because she was inconsolable over the death of her lover — the late, Locke-knifed Brit Naomi. Remember the inscription on her bracelet? ''N, I'll always be with you, R.G.'' Yep: I'm thinking Regina is ''R.G.''
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SPECULATION, of course. Don't get those panties all a-bunched.
 
Just saw the episode, thank god I dont watch it with gaf cause I never guessed the flash foward/back thing. For most of the episode I was just enjoying it as a Jin Sun relationship episode. When Juliet told Jin about Sun's cheating I was like "OHHHHHHH!!! Slap that bitch!". Jin and Benard on the boat was great. Jin forgiving Sun (as he should, he was an ass before the island) was awesome.

I thought the flashback was Jin trying to get the Panda for the baby for whatever reason. I found it funny and heartwarming cause he wanted the present for his baby. So I was enjoying the episode cause I like Jin and Sun.

Then the twist happend and I was like that "FUUUUUCK" image with the lines coming out of the computer. My mind was exploding trying to process everything. At first I thought some crazy parallel dimension opened up where Jin and Sun were not the same but then I thought it through and figured it was a flashback. But then I thought so Jin died when he came back, then I read this thread and got the date which shows he is probably on the island, no the impact is not as much as it used to be. Oh well great episode still.

All the stuff on the frieghter was excellent, I just want to see Sayid and Desmond's boat adventures from now on.
 
ok. so aaron is part of the 6?


BenjaminBirdie said:
Just realized, the tombstone was NOT dated before the O6 returned or Sun's date would be on it as well. Jin is still alive on Craphole Island CONFIRMED.

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wait. can you explain your reasoning there? how does the fact they made the tombstone after the 06 return mean that jin is still alive?
 
woodchuck said:
wait. can you explain your reasoning there? how does the fact they made the tombstone after the 06 return mean that jin is still alive?
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It doesn't. But the tombstone doesn't prove that he's dead either.
 
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Thanks to Iamthegamer, for the inspirado.
 
If the people on the boat are after ben, then why would ben send Michael to the boat in the first place?
 
Lost is truly back! But....

When Hurley walked in to see Sun I thought for a moment, oh no they didn't! He isn't the father is he???!1! Thank god.

Sun-Jin storyline could be fantastic from now on.
 
avaya said:
Lost is truly back! But....

When Hurley walked in to see Sun I thought for a moment, oh no they didn't! He isn't the father is he???!1! Thank god.

Sun-Jin storyline could be fantastic from now on.
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Yeah... when Hurley asked if anyone else was coming, she said no and he went "goooood" in this really creepy way. I actually almost said "Fuck no!" out loud :lol

Good episode although ARGH wtf happened to Jin?
 
Orin GA said:
If the people on the boat are after ben, then why would ben send Michael to the boat in the first place?
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To sabotage the boat, strand them, drive them batshit crazy so they start killing themselves and act as his eyes and ears.

Seems to be working, doesn't it? :D
 
eXxy said:
People are debating if Aaron is part of the Oceanic Six? The Oceanic Six is a term coined by the media, not some internal name by the producers. Aaron is definitely part of it; the media would absolutely spin it that way if it happened in reality.
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Technically true.
I fully dig that interpretation.

However... we don't know HOW Aaron came to be in Kate's possession following island departure. If he was ferried off the island some other way (via Ben or someone else) then technically there could very well be another member of the Oceanic Six (i.e. Michael, Walt, Rose, Bernard, Sawyer, Locke, Vincent... well, okay, probably not Vincent).

We won't know for certain until it's verified in the show or the producers acknowledge it one way or the other, but it's an open-ended mystery until Aaron is verified as an O6 member.

But you're absolutely correct that if Aaron is brought to the mainland with the other survivors, then the media would definitely treat him as an O6 member irregardless of whether he was on the flight manifest or not.
 
B-Rad Lascelle said:
To sabotage the boat, strand them, drive them batshit crazy so they start killing themselves and act as his eyes and ears.

Seems to be working, doesn't it? :D
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Hehe, good point and it fits Ben's agenda. I think they are blackmailing Michael by holding Walt captive. Hopefully they will explain how he could appear to Locke as taller ghost Walt.
I belive it's Jacob who is able to appear as any Person at any time of his life.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
Yeah... when Hurley asked if anyone else was coming, she said no and he went "goooood" in this really creepy way. I actually almost said "Fuck no!" out loud :lol

Good episode although ARGH wtf happened to Jin?
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I almost burst out laughing when I found out he was at the door. He looked like he was so gonna put the moves on her.
 
\m/etalStorm said:
Hehe, good point and it fits Ben's agenda. I think they are blackmailing Michael by holding Walt captive. Hopefully they will explain how he could appear to Locke as taller ghost Walt.
I belive it's Jacob who is able to appear as any Person at any time of his life.
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Having Jacob and Smokey as the same entity would be a little too convenient for my liking. I'd buy that angle if there was a sensible reason behind him looking like Christian Shephard when Hurley stumbled across the cabin back in Episode 1... but we haven't been presented with one.

Yet.
 
B-Rad Lascelle said:
But you're absolutely correct that if Aaron is brought to the mainland with the other survivors, then the media would definitely treat him as an O6 member irregardless of whether he was on the flight manifest or not.
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We should be assuming this is true, based on Kate's lawyer wanting to bring her "son" into the case a few episodes back.
 
eXxy said:
We should be assuming this is true, based on Kate's lawyer wanting to bring her "son" into the case a few episodes back.
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Exactly. Like I said earlier in the thread, Aaron has to come back to civilization with the other five, or people would wonder where the hell he came from.
 
eXxy said:
People are debating if Aaron is part of the Oceanic Six? The Oceanic Six is a term coined by the media, not some internal name by the producers. Aaron is definitely part of it; the media would absolutely spin it that way if it happened in reality.
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No it's not, it's been mentioned on the show. It was even mentioned on yesterday's show , nurse(or doctor?) referring to Sun : "She's one of the oceanic six?".
 
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