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[leroy hacker]

Do tel, please. I haven't read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return#Friedrich_Nietzsche

Personally I thought the awakenings from rebirth in purgatory were more related to Buddhist ideas than to Nietzsche's.

 

[Dead]

Kinda too bad they couldn't put that in the finale, 2 and a half hour of lost would have been even more awesome .

There is no real narrative reason for a lot of the stuff that people want answered to be in the finale

The fact they are even bothering to create brand new material to answer stuff is good enough imo.

 

[StoOgE]

A better answer to an earlier question, spelled out more horrifically than I could imagine.

Like I said, I hadn't put a shitload of thought into it. I just wanted the X timeline to mean something. As it was, everything that happened in it was pointless up until the moment that people started to remember what was going on and then they did a 180 and became the actual character instead of x world character.

I wasn't crazy about any of the ways they could get out of the x timeline situation.. (or the x timeline at all) but I would have preferred that it had a point. As it stands, it was worthless until Desmond started rounding people up. All of the other shit that happened was pointless.

 

[Aesius]

Not enough Love has been given to the opening shots of the Finale

That opening panning shot of the Oceanic plane was just perfect imo

Dude - definitely.

I knew the episode was special from that very opening shot of the coffin being loaded off the plane. Incredible direction and cinematography on that shot.

 

[Terrell]

Six Feet Under finale >>>>>>>>>>>>> Supernatural season finale > Lost finale

Anyone think that maybe the "transferring" of power from Jacob to Jack to Hurley could be complete bullshit? I mean, Jack doesn't actually use any powers, nor does he heal after the cork is put back in (even if he gave power to Hurley, saying "now you're like me" implies that he should still have powers). Then there's the fact that Hurley shows up in the end with the rest of 815, which shows that either he isn't immortal, or he was killed by someone on the island, in which case the island is still in danger of being destroyed.

I can understand why Jacob had powers (born on the island, pure in heart/spirit) but I think the whole "successor" thing was more about leaving a protector behind rather than actually bestowing powers upon them.

Ever think about why Linus didn't go with them? Hurley wanted to be with his friends, made Linus the new successor and then died to be with the people he cared about. Hence the line about him being a terrific #2 and why he didn't go inside, because he wasn't dead and couldn't go with them.

What...please tell me, was the purpose of Sun and Jin not being married in the alt timeline?

It was the way to have them experience the loving and passionate relationship they developed on the island, something that existed despite their originally loveless marriage, not because of it.

 

[neoism]

also can someone link me to the page of all the gifs made if their was any??????????

 

[MMaRsu]

Is anyone a little sad that they decided not to put in one last twist? One last thing to keep us guessing?

 

[Mifune]

Do tel, please. I haven't read.


And where is chipopo and his earth-shattering theory??!

Well, off the top of my head, eternal return is this theory that we live our lives over and over and over again, but we make the same choices and mistakes every time because we don't have any other life to compare it to.

LOST gives the characters that other life (one without the island) to offer a comparison so that they can achieve enlightenment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return

 

[bean breath]

Anyone have the links for that Lost Times talk/Q & A?

 

[Majmun]

I still can't believe the show is over. The more I think about the ending, the more I love the show. ;_;

 

[KevinCow]

I agree...here is a quote from the co-creator of A2A of why I think that ending worked for me and this one didn't even though thematically they were very similar:

"The thing is that you should be able to guess. When you get to the end, you should be able to say ‘oh yes'. It's not an out-of-nowhere thing, because I think that would be a cheat."

If I had been able to guess Lost's ending, it would have sucked. One final twist was the best way - no, the only way the show could have gone out.

 

[Costanza]

Is anyone a little sad that they decided not to put in one last twist? One last thing to keep us guessing?

Yeah, I was expecting one but I'm glad we got such perfect closure on the characters.

 

[Desiato]

Season 2 Desmond: "You've got to lift it up, brotha."

He knew about the cork all along!

 

[gdt]

Kinda too bad they couldn't put that in the finale, 2 and a half hour of lost would have been even more awesome .

Hell no.

Introducing a checklist of answers anywhere in the episode would have sucked emotion out of it.

 

[MMaRsu]

There is no real narrative reason for a lot of the stuff that people want answered to be in the finale

The fact they are even bothering to create brand new material to answer stuff is good enough imo.

Yeah I agree with that too . I'm glad they are doing it.. but they aren't creating new material are they? It's all already been shot.

Hell no.

Introducing a checklist of answers anywhere in the episode would have sucked emotion out of it.

Come on I'm not talking about a checklist.. They will have to fit in somewhere right?


