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AniHawk said:
If it makes you feel any better,
Sokka totally murders at least two guys by making them fall to their deaths.
No, not really :lol I think the whole concept of
spiritbending was pretty cool, and that while the entire world said 'Kill Ozai' Aang stood his ground and stuck to his beliefs and because of that he was able to utilize the most ancient forms of bending in order to take away Ozai's bending. However, I still would of preferred if he died
 
IMO, Aang not killing the firelord is the perfect ending. All the previous avatars were telling him to finish the guy off but it just shows what kind of person Aang is. He never wanted to kill Ozai, he wanted to defeat him. Those are completely different things. He was raised to believe all life is sacred. If he had indeed killed Ozai, it would've been completely against his character.

It also shows that good people are actually good and don't kill other people just because they're the enemy. (unlike the evil fire nation)

Edit: And don't forget, taking away the firelord's bending and letting him rot in a prison, after being such an important/powerful person in his nation, is such a better punishment than killing him.
 
None of the previous Avatars told Aang to
kill Ozai
.

Roku tells Aang to be decisive, Kyoshi tells him that only justice will bring peace, Kuruk told him that he has to shape his own destiny and the destiny for the world, and Yangchen tells him that he has to be willing to sacrifice his spiritual needs to protect the world. He achieved all of that when facing Ozai.
 
Well that sure is true, however
Kyoshi made it clear that she saw no difference in her actions causing about the death of Chin, and her directly killing Chin. She didn't have to tell Aang to kill him, but she basically implied that he'd have to have the resolve to bring about justice no matter what. And in the end, Aang never sacrificed his spiritual needs in order to bring about the justice that was required.

All in all,
he did things in a way which he deemed to be righteous - as any Avatar should.
 
wackojackosnose said:
Hmm, I felt that way initially but upon further re-watching if you believe
what the lion turle said about energy bending being used before (long ago?) and take it that all bending is the same (but just from a different point of view i.e. water, earth, fire and air) then the conclusion of the show and the re-vitalisation of energy bending
does kind of make sense.

I really hope that is actually the direction that Korra will head towards,
the reintegration of all the elements into a whole. This was hinted at in the Guru when he mentioned that the separation of the elements are an illusion.

If the creators are brave enough, integration and balance may even occur between bender and non-bender, to a point where perhaps there is no longer the need for an Avatar Spirit in the human world. I would love to see that.

crewh said:
None of the previous Avatars told Aang to
kill Ozai.

Roku tells Aang to be decisive, Kyoshi tells him that only justice will bring peace, Kuruk told him that he has to shape his own destiny and the destiny for the world, and Yangchen tells him that he has to be willing to sacrifice his spiritual needs to protect the world. He achieved all of that when facing Ozai.

Bingo.

link said:
Aang also has the added burden of being one in a long line of Avatars, granting him a host of spiritual helpers but also a significant sense of shoes that must be filled. And as things get closer and closer to the climax between Aang and Ozai, the question of how Aang will actually deal with Ozai becomes significant. The world seems to demand that Ozai be killed in retaliation for his and his forefathers' crimes, and rarely is there such a death sentence that so many would be in favor of. But Aang is an Airbender and he believes in the notion that life is sacred. Perhaps the Air Nomads themselves would be willing to bend the rules for the man who represents the death of their entire existence, but what is important is that Aang believes in the sanctity of life for his own reasons, as a choice of belief. If Aang had merely been the tool by which the living spirit of the planet exacted its revenge, Aang's status as the Avatar would mean very little.... Aang was born into the Avatar cycle, and while that is not an earned position, neither is it something that robs him of the right to judge what is best. This is why the energybending solution is so crucial: it is Aang's way of insisting to the entire world that he is the Avatar, and he should not sublimate his own judgement merely to live up to the requests of others, even if that other is the planet itself. Aang has the right to be the Avatar on his own terms, and those terms we see will be the most balanced of all.

