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LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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NimbusD said:
Two major things come to my head. The bomb had nothing to do with anything, and the island being sunk was also a silly red herring that means nothing.

Very mixed here.

The island was a red herring, but my guess is that the shot was from WAY in the future after the island actually did sink. They just wanted us to believe it would happen during this season's timeframe.
 
omg rite said:
The ending of this has made me doubt the intelligence of some people. The ending was actually VERY simple and self-explanatory. They didn't all die right then. They all continued to live their lives. Sawyer, Kate, Richard, Miles, etc. all went home and lived their lives until they died. Hurley, Ben, Desmond, Rose, etc. continued to live their lives until they died. Many perhaps from old age.

There's no special twist to that. There's tons of stuff that happened between them getting off the island (or staying on it) and them dying. Desmond most likely got off and was reunited with Penny again, for example.

Some people seem to be questioning that they were dead the whole time but like ... the answer is right there.

The shots of the plane being crashed at the end after Jack lies down as well as Jack dying in the same spot he landed in leave at least a little room for that kind of speculation. Frankly, I would love it if they duped us and everything we ever saw had been purgatory. Would deal with pretty much every issue I ever had. :lol

Frankly, though, there's only solution for all of this- one last Lost rewatch. From the beginning, complete with the knowledge of the end. People can write up their lists of unanswered questions as they appear, point to hints we only now can get, and so on.
 
StoOgE said:
I don't get how people are happy with the ending?

They waved a giant fiat stick at 99% of the shit that has happened since season 4. Worse than Dr. Who has ever thought about.

Time travel? Magic.
Fake world? Afterlife
Character arcs - no we actually killed all of those characters and instead of giving their stories resolution we gave them a happy afterlife to neck in a church in instead.
I would rather have my penis put through a meat grinder than be as soulless and boring and as much of a douchebag as you are.
 
MomoPufflet said:
Bringing back Sayid's 'love' for Shannon was so contrived and stupid. All that talk of Nadia and she gets left in the dust in the end. Fucking lame.

True. I liked the ending but this was a very strange decision. Nadia was his true love and wife, Shannon was a brief fling.
 
Solo said:
Last one of these ever, I promise :lol

Best episode of the entire series. Profound, heartfelt, extremely touching and poignant. And it ended on such an uplifting and hopeful note like I always hoped it would. Whatever problems Ive had with the show over the years, the destination ended up being even better than the journey. Fucking incredible. From a character perspective, I don’t know how anybody could go wanting. Im the worlds biggest John Locke fan, and I was 100% satisfied and at peace with the closeout to his story. Just seeing him there smiling again was enough for me. What follows next are my thoughts as I jotted them down during the episode. No editing done, because its pure emotion and I don’t like to stifle that.

- the opening sequence was fucking beautiful
- loved the Kate X/Desmond scene – I wish they’d had more scenes together in the series
- Hurley :“I have a bad feeling about this” :lol
- Charlie!
- I LOVED the Hugo X and Charlie X first scene; it felt like one old friend seeing another he thought was lost forever
- Hollywood and Vines!
- Kate: “nothing is irreversible” :D
- MIB is NOT fucking around. Damn
- Juliet!
- 1st cry: when Sun and Jin flashed: I was fucking bawling my eyes out
- holy shit, Hollywood and Vines fuckawesome re-arrangement!
- Locke X/Jack X scene is another classic between them
- loved that Richard is now mortal and free again now that Jack is the new Jacob
- okay, I have to admit, Jack’s “Im going to kill you” to MIB was awesome
- Locke, Jack, and Desmond going the rest of the way themselves? The three pillars of LOST!
- Shannon!
- 2nd cry: Sayid and Shannon flashed: they are KNOCKING these out of the park
- Boone!
- LOVED Jack’s empassioned defence of Locke to MIB – big love to you, Jack
- awesome recreation of the Locke/Jack looking down into the hatch scene
- Charlie: “I was shot by a fat guy” :lol
- Charlie and Claire seeing eachother at the concert <3
- OMG MIB is no longer Smokey!
- 3rd cry: Kate and Claire and then Claire and Charlie flashing – I LITERALLY haven’t cried that hard since I was a little boy
- the Jack/MIB fight was fucking epic as fuck
- MIB: “Jack, I want you to know that you died for nothing” FUUUUUUU
- 4th cry: Locke’s flash – OMG OMG OMG Locke’d Out Again and Walkabout flashing – tears of joy!
- Ben: “if the island’s going down, then Im going down with it” :(
- Jack and Kate’s goodbye was perfect, very touching
- 5th cry: Sawyer and Juliet’s flash – nothing tugs at the heartstrings like lost love found
- loved Jack making Hugo the next Jacob – very touching
- Jack: “Ill see you in another life, brother”
- this episode is intense as fuck
- OMG Parting Words!
- smilin’ John Fucking Locke – seriously, how great is this? :D
- Ben’s apology to Locke – fucking incredible; “I forgive you, Ben”
- 6th cry: Jack’s flash – rounding out everyone
- fucking beautiful final montage to Theres No Place Like Home; fitting
- nice 360 with ending on a shot of Jack in the jungle
- beautiful end credits, loved seeing the fuselage one last time
- 7th cry: when it was all over – I started losing it during the montage