Omg so Desmond doesn't know that the X timeline is purgatory? I'm talking about Island Desmond. That's why he said to Jack like it doesn't matter, there's a place where the island didn't crash, we sat next to eachother in 815, you seemed happy.

What's up with that?

 

[Kurtofan]

Beautiful.
I just finished watching it and it was beautiful.
When I think that Lost has ended forever it makes me sad
Jack dying with Vincent lying next to him made me shed a tear.
Poor Ben staying out the church too.
The End of an era.
Edit:holy shit 146 pages I will never be able to read all of that :lol

 

[Madrin]

Terrible.

I watched the Ashes to Ashes finale on Friday, and it did what Lost tried to do and was successful on every level where Lost wasn't.

If you look at A2A, the series introduced a limited number of elements - most of them this series except for the time travel, brought them up repeatedly to remind the viewer of them, and pretty clearly (for the most part) explained what they were and why there were there.

This is structured, well thought out writing.

Lost threw the kitchen sink in, introduced elements that they had no idea what they meant or how they would be solved, left a bunch hanging and introduced elements in the last ten minutes that had nothing to do with the rest of the show that had been built up so far.

It was piss-poor, ill thought out writing.

I wasn't happy with the evangelical nature of either, but A2A at least seems to have had a semblance of a plan that actually was thought out before hand and made sense.

The only finale I can think of that was worse, was BSG's.

This is take from another forum I read...

"The finale didn't answer (or even hint at an answer) to a single question about the island, its origins, its function, the "light", Jacob, Jacob's mother, Jacob's magic powers, etc, etc. The only mystery it did resolve definitively was the "what the heck is this alternate reality" question - something that was only introduced this season.

In other words, instead of addressing the central mysteries that have driven the show since the beginning, the writers conjured up a brand new mystery at the beginning of this season, and then used the *series* finale to resolve only that new mystery. And the resolution to that mystery - that this group had such fun times on the island that they decided to share a slice of afterlife together - is utterly unconnected to any other mystery that has ever been raised in the show. How anyone could watch this and conclude the writers totally had this planned out from the start is beyond me - there's nothing in the finale that would support that interpretation.

Seriously, if you think about it, this "they had such fun together they decided to meet up again after they all died" device could be used as a feel-good tear-jerker ending to *any* ensemble show. It's really a totally meaningless cop-out ending."

I think that sums it up pretty nicely. I understand what the LAX timeline is. I just think it's dumb and only serves to singularly put Season 6 into context.

 

[Blader]

I love how, even in death, MIB still can't leave the island. His body didn't hit the water, where he could just drift away to some other place. He hit the rocks. He's still stuck on the island.

 

[Solo]

I am an avid lurker in Lost-GAF I try to read every post in these threads.

To preface I love LOST and have watched and rewatched almost every episode, I pop my head in these threads to see what the discussion is and to me the discussion is much of what makes LOST the great show that it is. I don't think LOST would ever have been as engaging if it were merely a show that we watch for face value. To that end I want to give a big shout out to Benjamin, Solo, Brandon, and the many many others that have been an active part of the discussions that I have enjoyed reading so much.

I'll admit I must have some downed braincells because I'm one of the people that just didn't fully 'get it'. This thread is gigantically large and I'm sure a redux of the intentions of the finale have been posted, I can't seem to find any in this large thread.

I feel like a need an enhanced perspective. Benjamin, Solo, or someone with a few more braincells left than I have, would you mind giving me a redux of what this finale meant you you, the avid losties? Or just link me to the posts that you have already done this in.

Thanks and much love LOST-GAF, this series would have never been as good for me without you guys.

Damn, dude. Im flattered. I cant quite put into words yet what the finale and the series at large meant to me (too soon), except to say that both meant a fucking lot. For the short-term, my raw thoughts on the episode can be found in post #3362. Hell, they can be found all over this thread

 

[Sadist]

also can someone link me to the page of all the gifs made if their was any??????????

 

[VALIS]

I'm not gonna argue with you. It didn't work for you, that's cool.

Part of the reason it worked so well for me is that, like I said, my favorite parts of the show WERE the character bits and redemption and whatnot. So in a way, this finale justified my choice of things to love about the series.

I can't speak for how well it worked for everyone else.

I get it and that's all fine, I'm not trying to take away anything from your appreciation of the episode or the series (both of which I'm in the middle on -- neither hate nor love). It's just "great art"... I dunno about that. "Great TV," okay. I'd personally reserve "great art" for something that didn't have so many raggedy loose ends. And I'm not even talking so much about the mysteries but even character sticking points like Sayid choosing Shannon over his wife when the show portrayed him as absolutely devastated over her death, or them constantly overlooking Sawyer's rash decisions (one of which was partly responsible for getting Sin & Jin killed), and so on. The show was brilliant and sloppy in equal measures, IMO.

