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[StoOgE]

Why did they hate it? I bet it's because they want answers. Which I think is because ABC's stupid ass promos keep saying "ANSWERS ANSWERS ANSWERS".

Actually, the flash sideways is the biggest complaint for everyone... I think some people have expressed similar concerns in this thread, but most of them (myself included) are completely uninvested in this alternate reality characters. That isn't the Jack/Kate/Locke that we all know and love. It's some other person that looks like them.

So, they just kind of sit pleasantly through those parts and don't care.

The other thing that is upsetting people is all of the demi god stuff going on where most of the islands mysteries are being explained away (so it seems) with magic.

The new mysteries seem to be the only thing anyone is enjoying.

Earlier mysteries (what is the hatch, why is their a plane in the jungle, why is there a crazy french woman in the jungle) have been explained away with a basis in reality. The show seemed to be going that way early on with the electomagnetic energy fucking everything up.

Obviously the people I know in real life aren't a scientific example, but outside of guys on GAF who have been rocking Lost Avatars for 5 years pretty much everyone I know is getting pretty fed up with the show at this point.

My coworkers and I used to always talk about the show the next day. Outside of the first episode no one has even bothered to bring it up. My watch groups have dwindled from 7 regular people for the pilot to 3 of us plus whoever shows up that week. One of my friends watch parties are about to be canceled and two of them are going to join mine.

I know this is a bit of a cheerleader group on GAF, but I would be curious to see what the ratings are doing.

 

[ZeoVGM]

At least two groups of my friends who have separate watch parties and my parents all hated it tonight.

Lost-GAF aside, I think they are really losing people this season.

Well my mom loved it, the friend I watched it with after loved it, and at least 4 people I've talked to after loved it.

The fact that you think they're losing people this season because your friend up the street didn't like it is just hilarious.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Just finished and really enjoyed it. The Obi Wan Kenobi stuff was great, loved Claire finally having something to do, and it was pretty interesting that Jacob can't or won't just indicate to Jack what he needs to do more directly.

I can't say it's the mythology fest I was expecting after Lindelcuse's tease, but it was solid. Even the Jack X stuff was pretty resonant.

And it's always nice to see MacCutcheon make a cameo.

I missed that, where was it?

 

[Salmonax]

I missed that, where was it?

When Jack's mom went for a drink and offered Jack one, it was stashed in the back.

 

[threenote]

Lost-GAF aside, I think they are really losing people this season.

Who cares? It's not like it's going to get cancelled.

 

[CygnusXS]

People don't act like immature children?

My point is that characters, as intellectual creations don't have to, and that long-form characters shouldn't continue to. After 6 years, it gets really annoying. Not knocking Lindelcuse on the whole, just these two characters (and maybe Sayid).

 

[StoOgE]

Well my mom loved it, the friend I watched it with after loved it, and at least 4 people I've talked to after loved it.

The fact that you think they're losing people this season because your friend up the street didn't like it is just hilarious.

I said that it was unscientific, but it's more than just my friend up the street.

But I'm glad that the fact that your mummy liked it proves that the show is a huge success this season.

Edit: and for actual hard numbers sake, they have lost over 3.2 million viewers since the season premier or roughly 25%

 

[Byakuya769]

Well my mom loved it, the friend I watched it with after loved it, and at least 4 people I've talked to after loved it.

The fact that you think they're losing people this season because your friend up the street didn't like it is just hilarious.

... man your condescension isn't really that necessary.

 

[threenote]

But I'm glad that the fact that your mummy liked it proves that the show is a huge success this season.

:lol

well played.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I stick to my statement about the mirrors from before. They aren't the only way a person can get to the island but they can help them. Jacob wanted to help whoever it is get to the island but knew there were other ways the person could get there. He wanted Jack and Hurley to get away from the Temple and wanted Jack to see himself in the mirror to see how important he was. This would show him that Locke was right all along, that they really were special people who were brought to the island for a purpose. This is showing Jack the truth and allowing him to "find his own way" with that information. Doesn't sound manipulative to me at all.

I agree on all those elements, but for me, I can't deny that there's a bigger play going on here by Jacob and all of these elements play right into that plan. I'm not trying to say the plan is with bad intentions or not, I'm just saying the man clearly has other things in play than what he tells people at any given moment. If his other way of "helping" this person get to the island is something only he, dead Jacob can accomplish, then I say pretty wholly that he wanted the mirrors smashed so someone else like MiB could use them. If his methods for bringing this person to the island can be accomplished by any ol' living person, then I'll secede the point, but for me, this issue is very much up in the air until we get some more evidence either way.

