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[SpeedingUptoStop]

Jacob's body count is definitely higher than MIB's.

And what about the lives that didn't get created in this timeline due to his narcissism? Come on, who the fuck is he that all of these "candidates" lives and the lives of people around them must be thrown into flux or thrown away? For what, so he can find himself a worthy replacement?

Again, this is all a means to an end and Jacob's somehow trying to prevent some catastrophic event from taking the lives of millions or billions than cool. Stand up guy. Anything less than that means he's a shitrag.

 

[jamesinclair]

Jacob didn't kill Nadia

He didn't help her, but he didn't kill her.

He could have stopped both of them, he wanted Nadia killed so Sayid would be easier to control. Sayid never would have gone back to the island if he was living a happy life with Nadia.

 

[Thermite]

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2010/02/things-i-noticed-lighthouse-by-vozzek69.html#more

I mean it's just someone like us who theorizes, but I find them to be particularly good.

Awesome, thanks. Good read. I take it Vozzek is a fan of The Dark Tower? I couldn't help but get some serious DT vibes when he was talking about Jack reading to David and wondering how many of his different sons he's read that book to through x amount of different universes. And just a lot of his general line of thinking with this 'X' universe is very similar to The Dark Tower.

I just realized why MiB wants to get off the island so badly. Why he set all these events in motion. And why it will all come to an end on May 23rd. He wants to play Super Mario Galaxy 2 on release day.

LOST

 

[brandonh83]

He could have stopped both of them, he wanted Nadia killed so Sayid would be easier to control. Sayid never would have gone back to the island if he was living a happy life with Nadia.

Yeah I thought we could easily assume this sort of thing. :lol

Awesome, thanks. Good read. I take it Vozzek is a fan of The Dark Tower? I couldn't help but get some serious DT vibes when he was talking about Jack reading to David and wondering how many of his different sons he's read that book to through x amount of different universes. And just a lot of his general line of thinking with this 'X' universe is very similar to The Dark Tower.

Common knowledge really but Lindelcuse are Dark Tower fanboys.

 

[MiamiWesker]

He could have stopped both of them, he wanted Nadia killed so Sayid would be easier to control. Sayid never would have gone back to the island if he was living a happy life with Nadia.

Well this is also true. I wonder if Sayid will piece this together, could be another for team smokey, well of course if he is normal Sayid and not crazy infected Sayid.

 

[Catalix]

LOL, I've been reading vozzek for a couple years now...

He is very fun to read, I remember in past seasons when everything was still up in the air he was big on this sort of "shared consciousness" and "recycled items and experiences" thing, just like most people, his theories went to hell when time travel was introduced. He still has good incite though.

I was down with that theory, and the many variations of it. I don't think anything so far contradicts the idea, but it doesn't seem as relevant anymore.

 

[Thermite]

Common knowledge really but Lindelcuse are Dark Tower fanboys.

Crossover confirmed. ;P

 

[brandonh83]

Crossover confirmed. ;P

Haven't read much of it myself, I listened to about half of the audiobook for The Wasteland at my last job. It was pretty cool but when I try to relate it to LOST I come up short. Guess I didn't read enough of it, or just didn't catch it.

 

[ZeoVGM]

I'm listening to Opie & Anthony from Tuesday and a caller said that two names on the ceiling in the cave that are crossed out are the last names of two overly silly characters that Jim Norton does on the show. Apparently, Brian K. Vaughan is a fan of O&A and Ron & Fez. So I checked out Lostpedia:

The list includes two inside jokes for numbers 197 and 202. Sheckler and Harggus are two characters portrayed by American stand up comedian Jim Norton on the Opie and Anthony Show, heard on Sirius/XM Radio. The show is heard on Channel 197 on the Sirius platform and Channel 202 on the XM platform.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Candidates

Ted Sheckler is an angry man who owns a multitude of emporiums. He isn't able to not yell while speaking. Here are a few exampls of Ted showing up. (Parts of these are definitely NSFW language.)

Ted's Pesky Bee Removal Emporium
Ted's Ghost Fighting Products Emporium
Ted's Watch Emporium

Paul Harggus (aka Uncle Paul) has a very unsettling voice. And he.. uh.. enjoys the company of children.