One of the biggest things I'll give Lost credit for is its ambition. A ridiculously complex and convoluted story concerning subject matter well outside of the range of prime time TV. A big round of applause for that.

 

[Dead]

Is anyone a little sad that they decided not to put in one last twist? One last thing to keep us guessing?

Did anyone really expect what the Sideways was?

I never read even a single theory that got it right.

That counts as a twist imo.

 

[Korey]

"The finale didn't answer (or even hint at an answer) to a single question about the island, its origins, its function, the "light", Jacob, Jacob's mother, Jacob's magic powers, etc, etc. The only mystery it did resolve definitively was the "what the heck is this alternate reality" question - something that was only introduced this season.

In other words, instead of addressing the central mysteries that have driven the show since the beginning, the writers conjured up a brand new mystery at the beginning of this season, and then used the *series* finale to resolve only that new mystery. And the resolution to that mystery - that this group had such fun times on the island that they decided to share a slice of afterlife together - is utterly unconnected to any other mystery that has ever been raised in the show. How anyone could watch this and conclude the writers totally had this planned out from the start is beyond me - there's nothing in the finale that would support that interpretation.

Seriously, if you think about it, this "they had such fun together they decided to meet up again after they all died" device could be used as a feel-good tear-jerker ending to *any* ensemble show. It's really a totally meaningless cop-out ending."

Well put, whoever wrote that

 

[Aesius]

I love how, even in death, MIB still can't leave the island. His body didn't hit the water, where he could just drift away to some other place. He hit the rocks. He's still stuck on the island.

Nice catch.

That makes him even more tragic, IMO.

 

[Solo]

HOLY SHIT

The shot of Jack and MIB looking down at the light SAME FUCKING SHOT AT THE END OF S1

OMG OMG

I made this exact same proclaimaton last night :lol

 

[Madrin]

Hell no.

Introducing a checklist of answers anywhere in the episode would have sucked emotion out of it.

Providing answers and creating emotionally powerful drama are not mutually exclusive, and it was the artful balance of those two that has characterized Lost from the beginning. So it was disappointing to see the show lean completely to one side (emotional) for the finale.

 

[Lonestar]

There were great visual shots throughout the episode. My Favorite?

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I think that sums it up pretty nicely. I understand what the LAX timeline is. I just think it's dumb and only serves to singularly put Season 6 into context.

I don't know, I think the show has always been about free will and choices. LA X was another construct to help them face those concepts by confronting them with the absence of those choices.

 

[Solo]

He was weakened from the stabbing, he didn't Punt FLocke quit far enough to reach the water. Call it "Rock"

Shhhhh I was trying to draw elemental similarities, you buzzkill :lol

 

[MMaRsu]

Did anyone really expect what the Sideways was?

I never read even a single theory that got it right.

That counts as a twist imo.

Well I mean one last big question. What the sideways was was answered in the episode itself, I'm talking like one last mindfuck .

 

[pxleyes]

Is anyone a little sad that they decided not to put in one last twist? One last thing to keep us guessing?

Hurley becoming the new Jacob and Ben his #2 wasn't a twist enough? We get the impression from the end that they fulfill that job for quite a long time. Pretty big twist to me.

 

[Dead]

Jack to Sawyer in the Incident: "See you in LA"

I guess they did afterall ;_;

 

[Mifune]

I get it and that's all fine, I'm not trying to take away anything from your appreciation of the episode or the series (both of which I'm in the middle on -- neither hate nor love). It's just "great art"... I dunno about that. "Great TV," okay. I'd personally reserve "great art" for something that didn't have so many raggedy loose ends. And I'm not even talking so much about the mysteries but even character sticking points like Sayid choosing Shannon over his wife when the show portrayed him as absolutely devastated over her death, or them constantly overlooking Sawyer's rash decisions (one of which was partly responsible for getting Sin & Jin killed), and so on. The show was brilliant and sloppy in equal measures, IMO.

One of the biggest things I'll give Lost credit for is its ambition. A ridiculously complex and convoluted story concerning subject matter well outside of the range of prime time TV. A big round of applause for that.

I don't think I said, "great art." Just that it reached for art in its closing. And I think it got there.

I thought I wanted Desmond to collapse the two timelines so that consciousness would merge and we could have a kick-ass battle royale with Smokey. But you know what? I think the ending we got was more meaningful. That's what I mean by art.

