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LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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Willy105 said:
The show was made as they go along until the second half of Season 3, that's when they decided the end.
My understanding was after the pilot, Abrams and Lindelof wrote the basic outline of the show. Of course it was not a week for week document. That material was written before each season at the writers 'camps'.

I don't know how much people can expect from writers under that situation. To write that material, they would have had to be allowed to work on just that for months, and would need to know how many seasons/episodes they have, and know the exact casting for the whole thing, when people were going to leave the show etc.

It's just not possible in the TV world.
 
That finale was embarrassing; really, what was the point of the entire show other than to ask question after question that would never get resolved. After the BSG finale, I figured Lost would go religious too; easier to explain fantasy with fantasy I guess? Utter garbage.
 
DanielPlainview said:
that second Inception TV spot that aired during LOST was new, right? Not one of the four previously known. Can anyone find it?
So..it..happened...
Speeding is dead, he said he'd die if this had happened. I think that's why he hasn't been here the entire day.
 
I didn't like the ending because it didn't cater to my test of pseudo-science-fiction that was behind many of the show's compelling mysteries.

But it was a nice episode to watch. My best memories of this show will always be around Locke and the hatch and the mystery that initially surrounded it. Otherwise... great characters that will be missed, not much else.

Time to move on kids.
 
I really think that when they said they knew the beginning and ending of the show from the outset, that all they had on paper was "First shot, Jack opens his eyes to open the story. Last shot, Jack closes his eyes to close the story."
 
cory said:
An interesting observation on Lostpedia.

Whoa...and when the both Jack and Sawyer unplugged their respective objects, the lights went out. And after they plugged them back in, the lights came on. Literally in Jack's case, figuratively in Sawyer's case (he and Juliet awakened, and so the lights came on in their heads).
 
CAN SOMEONE REPOST THE LAPIDUS IN BLUE HEAVEN PIC? I been clicking through this thread and can't find it.
BenjaminBirdie said:
Well, fair enough. I personally think LOST was juggling a lot more balls in the air, but that's like just my opinion man.
well no one asked Lost's writers to throw a bunch of crap at a wall and see what sticks. You don't get credit for juggling a bunch of balls if you juggle poorly. The Wire is pretty ambitious in its own right and pulled off some ballsy moves.
 
Alucard said:
I really think that when they said they knew the beginning and ending of the show from the outset, that all they had on paper was "First shot, Jack opens his eyes to open the story. Last shot, Jack closes his eyes to close the story."

Sure, I can go with that. Again, they had to shit out the pilot in no time at all. The fact that it became perhaps the finest pilot ever is nothing short of a miracle.
 
Byakuya769 said:
"hey Desmond, I know you could do this and survive easily, but I think i need to do this. I was MEANT TO DO THIS."

"wait, brothah.. oh, well okay. You're pretty persuasive."

"See you in another lifetime."

Gaf - OMG, OMG brilliant!

normal human being - but that doesn't make any sense...

GAF -SHUT UP.

Didn't he die from a 6 or 7 inch knife going into him? He didn't seem any worse after he rebooted the island.
 
kinoki said:
You could argue that whoever is in that room were the people who was so Lost in their lives that they only found meaning on the Island. Michael wound meaning in his son, not the island. Eko found meaning in religion and not the island. Etc, etc. Atleast that's one way to explain it.
Doesnt explain Penny being there, Wait she was there right?
 
Solo said:
Sure, I can go with that. Again, they had to shit out the pilot in no time at all. The fact that it became perhaps the finest pilot ever is nothing short of a miracle.

I agree with you on that. The first episode of Lost was nothing short of epic.
 
Alucard said:
I really think that when they said they knew the beginning and ending of the show from the outset, that all they had on paper was "First shot, Jack opens his eyes to open the story. Last shot, Jack closes his eyes to close the story."
I think it was more like this.

"Jack becomes leader of the island. Breaks the island. Kills the antagonist (to be detailed later). Hurley (audience proxy) becomes the leader. Jack fixes the island. Jack dies in a scene echoing the introduction."
 
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StoOgE said:
It jumped around. There was an ash circle... various people were seen in it at various times. Some people could find it, others couldn't.