On that note, the series of scenes in "The Old Masters" in which Aang talks to all four of his most recent Avatar past lives is intriguing when you realize how vague the language is that they provide. Aang presumes, from the nature of their stories to the specific values they espouse, that they are all in favor of him killing Ozai. I don't think I necessarily agree. Taking away their specific stories, what is it that they say? Roku's advice is that Aang must be decisive. Ergo, whatever Aang does with Ozai must not be a stall tactic. Kyoshi observes that only justice will bring peace. Ergo, Aang's decision must serve justice as opposed to diplomacy. Kuruk advises Aang that he must actively shape his own destiny and the destiny of the world. Ergo, Aang has to be the one to handle Ozai, instead of passing the torch to anyone else. And Yangchen proclaims that Aang must sacrifice his spiritual needs in order to protect the world. This would seem to be the advice that's most bluntly in favor of execution, until we remember that energybending requires absolute purity of spirit. When we heard this along with Aang, we presumed that Yangchen was suggesting that Aang should disregard his value of life; instead, her advice was truly suggesting that Aang must forego all his childish urges to run away or avoid his responsibilities so that his spirit would be pure enough to overpower Ozai's. So, really, Aang's decision to simply take away Ozai's bending is in line with everything his past lives told him. It is decisive. It is justice. It is active. And it took spiritual purity to do it.

Aang is a better and wiser person than any of the last three avatars.
Kuruk played with fire when he pissed off the wrong spirit and thus was doomed to walk the Spirit World to avenge his lost love. Kyoshi was a terrible avatar as she did nothing to save the Earth Kingdom from the tyranny of Chin until he was at her neck of the woods, not to mention the Dai Li fiasco. Roku made catastrophic blunders in his relationship with Sozin that led to the genocide of the airbenders; he admitted that he’s relying on Aang to redeem his own past.

Beyond just Aang, the kids of Avatar (and to a lesser extent, members of the Order of the White Lotus) are depicted as genuine forces of change in a world that's full of failure and dysfunction at the most fundamental levels. There is generally a notion that the four nations represent their own respective elements. But nothing can be further from the truth:

link said:
...Let's start with the Air Nomads. Air, as an element, is a peaceful element by nature, without offensive attacks. It is also flighty, freewheeling, and epheremal. And yet, the head monks (at least, the ones at Aang's Southern Temple, where we actually get some sense of the hierarchy) are heavily weighted down by worldly concerns and worries, being so stern and serious that you can't imagine their jumping two millimeters into the air. Water is an element defined by its fluidity and organic nature. The Water Tribe society is defined by a stubborn adherance to obsolete and ancient traditions, marred by massive amounts of sexism. Earth is a strong, direct element; solidity and unpretensiousness are its key components. Ba Sing Se, despite my description of its directness-through-deception earlier, is still a city run on complete indirectness and sneakiness. And then there's fire, an element that runs on emotion and passion; yet, it's propagated by the Fire Nation, a country that we learn in this season is stifled and repressed, bogged down by propaganda and societal control.

In every case, we see how the men in control of each nation have gone completely against the natural characteristics of their elements, and we also see how their antagonistic constructions of their societies ultimately result in failure and collapse. (The Air Nomads push away the Avatar; the Water Tribe wastes time trying to prevent crucial allies from being trained; the Earth Kingdom's own conspiracies get used against it; the Fire Nation's societal control results in a populace glad to see its tyrant overthrown.) Kids may not have honed political minds to perceive every bit of what the writers and directors throw in, but these failures do communicate a concept to kids that they can easily latch onto: the adults who are in charge suck. And on that note, consider also how we have rather perfect examples of legitimate representations of the four elements from all four of the element-benders in Team Avatar, with Aang, Katara, Toph, and Zuko. They all exhibit the true tendencies of their elements, in their best and most honest ways. It gives an added resonance to their heroism; not only are they restoring the world away from an oppressive force, but their examples will set the standards for their elements and their nations, should they succeed.
 
I find this question to be bordering on weird territory, but what element would people bend if given the ability?
I would definitely go with earth. Causing earthquakes, blowing holes into mountains, or just throwing rocks seems pretty awesome to me. Also, I've been learning Southern Praying Mantis Kung Fu, the martial art that Toph's bending is modeled after (I didn't learn it because of the show, just an odd coincidence).
 
Eartbending, not question, for two very good reasons:

1) Unless you are in a boat or you are a fish, earth is the most abundant element where humans are. Air and fire are just "forces" but earthis substance. Thus...

2) Earth can form solid objects. (And before you mention ice, earth beats ice in solidity.)
 
It's a toss up between Earth and Fire. Earth has more uses, but I just can't resist being a badass motherfucker who breathes fire and what not.
 