Best of Uncle Paul Compilation (Again, NSFW and possibly offensive.)

As a big O&A fan, I think this is great. But I'm kind of amazed that the idea of an inside joke to the writers of Lost is making one of Jacob's candidates a pedophile. :lol

And apparently you can blame Brian K. Vaughan for it!

 

[Thermite]

Haven't read much of it myself, I listened to about half of the audiobook for The Wasteland at my last job. It was pretty cool but when I try to relate it to LOST I come up short. Guess I didn't read enough of it, or just didn't catch it.

Aside from things like character similarities, which are throughout all the books, the last two (Song of Susannah and The Dark Tower) relate to Lost more so than any of the others. Especially now with what's going on in Season 6. Won't get into spoilers, but there are definitely some parallels between the two.

 

[Thermite]

Edit: Ugh, sorry for the double post.

2nd edit: I'll use this post for something, after all! New Geronimo Jack's Beard podcast is up!

Boo! This episode of GJB is a spoooooooky one! It's our Halloween in February episode since we recorded it back in the witchy month of October, just a few days after Beth had her first official sighting of a real apparition. Onion ghosts, eerie background sounds, ghost stories and utter distraction. Oooo-weeee-oooo! Enjoy!

We recorded this episode on October 10, 2009.

http://geronimojacksbeard.blogspot.com/2010/02/episode-605-lighthouse.html

 

[sc0la]

It's literally something I've been preaching on since the start of the season. Not trying to toot my own horn at all, seeing as I'm not the only one nor did I originate the theory, it just excites me, I think it's a really cool idea and I hope it pans out.

During they first few episodes I was not convinced that this wasn't what happened after they finish everything on island. An epilouge shown as a flash, because it would be anticlimactic shown chronologically.

I even bought Ethan and Ben being there at first, but Dogen, plus the appendix are giving me fresh thoughts on things like Kate's double take on Jack while stealing the cab, etc.

I am also getting the idea it might be cool to watch season 1 then 6 back to back after all is said and done. Great parallels this season.

 

[brandonh83]

:lol it's definitely not an epilogue, that would be the worst idea of all time.

 

[Crisco]

I figured it out guys!!!!

Claire becomes enraged and rips Flockes' arm off, though only sand pours out of the wound. Claire then chases Jack into the forest and threatens to eat him up. Jack is saved by Hurley, who hides him in his stomach. Jack listens as Hurley explains to Claire that their lives are already difficult, with Claire's out-of-control tantrums only making things worse. Hearing this, Jack decides to leave the island.

 

[sc0la]

:lol it's definitely not an epilogue, that would be the worst idea of all time.

Oh I know that, it's why I was so down on the first couple of eps. :lol I hated the idea of it being an epilogue. The Dogen X instance and the appendix thing have convinced me that it is not an epilogue.

 

[Panda Bear]

I figured it out guys!!!!

Claire becomes enraged and rips Flockes' arm off, though only sand pours out of the wound. Claire then chases Jack into the forest and threatens to eat him up. Jack is saved by Hurley, who hides him in his stomach. Jack listens as Hurley explains to Claire that their lives are already difficult, with Claire's out-of-control tantrums only making things worse. Hearing this, Jack decides to leave the island.

But who was phone?

 

[ErasureAcer]

So what "Other" is going to show up in Sayid's X world? Lennon?

It'd be fitting if Tom showed up in Sawyer's.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Oh I know that, it's why I was so down on the first couple of eps. :lol I hated the idea of it being an epilogue. The Dogen X instance and the appendix thing have convinced me that it is not an epilogue.

Why are you so giddy over the appendix and Dogen X? They are just +2 to the long list of changes and character interaction. Nothing better or worse than what we already seen.

Jack's neck wound, characters noticing each other, and Claire naming the child Aaron are the things connecting both timelines.

I don't see any evidence to decide on epilogue or not.

 

[Panda Bear]

Why are you so giddy over the appendix and Dogen X? They are just +2 to the list of changes and character interaction. Nothing better or worse than what we already seen.