The cabin wasn't so much a mystery as it was pointless.
The cabin was the start to MiB's long con of Locke becoming the leader of the others.
 
criesofthepast said:
Helen should have been there with Locke in the end. Moving on together. What the hell is he going to do in heaven all by himself?

She'll get there too, and be with Locke. They just took different trains.

Can you imagine Locke, Jack, Helen and Kate having a BBQ and some beers in the afterlife? :D
 
:lol@ Lapidus doesn't care about you.

I'll be a man and admit this episode made me cry my eyes out when I realize I will never motorboat Juliet's breasts in my lifetime ever.
 
StoOgE said:
It jumped around. There was an ash circle... various people were seen in it at various times. Some people could find it, others couldn't.

The cabin wasn't so much a mystery as it was pointless.
The cabin was Jacob's. It was taken over by Smokey when the ring was broken.

It was important because it was a meeting place at various times for various things, but the emphasis was on what happened there, not on the cabin itself. It's as significant as the lighthouse or the caves were for whatever that's worth.

EDIT> After the season 5 finale, I never thought Jacob was in it, but as is obvious I'm hazy about the location's actual significance. I was thinking Smokey was in the cabin the entire time and the only ones that would notice the seal broken is The Others and Jacob's hit squad and that was manily due to it being daytime.
 
criesofthepast said:
Helen should have been there with Locke in the end. Moving on together. What the hell is he going to do in heaven all by himself?
Helen wasn't real in sideways, or at least they weren't happy together in the real world. The only love Locke found in his real life was love of the Island.
 
DrBo42 said:
Didn't he die from a 6 or 7 inch knife going into him? He didn't seem any worse after he rebooted the island.

As opposed to gun shot wounds. He died from bleeding out after walking across the island, being lowered down by rope (and dropped), and moving rocks and shit. He himself said he could stitch it up with some thread.
 
infinityBCRT said:
The cabin was the start to MiB's long con of Locke becoming the leader of the others.
Really? It could have been a lot earlier than that. I would say the moment he woke up with the ability to walk. Locke 'knew' things his character should not have from very early on. He knew where Jack was going to be when he went looking for water for example.
 
Solo said:
I hereby request that Locke is henceforth known as Love.
the fuck, how'd I do that?! :lol :lol

Jack vs. Love. That's some deep shit. Oceans deep! trust me... yeah...
 
JGS said:
Of course they didn't. They were living check to check like 90% of the series out there. It had to remain open ended until they were given permission to wrap it up.
Right, but I feel like the writers should have taken more care in having solid answers before putting in the questions. They did a disservice to their fans. I mean, anyone can make up crazy stuff that doesn't make any sense at first glance.

Just disappointed that in the very last 2-3 episodes, we got introduced to so much mystical/metaphorical stuff. Like the drinking of water from a cup to pass on Jacob's powers, or the golden cave plug, or the lighthouse mirror that can literally display images from random places. Things that basically need no explanation, because they are all assumed to be magical.

These took the place of the cool sci fi stuff we saw in the first few seasons, some of which were satisfactorily explained with logic and science, such as why there are polar bears on the islands (because the Dharma Initiative had a zoo).

In fact, we now know that people not being able to get off the island on boats and such isn't because of the weird electromagnetic properties of the island fucking with their compasses, it was because of Jacob's completely arbitrary "rules". Disappointing.
 
criesofthepast said:
Helen should have been there with Locke in the end. Moving on together. What the hell is he going to do in heaven all by himself?

He's with Jack, the one person he wanted to be with more than any other.


I'm telling you, there's gonna be lots of homo-erotic Jack/Locke fanfic. Solo can't wait./joke


(First line is true though)
 
cory said:
An interesting observation on Lostpedia.

When Juliet tells Sawyer the secret to get the candy bar out of the vending machine, she says you can unplug it and plug it back in again and its technically legal. This is what Desmond and Jack do with the Heart of the Island.
sonuvabitch

"It worked."
 
I'm shocked at the number of my friends on Facebook who say that they don't get the ending.

