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LOST 05.12: "Dead Is Dead" (Info Deficient OP Edition)

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Oh my LOST.

I was on the John reading Lostpedia and didn't realize I had been in there for like a half hour.

So awesome :lol
 
Ceres said:
Yes. Richard also visited Locke when he was a kid. Locke visiting him is what instigated Richard visiting kid Locke years later.
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So when Richard was "helping" Locke with his situation with killing his father, Richard was fully aware who Locke was which is why he was helping him.

Cool.
 
Solo said:
2 weeks ago: Sayid "breaking" the time travel rules OR Ben surviving and homehow forgetting everything, both are just as crappy (they obviously went with the latter)
1 week ago: Ben will survive, but he will conveniently forget all this shit, lulz

On the whole, the season is sliding back down for me. It started off kind of so-so, then got really awesome from 316 up to Namaste, and with the last 2 episodes, is sliding back down for me. Essentially, the season thusfar would fit almost perfectly on a bell curve for me.
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I posted this bit shortly after that episode aired:

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I think we should reserve judgment on the whole Ben/amnesia thing until it's explained more thoroughly. What Richard said can mean a lot of things. For example, Ben "won't remember" what, exactly? Getting shot by Sayid? Getting healed by Richard? Everything in the past several months/years? Everything, period?

And then, why will he forget these things?Until we know this, I'm not sure how anyone can really say anything about the amnesia one way or the other.

I'm personally of the opinion that Ben didn't really forget everything - either that, or he eventually found out the truth somehow. His "you are a killer, Sayid" line was very telling, and the writers didn't just drop that in for no reason.

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Looking back on it further now, it would be a massive coincidence if they did just drop that in. Ben getting shot by a seemingly remorseless (to Ben) and calculating Sayid as a young kid, and later on in life hiring the same-aged Sayid to be his personal assassin of all things, and eventually remarking to him straight-up that he's "a killer"? Older Ben has to know who Sayid was and what he did to him. It simply doesn't make sense if he doesn't. It would be the biggest coincidence ever, and the Lost writers have generally been pretty consistent at conveying that "coincidences" on the show are almost never actually such.

Another thing, how do we even know that Alpert was being literal, and that Ben won't, for example, forget "who he is" rather than specific details in his life? Alpert's indoctrinating Ben into the Others, and he tells everyone that Ben won't be the same person after he comes out of the Temple. So it's possible that Ben's "amnesia" is really just him starting a brand new life with no ties whatsoever to his previous one, rather than him literally forgetting things.
 
neojubei said:
So when Richard was "helping" Locke with his situation with killing his father, Richard was fully aware who Locke was which is why he was helping him.

Cool.
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Also: In that episode when Richard has that file he gives to Locke he says "Some of us having been waiting a long time for you to come here." -or something.
 
How many times does it need to be said that we don't know what Ben will forget or even if he will forget before Solo understands? Ben obviously remembers things from his childhood when he grows up so this "they make him forget EVERYTHING" idea doesn't make that much sense.

Relax.
 
Ceres said:
Yes. Richard also visited Locke when he was a kid. Locke visiting him is what instigated Richard visiting kid Locke years later.
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Man, he'd probably been following Locke's dad for decades, waiting to nab him.

:O
 
KHarvey16 said:
How many times does it need to be said that we don't know what Ben will forget or even if he will forget before Solo understands? Ben obviously remembers things from his childhood when he grows up so this "they make him forget EVERYTHING" idea doesn't make that much sense.

Relax.
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Indeed. It could very well be that he only forgets certain things, but still remembers the time traveling survivors or something like that.
 
I just braved the trenches of wikipedia.

"Brian K. Vaughan & Elizabeth Sarnoff"
 
Is it Wednesday yet.... FUCK!


I'll be watching this episode in memory of KR3W. You may have pissed off a lot of irrational people with your catchphrase but you were one of the LostGAF crew and you will be missed. I always have a Palmer during the show, I'll pour some out for you buddy.
 
BrightYoungThing said:
Is it Wednesday yet.... FUCK!