Final episode rankings: The End Pt. 1 and Pt.2 > the rest of LOST > What They Died For > The Candidate > Dr. Linus > The Substitute > Ab Aeterno > Happily Ever After > The Last Recruit > LA X Pt.1 and Pt.2 > The Package > Sundown > Lighthouse > Everybody Loves Hugo > Across The Sea > Recon > What Kate Does


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I think what's screwing some people up is that we've spent the whole season thinking of the sideways as branching off where it really would have been if it was the alternate reality. It's not.

Like with the fakeout in season 3, this was also a flash forward. It's just forward into another reality as well.
 
Jon said:
This thread is moving impossibly fast, but what happened to everyone in the plane at the end?

(I am piecing everything together...I've almost got it)

they lived until some point in the future.. where the met up in the afterlife.
 
Solo said:
I am still half in tears, while half maniacally laughing at how awesome that was. Ive got the biggest shit eating grin on my face.

Ive had my doubts, LORD KNOWS Ive had my doubts over the years, but this finale went above and beyond anything I could have imagined. It was better than even my wildest dreams even approximated.

Every. Single. Character. Got an incredible end to their story.
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BertramCooper said:
No, I don't think that's right at all.

As others have stated, the only thing the bomb going off did was jump them to 2007. It had nothing to do with the X-verse.

It's all subjective, of course, but it seems pretty clear. Well, to me at least. :lol

Totally disagree, but c'est la vie. Christian said they built it together. I believe him, and I believe that that's how.
 
Solo: I can't believe that, after our opinions on seasons 3 and 5, we'd agree so much on the finale. I'm baffled. Color me completely fucking shocked.


Second, Stooge, I'm in South Austin and would gladly take those blu rays from you. And any barbecue you may have left over, for the record.
 
NewLib said:
I liked the ending at the moment it ended. However, the more I keep thinking about the ending, more and more don't make sense.

Seems like everyone turned off their brains and have yet to switch 'em back on. The moment you start reflecting on that garbage twist, everything falls apart.
 
Magnus said:
The horseshit explanation for the LA X universe basically disembowels half of Season 6. What a beautiful ending, until those last ten disastrous minutes.

I have a feeling you're going to be in the very, very small minority on this one.
 
StoOgE said:
The entire island is protecting a god damned rock from being moved?

REALLY?

What was Desmond's "power"? Seeing the afterlife and thinking it was real?

Almost destroying the island? So that Jack could undestroy it by putting the fucking rock back where it went?

The entire flash sideways was a fake world that they had created? Than why did Faraday think he had set off the bomb? To trick us?

Smoke monster died with an hour to go... gunshot wound via Kate?

I guess Desmond moving the Rock undid the "rules" Jacob had set up so that he could be killed? So that Jack could die to put the island back where it went.

What a horseshit ending. Basis in science or even logic within the show my ass. They were making it up. The ending was completely pointless.

FUCK

Thank you!! I was beginning to think I was alone with this opinion. Pointless was the first word that came to mind regarding these and many other unanswered questions.
 
I thought it was just okay. I was really hoping to see Sawyer meet his daughter "Clementine" but that would have messed with the whole Juliet thing. I was also saddened by the lack of Eko.

Oh and putting Vincent with Jack was a really cheap ploy to make his final moments emotional. They should have let Jack's character stand on his own instead of playing on the fact that we all like dogs.
 
schuelma said:
I get everything except for what effect Jughead had. Obviously it didn't kill everyone, but I'm having a hard time connecting it to some purposeful plan to create sideways world.
That and showing a sunk island. Those where just red herring to introduce what otherwise I think could have been an effective story telling device if not for the blatant misdirection.
 
Here is the deal.

I really really liked this episode right up until the afterlife reveal.

I thought Desmond was building an army and was going to come charging in and fuck shit up.

Instead, Jacob sent Desmond and Widmore to the island in order to potentially destroy the island and let Smokey off?

Hopefully in a day or two I am less pissed off.. but this episode answered nothing at all..

where was MIB's resolution?