I can understand if the argument was they didn't like the ending, but to just say that you don't get it, seems pretty inexplicable. Christian gave you a 3 minute exposition at the end that fully explained it to you. He pretty much grabbed you by the balls and explained it to you in plain English.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. There are quite a few people in this thread that claim they are lost fans and still don't understand the Dharma Initiative or The Others and what their purpose was on the island.
 
bill0527 said:
I'm shocked at the number of my friends on Facebook who say that they don't get the ending.

I can understand if the argument was they didn't like the ending, but to just say that you don't get it, seems pretty inexplicable. Christian gave you a 3 minute exposition at the end that fully explained it to you. He pretty much grabbed you by the balls and explained it to you in plain English.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. There are quite a few people in this thread that claim they are lost fans and still don't understand the Dharma Initiative or The Others and what their purpose was on the island.

THEY NEVER EXPLAINED THE POLAR BEARS WTF.
 
cory said:
An interesting observation on Lostpedia.

When Juliet tells Sawyer the secret to get the candy bar out of the vending machine, she says you can unplug it and plug it back in again and its technically legal. This is what Desmond and Jack do with the Heart of the Island.

Mind-blowing. Really.
 
Is Desmond's consciousness flashing to the afterlife really a plot hole? It's something they created, so it would be in their heads already.
 
I've only watched like the first season of Lost, and I've heard bits and pieces of Lost discussion over the years from friends and in chatrooms online, and over the last few days, I decide to take a look at some synopsis for myself.

And all I have really been thinking to myself while I've delved further and further into the lost plot summaries is "what the fuck is this clusterfuck of shit?"



Jack, now believing that his destiny is on the island and more accepting of supernatural phenomena, gives Locke a pair of his father's old shoes. The Oceanic Six, although hesitant or not wishing to return to the island, are passengers on Ajira 316 and are consumed by bright flashes in the middle of their flight. Because the original flight was not recreated exactly, some of the survivors time travel and find themselves on the island in 1977.
We have a bunch of people who've escaped from the island who now decide their destiny is on the island for no apparent reason, and they, for some reason, are able to return to the island by recreating their previous flight, including impersonating some other passengers, and the island magically decides to teleport them to itself in 1977.


Jack is mortally wounded in a fight with the Man in Black, and dies at the end of the finale. He kills the Man in Black and saves the island and learns the alternate timeline is actually the afterlife where he reunites his father and friends who have died before and long after him.
So the man in black, which is apparently the smokey bear monster or whatever and the guy who resurrected sayid from the dead, fights Jack in a battle to the death in the series finale, and Jack finds out that the alternate reality, which, as far as I can tell, has been seen in episodes all the time since like the 2nd season, is simply a singularity that exists outside of the realm of space time, where everyone on the island meets up with everyone else from the island to make their peace and have a family reunion with each other. It is a place where individuals who mean a lot to each other, like those on the island, who die past, present, and future travel to together to reunite before they phaze out of existence or go to heaven or wherever. What the fuck is this shit?

And the island has the ability to travel through space time. the time traveling aspect of the island is activated by detonating hydrogen bombs to release all the electromagnetic energy stored inside the island's core. I swear to fucking god, that was the exact same plot device used by K.A. Appelgate in one of the Animorphs books. What the fuck is this shit?


I'm not trying to troll, I just seriously can't believe the story I've been exposed to from season 1 goes so fucking far off the deep end. It's the most convoluted mess of a plot I have ever read about. Maybe it makes more sense in the context of 120+ hours of television, but it sounds like a mindless jumbling of superstitious religion-inspired hand waving, unexplained plot devices pulled out of nowhere, and character logic that is completely illogical. Is this what everyone has been going crazy over for the last six years? Because I'm not impressed based on what I've read about seasons 2 through 5.
 
Korey said:
In fact, we now know that people not being able to get off the island on boats and such isn't because of the weird electromagnetic properties of the island fucking with their compasses, it was because of Jacob's completely arbitrary "rules". Disappointing.

False.
 
bill0527 said:
I can understand if the argument was they didn't like the ending, but to just say that you don't get it, seems pretty inexplicable. Christian gave you a 3 minute exposition at the end that fully explained it to you. He pretty much grabbed you by the balls and explained it to you in plain English.