Jack's neck wound and them noticing each other are the strongest things connecting both timelines.

I don't see any evidence to decide on epilogue or not.

Locke has no scar on his eye in the X timeline. If scars like Jack's supposedly carry over then Locke's would too.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Locke has no scar on his eye in the X timeline. If scars like Jack's supposedly carry over then Locke's would too.

Are you talking about the appendix scar? In LA X he got it taken out as a child. In Dead Locke timeline he got it taken out on the island. It's merely a difference added on to the long list of differences.

Are you talking about the wound on his neck? First, it's not a scar. Second, unlike Locke, we don't know why he got/gets it.

 

[Panda Bear]

Are you talking about the appendix scar? In LA X he got it taken out as a child. In Dead Locke timeline he got it taken out on the island. It's merely a difference added on to the long list of differences.

Are you talking about the wound on his neck? We don't know why he got it.

I'm putting it forward as evidence that the timeline is not an epilogue. An idea that could go with the timeline X being an epilogue could be that Jack got both scars on the island and that the thing about his appendix wasn't true. Not saying you put forth that argument, just making a statement that I think goes against any evidence the scars could be for an epilogue theory.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

I'm putting it forward as evidence that the timeline is not an epilogue. An idea that could go with the timeline X being an epilogue could be that Jack got both scars on the island and that the thing about his appendix wasn't true. Not saying you put forth that argument, just making a statement that I think goes against any evidence the scars could be for an epilogue theory.

You're saying his mother was wrong about when he got his appendix scar, that he never got it taken out in timeline LA X, and that it really carried over?

If Clair got Aarons name, Charlie got the idea he was supposed to die, Jack got the appendix scar and neck wound from the Dead Locke time line, and the fact that Characters are noticing each other, then that favors a merger into LA X timeline.

Jack getting the scar from Dead Locke timeline but seeing Locke not get his scar offers no conclusion whatsoever. Combined, they neutralize which way to lean.

 

[Panda Bear]

You're saying his mother was wrong about when he got his appendix scar, that he never got it taken out in timeline LA X, and that it really carried over?

I'm saying that's a theory. I certainly do not endorse that theory.

If Clair got Aarons name, Charlie got the idea he was supposed to die, Jack got the appendix scar and neck wound from the Dead Locke time line, and the fact that Characters are noticing each other, then that favors a merger into LA X timeline.

Jack getting the scar from Dead Locke timeline but seeing Locke not get his scar offers no conclusion whatsoever. Combined, they neutralize which way to lean.

Not really. If Jack's scar is from Dead Locke timeline then that would mean that anyone who had scars in that timeline would also have them in the X timeline. Since John Locke does not have his scar that nullifies the idea about scars pointing to the X timeline being an epilogue. I'm not saying it proves that the epilogue theory is wrong, but simply that scars cannot be used as evidence for that theory.

 

[c2morg]

You're saying his mother was wrong about when he got his appendix scar, that he never got it taken out in timeline LA X, and that it really carried over?

If Clair got Aarons name, Charlie got the idea he was supposed to die, Jack got the appendix scar and neck wound from the Dead Locke time line, and the fact that Characters are noticing each other, then that favors a merger into LA X timeline.

Jack getting the scar from Dead Locke timeline but seeing Locke not get his scar offers no conclusion whatsoever. Combined, they neutralize which way to lean.

I thought the LA X timeline represented what would of happened if Jacob had not met the losties when they were young and manipulated there lives so they landed on the island.

The fact they are meeting up in LA X timeline is part of a bigger point that will come clear later on I think.

 

[Andvary]

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Above average episode.

Hurley was probably the best part of the episode for me, with the Indiana Jones, samurai, and other references. Also, he asked relevant questions to Jacob. That's rare for a Lost character.

Otherwise, I wasn't blown away. Emile de Ravin just did not sell crazy Claire to me. I can't really put my finger on it, but I just wasn't creeped out, scared, or sympathetic to her, ultimately apathetic. I might just be too harsh, I haven't heard the same complaint from others.

