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ciaossu said:
:lol What was her name again? :lol Hahaha

On topic, what I've seen of the Avatar, it has always looked incredibly cheesy. I don't really enjoy cartoons that take themselves too seriously anymore.

If you're saying that Avatar takes itself too seriously, then I guess you haven't seen a single episode. I wish it had taken itself more seriously, instead of trying to please all the nick kids.
 
ciaossu said:
:lol What was her name again? :lol Hahaha

Mayonegg. I mean Bland. I mean Ann. I mean Mae Whitman.


Mr Jared said:
Avatar is easily one of the best cartoons of all time. Easily.

It also features one of the most spectacular nose dives I've ever seen from a series, be it comic book, television, movie, whatever. Book 1 makes for a fantastic setup and practically every episode of Book 2 is masterful.

But holy shit. Book 3 is a beautiful example of what happens when you listen to your idiot fans. The entire damn thing is nothing but fan service for the gaggle of 13 year old girls who just want to see x character make out with y.

You haven’t seen the fandom, have you? If Season 3 was driven by the fans, it would be nothing but Zuko and Katara makeout sessions. The fandom is fucking scary/insane. Like I said in my earlier post, the main storyline and relationships were set in stone by the creators from the very beginning, and built up in a very logical way. There’s nothing too surprising about the characters and their actions they take once you understand that. It’s the execution that makes the series so watchable. The only fan service they provided was Ember Island Players, and that was the funniest recap episode in the history of the world. Which happens to be +1 to Season 3. Admit it.


Mr Jared said:
Practically everything they built with the first two seasons goes completely out the window. What they did to Toph is absolutely pathetic.
What did they do? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. They take practically an entire season to build her up, only to shove her to the background where she's lucky to even have a line every 3 episodes.
I’m not exactly sure what you want with Toph’s storyline. She had already proved that she is undoubtedly the greatest earthbender in the world. In Season 3, she plays a huge and essential role in both invasions (with some killer fight scenes), provides excellent chemistry to the Gaang by training Aang in her own blunt way, calls Katara out on her bullshit when she’s being a bitch, trades insult for insult with Sokka while secretly crushing on him, and treats Zuko like a human being when everyone shuns him. The only thing that could have been resolved a bit better was the bit with her parents, but that’s pretty trivial in the grand scheme of things.


Mr Jared said:
Meanwhile, we get shit episodes written by fanfic writers where characters break character to cry about their feelings. I wish I was even joking.

I will admit, the Beach is one of two episodes where I don’t think I can rewatch, the other being the Great Divide. But nothing else is remotely emo or borders on being cringeworthy.


Mr Jared said:
That and Katara turns into a huge Mary Sue, well beyond the logic of the world they built. I take issue with that.
The Mary Sue thing is such a lame argument. Mary Sues are perfect in every way. Katara has proven to be a klepto (Waterbending Scroll) and a bitch that’s not afraid to hit below the belt (insulting Toph’s blindness in the Chase and accusing Sokka of not loving their mom in the Southern Raiders). Mary Sues also do not turn to the dark side by doing you know what to you know who in (the Southern Raiders again) or threaten to MURDER a main character (Western Air Temple). Just because most of the time she’s the responsible and mature one in the group doesn’t mean she’s a Mary Sue. If you’re referring to her development as a waterbender, there are plenty of other characters that are equally gifted in each of the elements. It’s not a stretch if you accept those as well.

Mr Jared said:
Haha.. okay, I ranted. If anyone is going to watch Avatar, just pretend it ends with season 2, because the third season is simply the worst.
You must not watch a lot of shows if you think that.
 
I've avoided the fan stuff. Still, I am surprised at how popular this show was without my knowing about it. It went totally under the radar for me.

My local library has all the DVDs so I've been borrowing them. I've now seen every episode close to the end of Season 2. Going to watch the last four of Season 2 tonight then on to Season 3!
 
ckohler said:
I've avoided the fan stuff. Still, I am surprised at how popular this show was without my knowing about it. It went totally under the radar for me.

My local library has all the DVDs so I've been borrowing them. I've now seen every episode close to the end of Season 2. Going to watch the last four of Season 2 tonight then on to Season 3!
the finale is so great, be excited for it
 
ckohler said:
I've avoided the fan stuff. Still, I am surprised at how popular this show was without my knowing about it. It went totally under the radar for me.

My local library has all the DVDs so I've been borrowing them. I've now seen every episode close to the end of Season 2. Going to watch the last four of Season 2 tonight then on to Season 3!

Lake Laogai to Crossroads of Destiny, damn. Everything that makes the show great is right there.
 