 

[TheGreatDave]

The X timeline isn't exactly a thrillride right now, and I honestly can't say at this point I'd care if Lost wasn't just a straightforward narrative with no flashes this season. But I also know they're not there for no reason, and have hope that soon we'll know for sure what's going on.

 

[ZeoVGM]

I said that it was unscientific, but it's more than just my friend up the street.

But I'm glad that the fact that your mummy liked it proves that the show is a huge success this season.

You have to be kidding. I didn't remotely imply that. And I'm shocked you didn't understand what I was getting at by mentioning that. Not even going to bother explaining the obvious.

But I will, just for you:

I was doing the same thing you did, purposely, showing you that personal reflections can't be used as proof that the show is "losing people".

Now get off your high horse.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

I said that it was unscientific, but it's more than just my friend up the street.

But I'm glad that the fact that your mummy liked it proves that the show is a huge success this season.

That was not his conclusion. sir...

I'm going to throw in some satire.

I'm glad the fact that your mummy and friends didn't like it proves that the show is sucking.

Do you like traveling in a circle? Stop coming to the same type of dumb and wrong conclusions.

 

[.GqueB.]

Why did they hate it? I bet it's because they want answers. Which I think is because ABC's stupid ass promos keep saying "ANSWERS ANSWERS ANSWERS".

Didnt really move the plot forward in the least bit. I dont mind not getting answers. We didnt get much of that last week but it was still entertaining because MiB and Sawyer walking through the jungle wasnt only leading to something, it WAS something. Seeing Richard running scared, Sawyer calling out Locke for not being Locke. The dialogue in general. It was all relevant.

Jack and Hurly walking through the jungle held no weight. They were just walking. For an entire half hour they just walked and talked about nothing. Felt too fillery. As I said last week (before I saw the entire episode mind you) I just want them to get to the point already.

Mind you, this is not me saying "ANSWER EVERYTHING NOW". Id never want that. But having the whole first half hour basically be nothingness is a little irritating. Thats the feeling Im getting here.

But Id never saying theyre "losing" me. Lost will have me forever.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I said that it was unscientific, but it's more than just my friend up the street.

But I'm glad that the fact that your mummy liked it proves that the show is a huge success this season.

You really fail to see the irony here?

 

[Saerk]

I'm thinking Desmond is the name at 108.

 

[threenote]

The X timeline isn't exactly a thrillride right now, and I honestly can't say at this point I'd care if Lost wasn't just a straightforward narrative with no flashes this season. But I also know they're not there for no reason, and have hope that soon we'll know for sure what's going on.

Yeah, I was thinking that too. Now, I loved tonight's flashsideway story--but I hope we find out why they are relevant soon.

 

[StoOgE]

You have to be kidding. I didn't remotely imply that. And I'm shocked you didn't understand what I was getting at by mentioning that. Not even going to bother explaining the obvious.

But I will, just for you:

I was doing the same thing you did, purposely, showing you that personal reflections can't be used as proof that the show is "losing people".

Now get off your high horse.

I'm not on my high horse.

I never claimed my numbers were scientific. I even said "I know the people I know aren't a scientific poll". You then used a straw man to try and twist my words to an extreme I never intended so I did the same to you.

Besides, I have hard numbers now, and the shows ratings are taking a nose dive since the premiere.

 

[ZeoVGM]

I'm thinking Desmond is the name at 108.

Someone screencapped it earlier. It isn't, sadly. I think it's just a random name.

 

[Lonestar]

who knows, the 108 bearing could be a mixture of Red Herring (hello, 108 is 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 added together), or just a far enough position for the mirrors, that required a longer pull from Hurley. Knowing that Jack was going to stand where he was, that something along the path of the mirror would catch Jack's eye, and kickstart JACKSMASH.

 

[duckroll]

Okay, I'm going to have to say, I'm starting to feel a bit shaky about the final season. While the episode certainly wasn't bad, and Jack Bender definitely knows how to direct a major Lost episode very well, I didn't completely feel this episode. Yes, it moves the mythos foward, yes it shows us stuff and reveals stuff that we didn't know before, but at the same time it's starting to feel rather artificial and forced.

Instead of the episode being entertaining for the character development and letting the characters drive the storyline entirely, it's becoming more and more apparent that their solution to tying up all the loose ends in Lost is to throw in narrative cliches one after another to force both the flash-sideways and the on island stuff to all connect characters as much as possible and to explain most of the mysteries as some sort of guiding hand of higher powers (who are now actual characters too!).