Going back to the talk about
not killing Ozai
, from a cinematic(for lack of a better word) perspective we all have to realize that
Aang could have destroyed Ozai if he really wanted to go for the kill; and that would make for a boring final episode.
 
I would go with either waterbending or airbending. Can't go wrong with the ability to heal or fly. Firebending and earthbending are cool and all, but have fewer applications beyond fighting. Plus the temptation to screw around with those powers are sure to lead to massive property damage, most likely to my own stuff.
 
Bending? Bending is for wussies.
Boomerang for the win.
 
Waterbending or Earthbending for me. I just love Waterbending but if I had to pick an alternative I'd pick Earthbending because fire is so boring and I don't like how non-offensive Airbending is. Although I'd say Airbending is the most dynamic and probably the most useful.
 
PBalfredo said:
I would go with either waterbending or airbending. Can't go wrong with the ability to heal or fly. Firebending and earthbending are cool and all, but have fewer applications beyond fighting. Plus the temptation to screw around with those powers are sure to lead to massive property damage, most likely to my own stuff.

Non-destructive fire bending:

* You are your own heating system.

* Easy light source.

* Cooking/Reheating food.

* The tech that the fire nation uses is powered pretty much entirely by fire.

Non- destructive earth bending:

* Makeshift living spaces or, if you're not on the road and have enough free time and concentration, a well built intricate house.

* Building things in general really.

* Powerful enough earth benders can hide inside the ground.
 
Hartt951 said:
That's true, that episode was very close to the finale though. It just felt like Aang had no problem with it through the first two seasons and then when the time came his feelings were exposed. I guess that's not unrealistic at all:lol But still I just find it odd that
in a show filled with death, destruction, and loss, that no one died in the finale, especially the one guy that was supposed to be killed since Episode 1.
Like I said before, for such a "ruthless" and oppressive army, the Fire Nation sure took a lot of fucking prisoners. They have no trouble killing an entire nation's worth of people or murdering women in cold blood, but they sure do go easy on leaders of rebellion and other targets whose death would directly benefit the Fire Nation. There aren't many deaths in the "present."
Which makes Jett's death all the more baffling to me. :P
 
Just got to the
Zuko-centric episode. I loved it. I am loving Zuko more and more, even if he is a firebender. It's pretty obvious he will go good, or so I'm guessing, but he is one of the most fleshed out characters (imo). I like him a lot. Oh, and the previous episode where they got the earthbending girl, I was laughing so hard at the Rock parody. The "boulder." :lol :lol
 
K2Valor said:
Just got to the
Zuko-centric episode. I loved it. I am loving Zuko more and more, even if he is a firebender. It's pretty obvious he will go good, or so I'm guessing, but he is one of the most fleshed out characters (imo). I like him a lot. Oh, and the previous episode where they got the earthbending girl, I was laughing so hard at the Rock parody. The "boulder." :lol :lol

I'm just a few episodes past this. Love Zuko.
 
K2Valor said:
Just got to the
Zuko-centric episode. I loved it. I am loving Zuko more and more, even if he is a firebender. It's pretty obvious he will go good, or so I'm guessing, but he is one of the most fleshed out characters (imo). I like him a lot. Oh, and the previous episode where they got the earthbending girl, I was laughing so hard at the Rock parody. The "boulder." :lol :lol
Mick Foley, aka Mankind, aka Dude Love, aka Cactus Jack, voices him.
 
Finished Book 1.

Amazing. One of the best shows I've ever watched.

I bought Book 2 this morning. I'm finishing Black Lagoon before I start, but I am so very hyped. GAF has led me to understand that Book 2 is a step up from Book 1.
 
Salazar said:
Finished Book 1.

Amazing. One of the best shows I've ever watched.

I bought Book 2 this morning. I'm finishing Black Lagoon before I start, but I am so very hyped. GAF has led me to understand that Book 2 is a step up from Book 1.


True, and IMO it only gets better.
 
Salazar said:
Finished Book 1.

Amazing. One of the best shows I've ever watched.

I bought Book 2 this morning. I'm finishing Black Lagoon before I start, but I am so very hyped. GAF has led me to understand that Book 2 is a step up from Book 1.
Definitely, Book 2 was easily my favorite one.
 
Just got to the episode where they are inside Ba Sing Se. Is Ba Sing Se supposed to be a parallel to
North Korea?
 