So....... awesome it finally brings dignity to the shows that use anime influence. I like part of the fandom of avatar but i dont like the shipping fans.
 
BorkBork said:
Lake Laogai to Crossroads of Destiny, damn. Everything that makes the show great is right there.

I agree. That's back when they used Tai Li as a way to end a fight without killing anyone in a bloody mess. Some stuff at the end of that season didn't make sense to me. Like, how could the 3 girls capture like 7 Kyoshi warriors when they were so far away? They should have killed of the Kyoshi warriors. That would have been so much better. Why capture when you could kill? doesn't make sense.
 
vas_a_morir said:
I agree. That's back when they used Tai Li as a way to end a fight without killing anyone in a bloody mess. Some stuff at the end of that season didn't make sense to me. Like, how could the 3 girls capture like 7 Kyoshi warriors when they were so far away? They should have killed of the Kyoshi warriors. That would have been so much better. Why capture when you could kill? doesn't make sense.

It IS still a kid show, in the end. Killing them wouldn't do anything more than imprisonment would. And a ninja, a chi blocker and a firebending prodigy with a mobile tank can afford to take some prisoners. Besides, it proved to be extremely useful for Azula to have a certain Kyoshi warrior prisoner in Season 3.
 
So, is there any word on where they'll take the Avatar universe next (minus the movie, of course)?

I heard talk back when the finale aired that there might be a new series set in the same universe. Have we heard any credence to this, and if so, have we heard anything details?
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
So, is there any word on where they'll take the Avatar universe next (minus the movie, of course)?

I heard talk back when the finale aired that there might be a new series set in the same universe. Have we heard any credence to this, and if so, have we heard anything details?

There have been rumors of some spin off TV specials (one focusing on Iroh), and a new series focusing on a new group of characters. But Mike & Bryan have said that nothing is happening right now behind the scenes.
 
Okay, I just finished watching the rest of the series, including the handfull of episodes I'd missed in seasons one and two. Everything I said in the first post holds true and so much more.

I do agree with some folks here that the third season did have some false starts but eventually I found it truly inspired. In particular, "The Puppetmaster" was an impressive teaser for what was to be the jaw dropping, "The Southern Raiders". That episode floored me. I never expected to see the show get that dark and the characters show that much malice. Bravo to the creators for going as far as they did.

I also was surprised at how clever "The Ember Island Performers" was. It reminded me of that episode from ReBoot where they recapped the entire series except I thnk this version was a lot funnier. I loved the "Did Jet die?" part. :lol

Of course, the series finale was pure epic. This is rare for me to say but I actually plan on watching this series again sometime.
 
I've just finished going through the third season collection and listening to some of the commentaries as well. While not quite as consistent as the second season (really, what is?), it's still very strong, with much higher quality animation and deeper character development than the first season (as it should). My favorites:

*SPOILERS BELOW*



Sokka’s Master:
Finally, an episode that deals with Sokka’s usefulness to the gang beyond being Mr. Meat and Sarcasm guy. Features an amazing swordfight with killer choreography and cleverly hints at further White Lotus development with Piandao. Iroh’s transformation into He-Man rocks. Oh yeah, having T-1000 voice the sword-master automatically makes the episode 50% more awesome. Fact.

The Avatar and the Firelord:
It’s fascinating to see the parallelisms between the past and the present: Sozin/Roku versus Zuko/Aang. From friends into enemies, the story between Roku and Sozin illustrates that no one is born good or evil. It was the choices they made in their lives that determined their destinies. When Roku was revealed to also be Zuko’s great-grandfather, it brings Zuko’s inner conflict between his two halves into a whole new light. Greg Baldwin’s first speech replacing the late Mako as Iroh makes the episode IMO.

The Puppetmaster:
Exploring the decimation of the Southern Water Tribe by the Fire Nation wasn’t something I was expecting in Book 3 but it was very welcome.
Bloodbending. Wow, I’m not sure how they got the concept by the censors at Nick, but I’m eternally grateful they did. The end with Hama congratulating Katara as she was being dragged away was great. All around solid episode.

The Day of Black Sun - The Eclipse:
I found the second part of the two-parters in Season Three to be the stronger ones. Azula continues to be one of the best female villains in any series without lifting a finger. She obviously gets her scheming and manipulating skills from her father. Toph gets in some of the sweetest metal-bending action outside of the series finale, but the show stealer had to be Zuko’s confrontation with Ozai. The only thing that I would have wanted more from the episode was some sort of permanent loss (like Hakoda dying) as a result of the invasion fleet’s defeat, but that might have been too much for the intended audience. Oh and not seeing Iroh tear metal bars apart with his bare hands in his prison break. Minor quibbles to an excellent episode.