It's honestly getting a bit too deep into the cheesy setting that season 3 and season 5 dipped into repeatedly. Lost connections are best imo, when they feel completely natural and logical. The best flashbacks were the ones where when characters met each other off island no one went "oh hey it's another nudge nudge wink wink moment!" but instead it felt totally plausible and might not really have to do anything with fate or some story point, but just people who might run into each other. Throwing Dogan in LA is really a bit too much of a coincidence and I just think it's artificial and lame.

 

[watkinzez]

I was kinda surprised how much everyone liked last week's episode, but this one was great.

Anyone else notice that Jack's name in the lighthouse was written recently, and with different handwriting than the rest? Kinda like he replaced whoever was there before.

 

[MiamiWesker]

Who cares? Ride the wake. Lost has crystallized into the form that was always intended for it. This whole thing reminds of The Sopranos. People hoped against hope that the series was something it never was and never could be. I look forward to seeing more and more people bail, forming the bossest wave of AwesomeSurf that ever rose up out of Lost Ocean.

Lost has always attempted to balance two sides: The Magnolia of character-based fate and coincidence, and the Indiana Jones of crazy jungle adventure and mystery. Season 6 finally has both sides in equal and beautiful balance. Some episodes have been better than others, but the Polar Boro has finally and beautifully mastered the form they've been chipping away at for six years.

Yup they have a great balance right now. I still feel the Kate episode was crap but other than that this season has been very interesting and has had that great balance. It has elements of all seasons. It has that getting to know the characters feel of season 1 because of the flashsideways. It has lots of new island mythology like season 2 (that season was so full of looking at freeze frame images for clues, this season is kind of like that so far). We got a major conflict between two sides brewing like in season 3. I am still waiting for the excitement and energy of season 4 but I assume that is coming soon.

But I can see why some aren't enjoy it as much. The flash-sideways are a gamble at this point. We still don't know how it fits in with the story, so it is going to be hard for many viewers to care for this universe when they don't know if it will matter. This is not like other flashes, those were always the characters we knew, those always had meaning, this is something totally different. The longer they go without the connection the more frustrated many people will get. After the premier I was upset at the flash-sideways, I thought it was a waste of time, I didn't want to see a what if scenario unless I know how it effects the real Lost. But once I read that there was going to be a payoff and it was going to come sooner than later I decided to just enjoy them, and I have.

 

[ZeoVGM]

I'm not on my high horse.

I never claimed my numbers were scientific. I even said "I know the people I know aren't a scientific poll". You then used a straw man to try and twist my words to an extreme I never intended.

Besides, I have hard numbers now, and the shows ratings are taking a nose dive since the premiere.

... You realize every ratings news report posted in these threads since the premiere have pointed out that while ratings have gone down, they're still great, beating NCIS? And that they went up against the Olympics last week?

Saying ratings are taking a "nose dive" since the premiere is incorrect.

You're really showing your true colors here.

 

[thekad]

What's with this sales-age bullshit in these Lost threads? No one cares.

 

[threenote]

Besides, I have hard numbers now, and the shows ratings are taking a nose dive since the premiere.

But what's your point exactly?

It's a heavily scripted show in its sixth season. This wasn't unexpected--and it certainly isn't indicative of the quality of the show (which you are clearly implying).

 

[Panda Bear]

Didnt really move the plot forward in the least bit. I dont mind not getting answers. We didnt get much of that last week but it was still entertaining because MiB and Sawyer walking through the jungle wasnt only leading to something, it WAS something. Seeing Richard running scared, Sawyer calling out Locke for not being Locke. The dialogue in general. It was all relevant.

Jack and Hurly walking through the jungle held no weight. They were just walking. For an entire half hour they just walked and talked about nothing. Felt too fillery. As I said last week (before I saw the entire episode mind you) I just want them to get to the point already.

Mind you, this is not me saying "ANSWER EVERYTHING NOW". Id never want that. But having the whole first half hour basically be nothingness is a little irritating. Thats the feeling Im getting here.

But Id never saying theyre "losing" me. Lost will have me forever.

Take it easy troll.

Spoiler

 

[ZeoVGM]

But what's your point exactly?

It's a heavily scripted show in its sixth season. This wasn't unexpected--and it certainly isn't indicative of the quality of the show (which you are clearly implying).

And certainly, no one purposely waits to watch it online or through DVR, right?

(Ah, wait. Lots of people do.)