 

[Solo]

She probably fucked everyone on that plane.

AT THE SAME TIME

bom chicka wah waaaah

 

[Jeff-DSA]

The Sideways was all about resolutions so people didn't throw a stink fest when it would have just ended with Jack watching the remaining survivors fly away while he bled out.

I loved the LA X resolution, so I'm glad it was there. It wasn't there to deflect from other mysteries, but to give full closure.

 

[TheGreatDave]

Stormy Island looked so good.

 

[thekad]

Like I said, I hadn't put a shitload of thought into it.

Obviously.

I just wanted the X timeline to mean something.

As it was, everything that happened in it was pointless up until the moment that people started to remember what was going on

and then they did a 180 and became the actual character instead of x world character.

 

[Ceres]

AT THE SAME TIME

bom chicka wah waaaah

That's whats in those missing 20 minutes.

 

[Kurtofan]

I want to be sure of something.
Jack's son didn't exist,right?

 

[Solo]

There were great visual shots throughout the episode. My Favorite?

"LOOOOOOOOCKE!"

 

[PetriP-TNT]

I loved the finale... RIP LOST

my favorite scenes from the finale

2. Jack jumping for Flocke
1. Jun and Jin regaining their memories

 

[brandonh83]

dear god this is ripping me apart :lol :lol

 

[Earl Cazone]

I cant remember, but did ben enter the church? If not: what does that mean, in the end?

Ah btw:
Omg. This is so unbelievably good. i cried bitter man tears. <3

 

[big ander]

So many shots were amazing, but I loved the high angle shot of Jack, Kate, Hurley walking as Hollywood and Vines played. So damn good.

 

[cyclonekruse]

Crap Ending,

They had no idea how they were going to end it.

That is all.

Really? To me it sounds like they had the ending pretty well mapped out for a long time.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I cant remember, but did ben enter the church? If not: what does that mean, in the end?

Ah btw:
Omg. This is so unbelievably good. i cried bitter man tears. <3

He didn't. He's not ready to accept the reality of his life yet.

 

[EliCash]

I feel the need to post my love for the finale as I have read the opinions of those who feel the need to post their hate.

After watching it again I have decided that The End is the best episode of television I have ever seen (bare with me.) At first I thought there were things that I didn't like about it - even although I still enjoyed it immensely. Normally I'm not big on series finales, with Twin Peaks being an exception - and at first I thought I felt unfulfilled when the final LOST flashed up on screen. However, I believe I was just afraid of letting go (lol soz). But I've now came to terms, at least I think I have, with the fact that Lost is over and I'm pretty certain that it's my favourite piece of fiction ever. I'm not sure though, time will tell if this is true.

Anyway all I know for absolute certain is that "The End" was an emotionally draining epic that was completely true to Lost's characters as we have known them. It was damn good television. I'm sorry, but I think anyone who argues with that is just wrong. It was thoroughly entertaining - even if you see Lost as illogical nonsense (which it is far from).

So many things made it work, the little touches like playing Richard's theme as he looked at the grey hair. Boone talking to Hurley as Shannon remembers with Sayid.

Everything was pretty much perfect. Especially the acting and the music throughout.

And Jack's death with Vincent lying by his side is probably my favourite shot of the show. The sense of nostalgia it brings - you can't ask anything more from a closing shot. In fact, make it my most favourite moment in television history.

Also, I think it has to be said that Ben sitting outside the church coming to terms with the things he has done and getting Locke's forgiveness was such a fitting end to his character. And the more I think about it, Kate and Sawyer (and Claire) being the only ones off of Oceanic 815 to leave the island was a good move - I don't really have a justification for this. It just feels right. Everything does.

And John Locke getting out of that chair, and smiling in the church - aware that he was indeed special. Jack finally, being able to fix everything. So good.

I've watched this show, as many of you have, for six years now. And to finally have it end is pretty surreal. I'm just happy it ended the way it did. And I'm sorry for those who weren't completely satisfied, or those who weren't satisfied at all. Because trust me, it feels good to be able to let go. Time to move on I guess.

 

[Hari Seldon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXcxctR3gVs

Probably already posted, but the Last Lost Untangled. Another catchy song.

Fake Kate is HOT!!!!!!!!

 

[Solo]

So I selectively rewatched the Sun/Jin flash, and it put rain in my eye again.

Also, how great is the scene where they meet Sawyer? They know who he is, and Jin obviously gets a rise out of him being a detective, but Sawyer doesnt remember them yet.

 

[Mifune]

By the way, BB, did you have any idea how perfect your subtitle for the thread would be?

Kinda sums it all up.