The moral of the story was the Tom led himself on. Lovelust is your own fault and your own problem.Cloudy said:Bullshit, she still led him on and used him as an emotional whore. Worst thing a girl can do to a guy who's not just trying to hit it and quit it. Or maybe I'm just bitter and I can relate to Tom cos I've been there
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Watch GIJOERBelong2Us said:
Foliorum Viridum
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Exactly. I don't understand why people dislike the character of Summer, because ultimately she was always honest with him about what she did and didn't want from the relationship.BowieZ said:
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Foliorum Viridum said:
True, but she was partly to blame for his mindset (playing house in Ikea, etc.), and didn't give any reason for her immediate cold turn. She went from hot to cold on Tom pretty quickly, and that's her right, but he at least deserved some reason. He was blindsided in the diner.
And she should have told him about being engaged before inviting him to the party.
Foliorum Viridum
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I agree, she had flaws, but on the whole she was a nice person, who just made one or two bad choices in regards to trying to save his feelings and whatnot.
DeathbyVolcano
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This film is not divisive at all, it's just like any film out there: there are going to be people who completely misinterpret it and create false negatives about the film.
But all I know is that I fucking loved it, and hit very close to home, and all my friends greatly enjoyed it. Best movie of the year.
But all I know is that I fucking loved it, and hit very close to home, and all my friends greatly enjoyed it. Best movie of the year.
PantherLotus
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BrandNew said:
It's a great little film, but it's not better than Inglorious Basterds, and that's not up for debate. If one wanted to debate whether 500 was better than Adventureland, that might be one worth having.
Smiles and Cries
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one of those I've been like this fool movies 
just saw it and enjoyed it not sure if I will watch it again... I did not hate Summer, I thought she was honest enough
just saw it and enjoyed it not sure if I will watch it again... I did not hate Summer, I thought she was honest enough
akachan ningen
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BrandNew said:
Maybe you liked it because you misinterpreted it.
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Blader5489 said:
Indeed!
DeathbyVolcano
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akachan ningen said:
What? No, I'm pretty certain I didn't, ass.
akachan ningen
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BrandNew said:
So basically liking this movie = right. Not liking it = wrong. And you call other people "ass."
DeathbyVolcano
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akachan ningen said:
That's exactly what I'm saying.
don't be dumb. I haven't called out anyone who doesn't like these types of films to begin with, or have an issue with the twee nature of the film. But the people creating this absurd conclusions are diluting the true nature of the film. You know, something that happens with any movie that requires a brain.
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BrandNew said:
What do you mean by "this absurd conclusions?" And what makes you think is "brainy?" It basically beats you over the head with all its nuggets of wisdom or whatever you wanna call them.
DeathbyVolcano
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akachan ningen said:
The false conclusions of the characterizations, the film's themes, all that stuff.
And I'm not saying the film requires intense analytical judgement, I'm just saying you can't brain fart your way through it like a Transformers or a GI Joe.
Saw it again last night. Still my favorite movie of the year. The expectations/reality scene hit me even harder this time, maybe because I knew it was coming.
Re: the party (since there was some discussion about it a while back)
Re: the party (since there was some discussion about it a while back)
The party is NOT an engagement party. Summer is proposed to in between the wedding and the party. She even says as much in her last scene with Tom.
So it's not as if she was engaged, decided to throw a party for it, and then invited Tom, as some people were thinking.
So it's not as if she was engaged, decided to throw a party for it, and then invited Tom, as some people were thinking.
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BrandNew said:
Well there's your problem. You just assume anyone who doesn't like it isn't thinking enough. Maybe you're the one who's missing something. Or maybe people just have different tastes.
No one else found this as funny as I did at all?
<Joke Spoiler I suppose>
Seriously, I was dying.
Anyways, I'm a total Tom and I totally love the movie for it. I thought it was amazing, and while humorous, it totally hit a lot of nerves.
I totally cheered like a fuck for that kiss in the copy room though.
<Joke Spoiler I suppose>
Seriously, I was dying.
Anyways, I'm a total Tom and I totally love the movie for it. I thought it was amazing, and while humorous, it totally hit a lot of nerves.
I totally cheered like a fuck for that kiss in the copy room though.
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Yea, I died laughing at this bit in the theaters. Totally surreal.Timo said:No one else found this as funny as I did at all?
<Joke Spoiler I suppose>
Seriously, I was dying.
Anyways, I'm a total Tom and I totally love the movie for it. I thought it was amazing, and while humorous, it totally hit a lot of nerves.
Panda Bear
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I can't remember well, butBlader5489 said:
wasn't she showing the ring to people at the party? Then Tom saw her doing this and left.
Edit: Never mind I misunderstood what you meant. You're right.
Panda Bear said:
Yeah, but my point was
that it wasn't a party to celebrate an engagement, as some people were thinking earlier. It was just a regular party, and at some point in-between the wedding and the party, her boyfriend proposed to her. So naturally she's going to show off the ring to her friends or whatever, but it's not like she deliberately threw, and invited Tom to, an engagement party.