The Western Air Temple:
The producers commented that this was probably the most dialog-heavy episode of the season, but it works extremely well from a character development perspective. The order in which the gang accepts Zuko is done brilliantly. Toph, not having the experience of being hunted and chased by evil Zuko of Season One, is the character that first reaches out to him. Sokka, being the pragmatic one, understands the need for Aang to learn firebending, and grudgingly accepts him into the group. Aang, who’s all about forgiveness, realizes that Zuko understands the dangers of firebending and accepts him openly. But Katara, oooh boy. She was the idealist that trusted him first and got stabbed in the back. She watched Zuko become a direct accessory to the murder of the world’s last hope for peace and her best friend. She does not forgive, nor forget. The death threat scene is so in character, and soooo fucking good it’s not even funny. My second favorite episode in the season outside the finale.

The Boiling Rock, Part II:
This second part of the two-parter sets up a lot of things that will be seen in the final few episodes. Suki is portrayed as a kick-ass complement to Sokka. (That’s some girl..:lol) and Mai and Zuko gets a brief and bittersweet reunion. Most important in the episode is a glimpse of the first real crack in Azula’s character, where she is caught completely off-guard by Mai and Ty-Lee’s betrayal. That played a crucial role in the unraveling of her perfect persona in subsequent episodes. Solid action and storytelling all around.

The Southern Raiders:

Arguably the darkest and most controversial episode of the season, the Southern Raiders was also my favorite outside the finale. From a character analysis standpoint, this is Katara’s worst hour. Her thirst for revenge overshadows everything and everyone, leading her to lash out at others in completely unjustifiable ways, from accusing Sokka of not loving their dead mom, to dismissing Aang for not understanding what she went through when he lost his whole freaking race to genocide, to BLOODBENDING the Captain of the Southern Raiders. Zuko doesn’t help matters as he completely rejects Aang’s very wise advice of forgiveness just to get on Katara’s good side. (Dude, did you forget he JUST forgave you for all the shit you did?!) Zuko’s an awesome character, but he’s really an idiot a lot of the time. :lol

I was completely caught off-guard by the portrayal of the main villain as a pathetic man living with his mother. I loved it. “Take my mother, that’s fair!” So pathetic.

What’s interesting is that the producers made it clear in the commentary that this was very much an Aang/Katara episode even if Aang had very little air time. At the moment of truth, it was Aang that was the angel on her shoulder, staying her hand. For once, it was Aang helping Katara through a rough patch, by letting her go on this journey to realize that revenge will not bring her mother back and she will never live with herself if she went through with killing Yon Ra. It really cements the complexity and the depth of their relationship.

Ember Island Players
The final breath before the plunge, and the funny before the dramatic. By far the funniest episode in the entire series, it leaves no stone unturned in terms of poking fun at everyone, from the characters (Woman Aang, Man-Toph, Meat Guy Sokka, Tearbending Katara, Uncle advocating how fun treachery is, and Zuko screaming “HONOR” as he’s engulfed in flames), the writers themselves (being unclear about Jet, the crappiness that was “the Great Divide”) and even the creepy shipper community (Katara and Zuko making out in the Ba Sing Se caverns). Take note TV writers, THIS is a clip show done right. HILARIOUS.

Sozin’s Comet – the Finale
There really is only one word to describe the two hour series ender: EPIC. I honestly can’t remember the last TV series that went out with such a bang. I won’t go too much into detail into this, since this post is already way too long, but there are many really brilliant scenes that made the finale my favorite episodes in the entire series

The freaking Intro: The “Previously on Avatar” background music and the montage of the threads that were to be wrapped up was absolutely fantastic. Unfortunately it wasn’t part of the DVD collection since the finale was broken up into 4 episodes. Boo.

Zuko and Iroh’s reunion scene: Zuko with such a sincere and tearful apology and Uncle just grabbing him in a bear hug. One of the most powerful and emotional scenes in the series.

Transformer Toph: Shave and a Haircut BEATDOWN. Nothing more needs to be said for Toph’s best metalbending scene.

Sokka’s Very Special Birthday:
I just about busted a gut when the two dudes were chatting about working up in communications and down in engineering. Just like Avatar to pop in an absolutely hilarious scene in the middle of a tense sequence.

Azula’s breakdown scene:
It’s finally caught up to Azula, after being perfect for so long. She finally cracks completely and the scene with her hair-cutting (which she wouldn’t tolerate “even one hair out of place” at the beginning of Season 2) and the vision of Ursa was chilling and tragic. Great stuff.