 

[Merguson]

Vincent scouts out the candidates for Jacob. That dog sneaks around and shit.

amirite

 

[MiamiWesker]

It's honestly getting a bit too deep into the cheesy setting that season 3 and season 5 dipped into repeatedly. Lost connections are best imo, when they feel completely natural and logical. The best flashbacks were the ones where when characters met each other off island no one went "oh hey it's another nudge nudge wink wink moment!" but instead it felt totally plausible and might not really have to do anything with fate or some story point, but just people who might run into each other. Throwing Dogan in LA is really a bit too much of a coincidence and I just think it's artificial and lame.

At this point I don't think we can take anything happening in the alternate dimension to mean much. I assume that there is a reason why everyone on the island seems to be running into each other in X. I am not watching the flash-sideways the same way I saw the other flashes, it isn't real to the story, at least yet.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

... You realize every ratings news report posted in these threads since the premiere have pointed out that while ratings have gone down, they're still great, beating NCIS? And that they went up against the Olympics last week?

Saying ratings are taking a "nose dive" since the premiere is incorrect.

You're really showing your true colors here.

The ratings compare to season 5, which wassn't going against the Olympics.

Impressive.

Shut up StoOgE.

 

[.GqueB.]

Take it easy troll.

Spoiler

LMAO Im going to KEEEEEELL JOOOOOOO!!!

 

[StoOgE]

Nevermind.

Two threads in a row and it's clear, voicing any dissension against Lost just brings out the fucking pot beaters who will all henpeck you into submission. Last time I tried to break down exact problems I had with the episode and just got beat to death by the usual suspects telling me I didn't "get lost" and I tried to essentially argue that I was wrong for not liking where the show was headed.

Now I just try and pop in with some anecdotal evidence and even sort of explained what my friends' problem with the show is and I get straw manned to death by the same crew.

Enjoy your circle jerk, I'll leave you to it.

You're really showing your true colors here.

What true colors am I showing?

I bought all 5 seasons of Lost on BRD after owning the first 4 on DVD.

I have been posting in these threads since season 1.

This is exactly what I am talking about. You try and bring up the slightest negative comment and you are written off as a troll.

 

[TheGreatDave]

Vincent scouts out the candidates for Jacob. That dog sneaks around and shit.

amirite

If Christian hadn't told Vincent to wake up Jack after the crash, how many people would be dead?!

Vincent understands Christian, he's a tool of the island.

 

[Linkhero1]

Great episode. I actually liked the side-flashes this week.

What if neither MIB and Jacob are really good. They are just using people to win whatever sick and twisted game they're playing.

 

[duckroll]

At this point I don't think we can take anything happening in the alternate dimension to mean much. I assume that there is a reason why everyone on the island seems to be running into each other in X. I am not watching the flash-sideways the same way I saw the other flashes, it isn't real to the story, at least yet.

I don't think you understand what I was trying to express though. I don't really care either way if a flashback/forward/sideways directly or indirectly corresponds to the "story" or anything. But instead I see them as individual character study episodes. The problem I'm having with what they're doing now is that they're going out of their way to fit in multiple cameos with both old and new characters just so we "get" the idea that everyone is connected in some way. It just feels artificial and forced to me sometimes, and takes away from my enjoyment of watching the character development unfold naturally.

 

[TheGreatDave]

Nevermind.

Two threads in a row and it's clear, voicing any dissension against Lost just brings out the fucking pot beaters who will all henpeck you into submission. Last time I tried to break down exact problems I had with the episode and just got beat to death by the usual suspects telling me I didn't "get lost" and I tried to essentially argue that I was wrong for not liking where the show was headed.

Now I just try and pop in with some anecdotal evidence and even sort of explained what my friends' problem with the show is and I get straw manned to death by the same crew.

Enjoy your circle jerk, I'll leave you to it.

See you next week

 

[threenote]

Nevermind.

Two threads in a row and it's clear, voicing any dissension against Lost just brings out the fucking pot beaters who will all henpeck you into submission. Last time I tried to break down exact problems I had with the episode and just got beat to death by the usual suspects telling me I didn't "get lost" and I tried to essentially argue that I was wrong for not liking where the show was headed.

Now I just try and pop in with some anecdotal evidence and even sort of explained what my friends' problem with the show is and I get straw manned to death by the same crew.

Enjoy your circle jerk, I'll leave you to it.

Bring up a valid point first, and then people will take you seriously.

edit: just to clarify, I like you Stooge, but dude I can't really defend you here.

 

[MiamiWesker]

Vincent scouts out the candidates for Jacob. That dog sneaks around and shit.



amirite

Remember the painting in the cabin. He is the mastermind.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Nevermind.

Two threads in a row and it's clear, voicing any dissension against Lost just brings out the fucking pot beaters who will all henpeck you into submission. Last time I tried to break down exact problems I had with the episode and just got beat to death by the usual suspects telling me I didn't "get lost" and I tried to essentially argue that I was wrong for not liking where the show was headed.