And Jack. Oh, Jack. I am now even more convinced that I am no where near on Team Jack. Reading memles' review, I understood and agreed with the turmoil that the Jack character has gone through and is going through. But I'm sorry, even if he is broken, does he have to act so emotional and irrational? How about using the Lighthouse for more than 30 seconds before destroying it? Maybe even open his eyes and notice that HE wasn't the only one being manipulated (He would especially want to notice the name Austen). This episode was Jack's journey, which apparently was paramount to Jack's destiny. On that journey, Jack smashed the only thing that deeply interested me.

I liked the homage last episode to the light and dark backgammon stones from season 1. Even though the caves suited Jack's character development, they felt like an unnecessary link to season 1. I felt that if it wasn't being explained, it wasn't necessary.

Locke > Jack

This is exactly what I feel about this episode, Hugo made it good.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

I thought the LA X timeline represented what would of happened if Jacob had not met the losties when they were young and manipulated there lives so they landed on the island.

The fact they are meeting up in LA X timeline is part of a bigger point that will come clear later on I think.

Brainstorming:

Them running into each other means they are drawn to each other and it's fate.

Them remembering each other, it seems, is a big point I await.

I thought about something just now. People keep criticizing Jacob. But, the fact that they get drawn together means they are special. So, it's hard to say he randomly chose them to screw with it seems.

 

[Solo]

LA X is NOT an epilogue. Not only would that be mind numbingly stupid, but theres also the fact that Locke, Charlie and Boone are alive in it.

 

[Jex]

LA X is NOT an epilogue. Not only would that be mind numbingly stupid, but theres also the fact that Locke, Charlie and Boone are alive in it.

Dude, I hear the island has crazy powers!

 

[C.Dark.DN]

LA X is NOT an epilogue. Not only would that be mind numbingly stupid, but theres also the fact that Locke, Charlie and Boone are alive in it.

Not liking or wanting an epilogue is irrelevant. I wouldn't like it myself. We can shit in one hand and want/dislike in the other and see which one gets filled first.

But, I'm sorry, Jack's appendix, Dogan, Charlie and Boone being alive is retarded evidence to discredit an epilogue. Everything thus far easily leads to a reset with memories carrying over.

I want there to be more to it. But, lame evidence isn't going to convince me.

 

[StuBurns]

Darlton have commented a number of times that fans have for years been asking for an 'After Lost', as much as it would be moronic for the X world to be events directly after the last scene of Lost (another restart?) it wouldn't shock me at all, but I don't think it makes much logical sense based on what we've seen so far.

 

[MMaRsu]

Not liking or wanting an epilogue is irrelevant. I wouldn't like it myself. We can shit in one hand and want/dislike in the other and see which one gets filled first.

But, I'm sorry, Jack's appendix, Dogan, Charlie and Boone being alive is retarded evidence to discredit an epilogue. Everything thus far easily leads to a reset with memories carrying over.

I want there to be more to it. But, lame evidence isn't going to convince me.

It's NOT an epilogue. Why do you need evidence?

 

[Solo]

Charlie and Boone being alive is retarded evidence to discredit an epilogue.

Charlie and Boone are DEAD, remember? If this is an epilogue, how are they alive? How is it 2004? This being an epilogue would mean that they are doing a reset, which
a) is literally THE worst ending this show could ever have ("hey guys, remember the previous six seasons? The Losties dont, lolz"), and;
b) Lindelcuse have said they wont do

Again, this ISN'T an epilogue.

 

[numble]

Charlie and Boone are DEAD, remember? If this is an epilogue, how are they alive? How is it 2004? This being an epilogue would mean that they are doing a reset, which
a) is literally THE worst ending this show could ever have ("hey guys, remember the previous six seasons? The Losties dont, lolz"), and;
b) Lindelcuse have said they wont do

Again, this ISN'T an epilogue.

It's not exactly a reset though--an exact reset would have Jack back in 2004 with a buzzcut, an intact appendix and no kid.

 

[Solo]

It's not exactly a reset though--an exact reset would have Jack back in 2004 with a buzzcut, an intact appendix and no kid.

Okay, let me rephrase: a reset in the ways that ACTUALLY MATTER :lol Who cares about Jack's hair or appendix? Jack forgetting everything that happened on the island as an epilogue would be the worst ending in television history. Thankfully, its not going to happen, as Lindelcuse have said.