Old People Camp vs. Ba Sing Se:
It’s good to see all the White Lotus Masters kick some butt, if only for a short period of time. Bumi’s a riot, as usual.

Last Agni Kai:
The fire duel of the siblings was haunting, especially with the brilliant piece of music running through the scene and the contrast in flame colours. Go go Zuko breakdance firebending!

Katara versus Joker Azula: It made so much sense for Katara not to fight Crazy head-on, but with smarts and through non-violence. Chained up Azula was a pretty tragic looking figure.

Spiritbending and Avatar Aang:
People complain about the lion turtle deux-ex machina, but the other two season finales also involved them (Ocean Spirit and a controllable Avatar State anyone?). :lol In the end, I really really appreciate the fact that Aang becomes a fully-realized Avatar by staying true to himself (and by doing so, is able to perform spirit-bending and not be corrupted by Ozai) and solving the conflict HIS way.

Tea Shop at Ba Sing Se: Such a peaceful and fun scene for everyone. There was this part where Aang looks back at everyone with such a sense of peace and happiness, so good.

The End: It’s interesting to note that the hug scene between Aang and Katara is extremely similar to the Season One finale scene, just like how the Aang and Katara Season Two finale scene mirrors their first meeting in the Iceberg. Those producers are sneaky brilliant! And the kiss, what can I say? No words, pure love. The music during this scene is my favorite piece in the show. Perfect ending to go off on.

So those are my picks and thoughts on Season Three. 12 fantastic episodes out of 21 isn’t a shabby ratio (much better than most shows), and there are some that are good but not great, and only one that’s an outright stinker (the Beach urgh). Anyways, the show ended out on top, and that’s not something that can be said too often.
 
BorkBork said:

Very nice write up. Pretty much agree with most of your points. What saddens me is that while reading through it I remembered so many things that I loved about Book 3, and the rest of the show, that I became really depressed about there not being another series on the way. :(
 
When I was working at Nickelodeon I forced myself into the recording booth for some season two episode. The producers were there, all the voice actors (except "Aang" -- he lives in NY) were sitting on stools, scripts in hand. I stood there awkwardly for a minute, listened to the actors warm up, then took my leave. It was a fun, selfish experience.
 
Hmmm. I wonder if my local library has these DVDs. I'll give it a try.

Wish I could afford them. : (

Edit: I hate you GAF.

I'm watching them through Nick's website. The first episode got me hooked.

Hooked, damn it! I don't have the time for this!
 
Oddly enough, I saw an AMV featuring this show and it made me want to watch it. I had always figured it was more of a kids show with no actual story arching and/or character development. And until I looked at the Wikipedia, I always assumed it was a foreign made show. Will have to Netflix this when I get the chance.
 
Snaku said:
Very nice write up. Pretty much agree with most of your points. What saddens me is that while reading through it I remembered so many things that I loved about Book 3, and the rest of the show, that I became really depressed about there not being another series on the way. :(

I would rather Mike and Bryan make a couple of TV movies to fill in the Ursa and Iroh/Spirit World side stories rather than doing the M. Night live action trilogy. But yeah it does kinda suck we won't get anything for a long while.
 
Episode 6 right now.

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They use actual martial arts, which is impressive. I recognize the Shaolin and Bagua styles. Color me impressed.
 
BorkBork said:
I would rather Mike and Bryan make a couple of TV movies to fill in the Ursa and Iroh/Spirit World side stories rather than doing the M. Night live action trilogy. But yeah it does kinda suck we won't get anything for a long while.

Those live action movies are sure to suck.
 
Season 1.

DAMN YOU GAF DAMN YOU

Edit: The characters are great. Prince Zukko and Aang are great surprises. Surprisingly complex, for a child's show.
 
FlightOfHeaven said:
Season 1.

DAMN YOU GAF DAMN YOU

Edit: The characters are great. Prince Zukko and Aang are great surprises. Surprisingly complex, for a child's show.

Zuko's character doesn't really take off until Season 2. You're in for a treat. :D
 
I just finished watching all 3 seasons because I kept seeing this show talked about on here and I have to say I enjoyed it a lot. While the element bending and fighting was great, it was the character progression that really made it. Good stuff, thanks gaf.
 
Season two was pretty much incredible in every way imaginable. It's a shame Nickelodeon can't get off Spongebob's dick and pretty much ruined Avatar.
 
Hero said:
Season two was pretty much incredible in every way imaginable. It's a shame Nickelodeon can't get off Spongebob's dick and pretty much ruined Avatar.

Kids are dickriders when it comes to spongebob.
 
The interplay between Sokka and Toph were always hilarious. Everytime he made a blind joke accidently :lol... ah man. Sokka in general, was just awesome.