Desmond?

Kate?

Sawyer?

There as no fucking resolution to ANYONE other than *maybe* Jack.
 
traveler said:
The shots of the plane being crashed at the end after Jack lies down as well as Jack dying in the same spot he landed in leave at least a little room for that kind of speculation. Frankly, I would love it if they duped us and everything we ever saw had been purgatory. Would deal with pretty much every issue I ever had. :lol

Frankly, though, there's only solution for all of this- one last Lost rewatch. From the beginning, complete with the knowledge of the end. People can write up their lists of unanswered questions as they appear, point to hints we only now can get, and so on.
The plane didn't crash. It flew away.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Definitely a Christian ending with a bent towards Catholisism (purgatory and heaven). The "Christian Shepard", the ending in a church, all of the cross symbolism in the final scenes. Pretty epic way to end an awesome series.

Except the stained glass window had 5 different religious symbols + the donkey wheel for good measure. Guess they were trying to deflect that some what :D
 
This was the greatest television finale ever.

This moved me. I gotta be honest, I don't know if it's just because where I'm at with my life and the fact I was extremely tired before watching this, but I was moved to tears... like close to hyper-ventalating tears... it was just so perfect.
 
Charron said:
Which is why Walt et. al. aren't there, they escaped and moved on and all that stuff. They weren't part of "the group".

Ahhhh, I understand now... when you put it like that, it would explain why we didn't see Richard (who lives forever), Eko (who "let go" once he met Smokey as his brother), Walt (who moved on long ago since he was only there as a child), and so on.

Funny... it's as if C & L realized people were calling the island purgatory for years, and decided to flip it upside down by making the "off island" segments the afterlife/purgatory/whatever and the island the actual reality. :lol I likes!


However, I think they kept their original idea of ending it where as the characters were dead (that is, if they really did plan out this ending years ago).

Anywho... I loved it.
Seeing Christian reminded me of MGS4, when
Big Boss made that cheesy appearance to Snake at the end. I knew it was coming, but at the same time I was like... wat?
 
Anyone else get a Gurren Lagann vibe from the ending?

Funny to see people accept that there are ghosts talking to people on the island but the concept of an afterlife or afterlife waiting room crosses the line.
 
You know...Sayid always loved Nadia. Him being all lovey dovey with Shannon didn't make much sense to me. He made the deal with MIB to get back Nadia. WTF?
 
wow!

I got a call from my dad, he barely follows LOST, but enough to know whats up with the characters. He just told me how amazing he found the ending :lol :D
 
Just watched the last few minutes again knowing that nothing else was coming an god damn I'm crying.

When Jack looks up all I can think is that Kate wouldn't see him again until that concert and always wonder what happened to him. This episode made me love Kate. Holy fuck.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Definitely a Christian ending with a bent towards Catholisism (purgatory and heaven). The "Christian Shepard", the ending in a church, all of the cross symbolism in the final scenes. Pretty epic way to end an awesome series.

Maybe. I think they did a pretty good job at keeping which afterlife it was supposed to be vague. The stained glass behind Christian in the part with him and Jack seemed to represent a wide variety of religions.
 
Literally THE ONLY thing that I didnt get tonight that I really wanted was Ghost Locke appearing to Jack after he put the plug back in to help him out.

But I guess if the plan was for Jack to die, then Ghost Locke doesnt make a lot of sense.
 
Also, Penny had already moved on and was waiting for Desmond. Desmond's feelings for her were so strong that he not only wanted to move on himself to meet her but was willing to drag anybody else along kicking and screaming. If you are at all a fan of Desmond and Penny, you can't not love this finale. You aren't allowed. It's against the Rules.
 
ABC is done after this.

Have you seen all of their shows next year? More lawyer and cop shows.
 
I think people are looking to much into that scene during the credits of an empty 815 wreckage. I think that was just shown to signify the series is over. Like a "Hey everyone, this is the last time you'll see our set before it's taken down. This is where it all started." Kind of deal.
 
VALIS said:
True. I liked the ending but this was a very strange decision. Nadia was his true love and wife, Shannon was a brief fling.
Yeah that seemed like a cop out to me, just to get Shannon back.

SO if desmond never was flashed with light they'd just go through this afterlife never being "awakened"?
 
My final Lost prediction:

Some people are going to end up more confused after watching the alternate endings.
 
The church is the gate to Heaven, Jacob is their guide ala Jacob's ladder, Christian Sheppard, the Island is purgatory, the alternate reality is a place to fulfill human desires (heaven-like) until passing on...it's all quite simple, stop overanalyzing hoping for a scientific answer.
 
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