Because the imagery was more shocking than what Jack's dad said. I watched the show with three other people and everyone was talking during that scene because of the church, what was on the window, etc. It can be easily missed, imo. Not even mentioning the credits scene...
 
I kinda liked it. I really didnt know what to expect since like someone said, they dropped the whole sci fi aspect of the show and went with mystic faith and stuff, wich i did not like very much. But i guess i liked it. The overhead shots in the jack vs flocke fight as cliche as it may have been, it was fucking epic.
 
MjFrancis said:
What was the point of the button at the Swan station if the fail-safe would keep everyone from dying in an electromagnetic disaster?The fail safe was risky, nobody knew how it would work. The button was a surefire method of containment. Why did the Light at the Heart of the Island manifest itself as electromagnetic energy in pockets all over the island? Because it's a magical light on an island. This doesn't matter much at all. How did it cause time travel? See above. Why did some people travel in time and others did not? The light "chose"/had a magnetism towards some and not others. Who finally attached the wheel to harness the power of the Heart of the Island (MiB never finished the job, as far as I could tell)? More wells were built. It could easily have been MIB. Why did the Others kidnap children? What was the point of the vaccines? Why did pregnant mothers die on the island? The others kidnapped children to study the island pregnancies. People couldn't have kids on-island after the Incident, thanks to the nuke. The vaccines were a way of controlling Desmond. How does Mikhail not die? He just survived. Wasn't supposed to be supernatural. WTF is up with Christian Shepard's competing roles throughout the series? MIB manifested as him more than once. Why did the smoke monster kill some people and let others live? The protection of the light dictated who he could and could not kill.

All of the questions are pretty rhetorical towards the forum, but demonstrate the sort of thing I'm looking for when I cruise through the Lostpedia. My distaste for character motivations fleshed out in two lines moments before they are killed shouldn't bother you in the least. I'm not uptight about other's preference towards the ending, but it doesn't alter my disappointment, either.
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And alright on character development. That's where we can easily agree to disagree.
 
bill0527 said:
I'm shocked at the number of my friends on Facebook who say that they don't get the ending.

I can understand if the argument was they didn't like the ending, but to just say that you don't get it, seems pretty inexplicable. Christian gave you a 3 minute exposition at the end that fully explained it to you. He pretty much grabbed you by the balls and explained it to you in plain English.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. There are quite a few people in this thread that claim they are lost fans and still don't understand the Dharma Initiative or The Others and what their purpose was on the island.

Dude, people are dumb. Just accept it.
 
gdt5016 said:
Viedt, do you think you can make me a gif of Jack's death walk/laying on the ground dying? I'd love that.

Sorry I didn't read this earlier, it got buried between all the posts.


ON IT.
 
GaimeGuy:

The alternate timeline refers only to the stuff in season 6, so it's not quite that bad. But, yes, there are a lot of pseudo-rules introduced during the course of the show (like having to recreate the details of the flight) that I think should have never even been introduced. It's worth critiquing, no doubt, but you should probably only do so after watching the whole series, as reading a summary and complaining based on that will get you flamed to hell and back. :lol
 
GaimeGuy said:
Inaccurate post..

Man, you guys who haven't watched the series, or just cannot understand the details, are making it really hard for some of us, who understand it and dislike it, to continue complaining about the conclusion of the series.
 
I'm so conflicted, I want to rewatch The End right now but I also think I should wait til my complete rewatch months from now. What do you guys think.

Also, what was the Lighthouse about, were the images on the mirror from the X timeline?
 
infinityBCRT said:
Helen wasn't real in sideways, or at least they weren't happy together in the real world. The only love Locke found in his real life was love of the Island.
I'm thinking that's the point. This wasn't about how many people in their life they met and loved. Kate could have gotten married and had kids after she left the island. She was a good mom. however, the ones who were most important and affected her life the most were Losties. How could they not be really?

Helen broke up with John and moved on. Plus she died and never met any other Lostie but John. She shouldn't have been there. Even Locke had closure with her at the cemetary.
 
Zoe said:
According to Ben it was.

But that just another layer over it. Fate if you will.

It's the same thing as

"What crashed 815? Desmond or Jacob."

In these questions, Jacob just equals fate.
 
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