Why are we even debating this?

 

[TheGreatDave]

Solo is right. It would easily be the worst ending imaginable, and seems to go against anything I expect from Darlton and co in terms of storytelling.

 

[Jill Sandwich]

The worst ending would be it all happened in a snowglobe that Vincent was chewing on.

 

[TheGreatDave]

The worst ending would be it all happened in a snowglobe that Vincent was chewing on.

Worst ending will be if John Locke comes back to life and saves the island.

 

[JaseC]

The worst ending would be it all happened in a snowglobe that Vincent was chewing on.

I think you mean 'the best ending'.

 

[Solo]

They've had 3.5 years to plan the ending. If the best they could come up with is a reset, then :lol
LOST is a show whose finale will, and should, be held to a higher standard because they had the fucking rare knowledge of their end date years in advance.

 

[gdt]

A reset would never happen.

It would absolutely ruin the show.

 

[Arjen]

They've had 3.5 years to plan the ending. If the best they could come up with is a reset, then :lol
LOST is a show whose finale will, and should, be held to a higher standard because they had the fucking rare knowledge of their end date years in advance.

It better be good. If it's some sort of Sopranos ending, dividing the fans in two, i'm pretty sure the whole internet will explode :lol

 

[gdt]

It better be good. If it's some sort of Sopranos ending, dividing the fans in two, i'm pretty sure the whole internet will explode :lol

It most certainly will divide the fans in two :lol .


Side note, I loved the Sopranos' ending, but that wouldn't work for LOST.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Dude.



DUDE.


What if the X timeline is happening before our timeline?

 

[C.Dark.DN]

It's NOT an epilogue. Why do you need evidence?

I don't NEED evidence. People are GIVING lame evidence that can easily supports an epilogue.

Charlie and Boone are DEAD, remember? If this is an epilogue, how are they alive? How is it 2004? This being an epilogue would mean that they are doing a reset, which
a) is literally THE worst ending this show could ever have ("hey guys, remember the previous six seasons? The Losties dont, lolz"), and;
b) Lindelcuse have said they wont do

Again, this ISN'T an epilogue.

How would Boone and Charlie be alive in the a Epilogue? Very simple. A valid theory is that the bomb created the timeline. What Juliet said isn't to be looked at lightly. You have to keep the bomb theory on the table. If so, the timeline would have diverged in the past and flash Charlie/Boon being alive has nothing to do with their deaths in the original time line.

Again, I do not care how stupid you think it would be. Assuming "no reset" means "no epilogue" is a valid interpretation. But, you guys need to stop giving bad evidence to further support it. The appendix scar transferring over rather than being taken out as a child can easily imply convergence from the original time line into the new time line.

As of right now, I see nothing that has the new time line converging into the original time line. Not saying it wont. For it to not be an epilogue, it has to happen.

 

[Solo]

Its like beating my head against a wall. Too much blood now. I give up.

 

[brandonh83]

Want proof that it's not an epilogue?

Matthew Fox, paraphrasing: "About halfway through the show, the two timelines will converge and then it will be a straight shot to the finale."

Meaning that the events in timeline X are leading up to a certain trigger point in which, after the proverbial gun is fired, will mesh with the island timeline, and then from there it will play out in a classic linear fashion through the rest of the season.

Therefore, it is not an epilogue. That would be horribly anti-climactic.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

As of right now, I see nothing that has the new time line converging into the original time line. Not saying it wont. For it to not be an epilogue, it has to happen.

"We can go dutch."

 

[Calcaneus]

I'll say it right now, fuck this show if it ends in a reset.

How the hell do you end a show that is all about how this island changed these people's lives, with them never even remembering or experiencing the island?

 

[Zeliard]

Yeah, it's not going to be an epilogue. I agree with the people who say that timeline X was purposefully "manufactured" for reasons we've yet to attain.

 

[Solo]

How the hell do you end a show that is all about how this island changed these people's lives, with them never even remembering or experiencing the island?

You don't. Thats why people are being moronic by even suggesting it.