K2Valor said:
Just got to the episode where they are inside Ba Sing Se. Is Ba Sing Se supposed to be a parallel to
North Korea?
It can't be sincethe outter walls of Ba Sing Se is sooooooo much better than N Korea
 
rexor0717 said:
I find this question to be bordering on weird territory, but what element would people bend if given the ability?
I would definitely go with earth. Causing earthquakes, blowing holes into mountains, or just throwing rocks seems pretty awesome to me. Also, I've been learning Southern Praying Mantis Kung Fu, the martial art that Toph's bending is modeled after (I didn't learn it because of the show, just an odd coincidence).
Airbending. Flight and able to have some really powerful offensive and defensive attacks. Second choice would be earth.
 
fire. the Combustion Man's style and lightning are awesome. but if needed, I could slowly raise the area's temperature, tiring out my opponent.
 
So, I was inspired to watch this show based on my being bored, having nothing else to watch, the movie having just come out and them all being available on netflix.

I powered through the series in about 2 weeks (would have been less, but I was out of town last weekend).

Really really enjoyed it. It certainly had a bit too much teen angsty relationship stuff, but it was aimed at kids in the wheelhouse of having their first crushes so I can look past it.. and it was far less offputting than the last Harry Potter movie.

But wow, was this show and it's characters complicated for a kids show. None of them were they same people by the end of the show, but it showed us *why* they grew as people and changed. I never really felt anything was abrupt or forced.

I think it could have used a few more episodes.. especially in Season 3. Season 1 was very well paced, Season 2 was exceptional
The Appa missing storyline was AMAZING.. the episode where Momo found his paw print was really gut wrinching.. that story started out as a "they'll get him back in 2-3 episodes who really cares? and by the end of it I really wanted them to get Appa back.
...

Season 3 was really well done and I enjoyed it, but the front half of it felt like it was stalling for time while the back half felt a bit rushed. I think they could have chopped a couple of the episodes
Painted Lady and the one with the fire kids on the beach
in order to save more time for
the firebending training with Zuko.. I never felt like we saw Ang learn to firebend the way we saw him learning waterbending or earth bending especially. I also wished that the sword training for Sokka.. one episode seemed a bit quick for him to become a master

Anyway.. A+ show.. loved pretty much every bit of it and was really sad when it was over. Even with the main story finished, I really had grown attached to the characters and wanted to see their continued wacky adventures.

Toph did stall as a character in Season 3. She had some important parts, but needed resolution with her father which was the only thing really missing for her... that is where they should have gone with her in Season 3 instead of her just kind of being there.
 
I always wanted to be a firebender. I've got a bit of a temper and despite the fire nation's douchebaggery I think it'd be awesome to burn the shit out of everything
 
K2Valor said:
Just got to the episode where they are inside Ba Sing Se. Is Ba Sing Se supposed to be a parallel to
North Korea?

It was heavily modelled after
the forbidden City of Beijing.
 
Gui_PT said:
*Creepy Smile*
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I would go with airbending. I always wanted to fly.
 
Xelinis said:
Best parallel I've heard thus far: Avatar is this generation's Gargoyles.

More like Batman: The Animated Series, what with Mark Hamill and everything.

Although the BTAS series lasted into the Avatar era. But at least it had an ending.
 
ATF487 said:
I always wanted to be a firebender. I've got a bit of a temper and despite the fire nation's douchebaggery I think it'd be awesome to burn the shit out of everything

I hope you keep away from bushland in the summer D:
 
GhaleonEB said:
First one she was in, The Blind Bandit. Her fighting style at the end was just badass. :lol

Oh yeah, her style is just awesome. That episode is hilarious!

Btw, stupid question, but one I don't know the answer to

Is there a reason for them to change Iroh's actor? Is it because Mako passed away? I don't know when he died so I have no idea if it was during the show or not. During book 2, there are a few episodes where the actor from book 3 actually recorded a few dialogues.
 
Gui_PT said:
Oh yeah, her style is just awesome. That episode is hilarious!

Btw, stupid question, but one I don't know the answer to

Is there a reason for them to change Iroh's actor? Is it because Mako passed away? I don't know when he died so I have no idea if it was during the show or not. During book 2, there are a few episodes where the actor from book 3 actually recorded a few dialogues.
Mako died before Season 3, unfortunately.
 
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