I'll be watching this episode in memory of KR3W. You may have pissed off a lot of irrational people with your catchphrase but you were one of the LostGAF crew and you will be missed. I always have a Palmer during the show, I'll pour some out for you buddy.
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Yeah, I personal like him too, didn't mind the goddam's at all! Speaking of which, wonder were Darko is?
 
Jtwo said:
Also: In that episode when Richard has that file he gives to Locke he says "Some of us having been waiting a long time for you to come here." -or something.
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:O oh snap. I need season 2 on blu-ray stat!
 
Can't wait. Episodes focused on Ben (as I assume this one will be) are always awesome. I just hope we finally get to Des again soon, I miss him :(
 
Yaweee said:
If you did that, you wouldn't be able to watch the scene, because it is in season 3.
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Really? oh good I have that on blu-ray; just need to look for it.

Tucah said:
Can't wait. Episodes focused on Ben (as I assume this one will be) are always awesome. I just hope we finally get to Des again soon, I miss him :(
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Ben episodes are usually good, so I cannot wait for this one.
 
I think it's in the man behind the curtain
 
I'm more interested in where they are going to take the overall show. After season 4 I was wondering what they would do with season 5. Every season has a central theme to it. Season 1 was about setting up the characters and the basic story. Season 2 was about the hatch and introducing the others. Season 3 was about the conflict between the others and the losties. Season 4 was about the freighter and the rescue. Season 5 is about getting the losties back on the island and showing the past history of the island. What will season 6 be about?


My massive theory right now

1) Something or someone is going to cause something to happen which will result in mothers dieing while giving birth. This will piss off ben who will want to research the problem.
Sub Theory: Ben has a relationship with a women on the island and dies while giving child birth.

2) Season 6 will be about the history of the island .



Im also hoping the writers make Ben remember everything that has happened.
 
Solo said:
Im not going to post in here again until after the episode airs, lolz. Ive got too much anger from the past 2 episodes, and since the majority of you loved them, all I am going to do is argue with you.

See you all in just over 36 hours.
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Again, your anger over Ben simply forgetting is fine, but you should have no anger from the past TWO episodes, because Saiyd did not break any time travel rules at all.
 
eeeeeeekkkkkkkk we're getting close to the end of this season.
 
omg rite said:
Again, your anger over Ben simply forgetting is fine, but you should have no anger from the past TWO episodes, because Saiyd did not break any time travel rules at all.
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I think his was issue was that Sayid had either broken the rules or he hadn't and Ben would simply forget. Either way, that plays into the ending from two weeks ago.

Jtwo said:
eeeeeeekkkkkkkk we're getting close to the end of this season.
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Can you believe that if this was s4, this would be the last episode before the finale?
 
I know it's crazy.
I was just thinking about that.
 
This week, on ABC:


HOW MUCH DOES BEN REMEMBER?


Find out, on an all new episode of WHO WANTS TO BE A MILLIONAIRE.
 
Starving for LOST this week...

Almost forgot about the preview for this episode which now that I recall it seemed like it'd lead to some epic shit :D.
 
Soooo pumped for this episode. Is everyone subscribing to the old theory that Ben is bloody because of killing Penny? Or have you changed your mind since the beginning of the season? It's the only explanation I can think of.
 
this will probably be the best episode ever. we've seen so many of those this season.

<3 lost <3
 
HowardRoark said:
Soooo pumped for this episode. Is everyone subscribing to the old theory that Ben is bloody because of killing Penny? Or have you changed your mind since the beginning of the season? It's the only explanation I can think of.
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He probably tried to kill Penny but Desmond got there and fucked him up.
 
I think to much is being read into what Richard said. I think he just meant that he wouldn't remember that Kate and Sawyer had brought him to them or how he was healed.

This may even be why Ben thinks he is the chosen one because the Island healed him. Maybe he never was Remember the island has healed people without going to the temple before, Like Rose and John. It did not however heal Ben when he had his Back Tumor. He needed Jack for that.
 
After watching the preview, only one thing could really pop into my mind :

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So I just used the ABC.com LOST Sawyer name generator and it came out as: "Lollipop"

...so if I were on the island I'd be called Lollipop...

I'm not sure how I feel about this.
 
I was on the train coming back to school today and was watching the last episode.

So damn good.

Also saw the 5.01,.02 so so good.
 
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