Gonna miss this show, but it was an awesome ride.
 
Sokka is a comic-relief character done right. When he wanted to act funny and goofy, he did so. However, he was never silly because he was dumb or juvenile. He did so because he enjoyed behaving that way. When things got serious, he did too. Thus, you still respect him.
 
Ferrio said:
And the best character doesn't get introduced until season 2. Also the reason I initially took interest in the series.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119995

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So awesome.
 
Trying to get through Season 2.

Not because of the quality. The quality compels me to watch more. But...

JESUS CHRIST, Nick. It's like they wanted to make the shittiest interface they possibly could. Moreover, they are missing episodes at random, and several are mislabeled or lead to Spanish dubs through Hulu. I have to go to third party websites to watch the "missing" episodes, and the sound is sometimes de-synced. : /

Edit: No, seriously, Nickoledeon sucks. If it weren't for Wiki, I wouldn't know about half of the episodes!
 
The character progression, in terms of personal changes and power accumulation, is magnificent. Holy shit.

I'm starting Season 3, I'm going to start episode 4 tomorrow. This is fuckin' awesome!

Something that struck me recently, going back to the power accumulation, was the progression of the "side" characters. Usually they are outclassed by the protagonist, but this time, they are kept relevant. Just look at Katara from Season 1 and Season 3. Gdamn!

Even when introducing a new character to the team, the story doesn't fail. Toph is a badass with a balancing act to play herself. If left on the ground, she's as powerful as Aang. Anywhere else, though...

Again, though, it's as if Nick went out of their way to make catching this show a hassle. : /
 
Economan said:
Zuko Alone was the best episode and the Final Ang Kai was the best scene in the series.

Zuko alone is fantastic. You know, I liked Crossroads of Destiny. It was the first non 1st-season episode I ever saw, and it totally got me hooked. They really did drop the ball with the third season, but, not terrible, just not what it was in the 2nd season.
 
Watched all 3 seasons a month ago. I was thinking of writing some big wall of text consisting of awesome words that explain how awesome the show is but in the middle of it I realised there are no words awesome enough to explain the awesomness that is Avatar: The Last Airbender.
 
While I LOVE this show, I am a bit sad that there are no more airbenders. I was hoping for an episode where Aang finds some airbenders but they are not monks and live in hiding and are nomads.

I thought the series would end with Aang's death and set in the future where the new avatar is being trained by an older Katara, Zuko, Toph and Sokka, glad I was wrong, it would be too heart breaking.
 
neojubei said:
While I LOVE this show, I am a bit sad that there are no more airbenders. I was hoping for an episode where Aang finds some airbenders but they are not monks and live in hiding and are nomads.

I thought the series would end with Aang's death and set in the future where the new avatar is being trained by an older Katara, Zuko, Toph and Sokka, glad I was wrong, it would be too heart breaking.

at least
Jett
and his buddies are dead.
 
Well there are only dutch dubs on tv here so I'm never gonna watch it, but the style of animation is cool.
 
FlightOfHeaven said:
Just finish Puppetmaster. I had speculated this was possible, but I thought it'd be too dark for the series.

They actually did it. Wow.

Probably the most haunting episodes of the series. Loved it. :D
 
neojubei said:
While I LOVE this show, I am a bit sad that there are no more airbenders. I was hoping for an episode where Aang finds some airbenders but they are not monks and live in hiding and are nomads.

I thought the series would end with Aang's death and set in the future where the new avatar is being trained by an older Katara, Zuko, Toph and Sokka, glad I was wrong, it would be too heart breaking.

It ain't call the Last Airbender for nothing. Being truly the only one left makes Aang's predicament so much more tragic really.

Just finish Puppetmaster. I had speculated this was possible, but I thought it'd be too dark for the series.

They actually did it. Wow.

It gets darker later on.
 
BorkBork said:
It ain't call the Last Airbender for nothing. Being truly the only one left makes Aang's predicament so much more tragic really.



It gets darker later on.


Yea I know but where would the next avatar learn airbending? In order to have balance there has to be airbenders in that world.

Its pretty tragic that the firebenders actually massacred all of the airbenders except for Aang and were about to do the same with the earthbenders. Zuko's new position is going to be such a hard job.
 
neojubei said:
Yea I know but where would the next avatar learn airbending? In order to have balance there has to be airbenders in that world.

Aang & Katara's children? And since Aang can now spiritbend, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to assume he could give airbending to people.
 
Such an amazing show, I just finished the third season last week. Was a really well done ending. Plus, LION TURTLE!

Some earlier parts of season 3 were pretty hard to watch but I thought it really came together for the most part.
 
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