Now I just try and pop in with some anecdotal evidence and even sort of explained what my friends' problem with the show is and I get straw manned to death by the same crew.

Enjoy your circle jerk, I'll leave you to it.

You spent the past i don't know how many minutes trying to say lost is losing people based on anecdotal evidence and ratings. The ratings compare to Season 5. Olympics are on.

I'm truthfully sorry that you cry like a baby and run away when you're wrong.

 

[ianswoody]

Did a quick scan and didn't notice anyone mention this:

4+8+15+16+23+42=108

 

[StoOgE]

Bring up a valid point first, and then people will take you seriously.

Go back to the week 3 thread (the Kate episode). Me and a few other people tried to bring up valid complaints about the shows writing, pacing and script and we were all summarily dismissed as trolling the show and or "just not getting it"

 

[Lonestar]

Duck: Jack seeing Dogen and having 2 lines with him in "XLand" isn't much more than Charlie saving Nadia, or Locke inspecting Nadia's home, or any other of the dozens of interactions the characters have had with each other.

All it really does, is give you information that Dogen isn't a Richard-like being, that whenever the 2 realities "started", happened before Dogen went to the island.

Did a quick scan and didn't notice anyone mention this:

4+8+15+16+23+42=108

I did, about 11 minutes ago.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Nevermind.

Two threads in a row and it's clear, voicing any dissension against Lost just brings out the fucking pot beaters who will all henpeck you into submission. Last time I tried to break down exact problems I had with the episode and just got beat to death by the usual suspects telling me I didn't "get lost" and I tried to essentially argue that I was wrong for not liking where the show was headed.

Now I just try and pop in with some anecdotal evidence and even sort of explained what my friends' problem with the show is and I get straw manned to death by the same crew.

Enjoy your circle jerk, I'll leave you to it.

You're bringing ratings into it, saying they're "nosediving", and trying to use that as proof that people aren't into this season. Which might be okay if you weren't wrong about the numbers.

There is no circle jerk. Do you see people jumping over duckroll for having a negative opinion? No, because what he said is fine. You're close to turning this into a fucking NPD thread.

No one has a problem with those who are negative. Look at Solo in season 5. He shit on it all the time but people looked forward to him posting. You're just in here saying "well my friends didn't like it so..." and "well, the ratings are bad so..."

It's annoying.

 

[Byakuya769]

It is pretty lame how Gaming Ageish Lost threads can get. Heaven forbid someone doesn't like the most recent episode or the direction the final season is going. Hell, I loved this episode.. but it doesn't really shatter my world to see that some people didn't. Get a fucking grip.

 

[.GqueB.]

Did a quick scan and didn't notice anyone mention this:

4+8+15+16+23+42=108

 

[threenote]

Go back to the week 3 thread (the Kate episode). Me and a few other people tried to bring up valid complaints about the shows writing, pacing and script and we were all summarily dismissed as trolling the show and or "just not getting it"

I hated the third episode as well--it really was shitty. So I'm with you on that one. But I just don't see the point of your argument in this thread.

 

[thekad]

Nevermind.

Two threads in a row and it's clear, voicing any dissension against Lost just brings out the fucking pot beaters who will all henpeck you into submission. Last time I tried to break down exact problems I had with the episode and just got beat to death by the usual suspects telling me I didn't "get lost" and I tried to essentially argue that I was wrong for not liking where the show was headed.

"Why doesn't everyone agree with me ;_;"

 

[Salmonax]

Although I'm all on board with this season so far, one thing I can agree with is that they need to provide some insight into the flash sideways stuff pretty soon. Personally I'm betting on the third season's model of delivering the next phase within the next couple of weeks, if not the next episode.

 

[StoOgE]

You're bringing ratings into it, saying they're "nosediving", and trying to use that as proof that people aren't into this season. Which might be okay if you weren't wrong about the numbers.

There is no circle jerk. Do you see people jumping over duckroll for having a negative opinion? No, because what he said is fine. You're close to turning this into a fucking NPD thread.

No one has a problem with those who are negative. Look at Solo in season 5. He shit on it all the time but people looked forward to him posting. You're just in here saying "well my friends didn't like it so..." and "well, the ratings are bad so..."

It's annoying.

And I explained why my friends didn't like it and I already brought up my own issues with the episode earlier.

Instead of anyone talking about that, I got ganged up on for using unscientific data

I only brought ratings into it after I got jumped on for daring to use anecdotal evidence... which I *admitted* was purely anecdotal and non-scientific straight from the start.