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Blader5489 said:
no, but she definitely led Tom on during the wedding. She knew how he felt about her. If she was in a serious relationship, why not say something? She also could have introduced him to her boyfriend at the party instead of having him find out by 'accident.'
he was definitely infatuated with her, and in many ways, his broken heart is his fault.. but she was not innocent here.
he was definitely infatuated with her, and in many ways, his broken heart is his fault.. but she was not innocent here.
So the prospect of this film being nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars has me slightly giddy. (It's basically a shoo-in, being one of a handful of second-tier films, behind the top-tier that is Avatar, Inglourious Basterds, The Hurt Locker and Up In The Air.)
Opening the nominations up to 10 came one year late (poor The Dark Knight), but better late than never.
Opening the nominations up to 10 came one year late (poor The Dark Knight), but better late than never.
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I loved the movie and it's in my top 3 of the year, but I definitely don't think it's a shoo-in for a Best Picture nomination. There are plenty of other movies that will get the nod before this one besides the 4 you mentioned. I think these 4 will also definitely get the nod: Up, An Education, Precious, A Serious Man.
500 Days will be on the bubble, with movies like Invictus and Distrct 9 and ultimately won't get nominated.
500 Days will be on the bubble, with movies like Invictus and Distrct 9 and ultimately won't get nominated.
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gdt5016 said:
I wouldn't put it past them. They have nominated some real crap in the past ten years. and overlooked some awesome stuff.
PantherLotus
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This is a good film, but will not be nominated for a best picture, unless they have like 10 candidates now. Oh..
Btw, District 9 could be a dark horse, here.
Btw, District 9 could be a dark horse, here.
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I think it'll be like this:
1. Up In The Air
2. The Hurt Locker
3. Avatar
4. Inglourious Basterds
5. Precious
6. A Serious Man
7. The Messenger
8. Crazy Heart
9. Up
10. (500) Days of Summer
11. An Education
12. District 9
13. Invictus
14. Julie & Julia
15. The Hangover
16. A Single Man
17. Star Trek
18. It's Complicated
19. Nine
20. Where the Wild Things Are
1. Up In The Air
2. The Hurt Locker
3. Avatar
4. Inglourious Basterds
5. Precious
6. A Serious Man
7. The Messenger
8. Crazy Heart
9. Up
10. (500) Days of Summer
11. An Education
12. District 9
13. Invictus
14. Julie & Julia
15. The Hangover
16. A Single Man
17. Star Trek
18. It's Complicated
19. Nine
20. Where the Wild Things Are
Foliorum Viridum said:
She was honest all the way through the breakup, and his hurt feelings were efinitely his own doing
But, things change at the wedding, where they dance and share an intimate moment. She knows how he feels about her, and she invites him to her party without ever telling him it is an engagement party. She totally fucked him up on that, and it was a horrible thing for her to do. She needed to tell him beforehand.
Still a wonderful movie. It's not as good as Eternal Sunshine, though I'm open to that being a GenerationX versus Generation whatever it is now.
Yeah, people keep on getting this mixed up. With that being said, I still found it messed up how over the course of a weekend and an entire party, she never told him that she met someone? Like, really? Didn't even introduce him? Really? And kudos to him for leaving that party when he did by the way. A lot of lesser men would have made a mess of things at that moment.jasonng said:
PantherLotus
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The audience is supposed to dislike Summer after her apparent betrayal. That's the whole point of the reveal--to show that he was looking over obvious red flags. That said, no, she was NOT completely honest.
She said, "I'm not interested in anything long term" or "anything serious." Her actions defied that, like so many of our former girlfriends. In truth, she meant, "I'm not interested in anything long term" or "anything serious WITH YOU." I know I've made this exact same post at least twice in this or other threads, but that cannot be overlooked.
She wasn't honest, but she was believably life-like, unlike the numerous romcoms where the female protagonist gets mad over nothing, there's a climax, and then everything is ok. That's why the ending was a cop-out to me. The lesson that we're supposed to take, that romance is a messy situation where people get hurt because of a lack of honesty and self delusion, is undermined and or subverted by the just-when-you-need-her Autumn. Maybe I'm taking the wrong view of things, but the ending just seemed a little too cute for its own good.
She said, "I'm not interested in anything long term" or "anything serious." Her actions defied that, like so many of our former girlfriends. In truth, she meant, "I'm not interested in anything long term" or "anything serious WITH YOU." I know I've made this exact same post at least twice in this or other threads, but that cannot be overlooked.
She wasn't honest, but she was believably life-like, unlike the numerous romcoms where the female protagonist gets mad over nothing, there's a climax, and then everything is ok. That's why the ending was a cop-out to me. The lesson that we're supposed to take, that romance is a messy situation where people get hurt because of a lack of honesty and self delusion, is undermined and or subverted by the just-when-you-need-her Autumn. Maybe I'm taking the wrong view of things, but the ending just seemed a little too cute for its own good.
DeathbyVolcano
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That's not the lesson the film is trying to portray, though.
PantherLotus
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BrandNew said:
Oh?
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