BattleMonkey
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Archaix said:
I don't care, you still don't put such a broad statement out there to insinuate anyone who got some enjoyment out of a show is somehow not intelligent. That's my main problem with the statement
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I don't care, you still don't put such a broad statement out there to insinuate anyone who got some enjoyment out of a show is somehow not intelligent. That's my main problem with the statement
Frenck said:
i'm not going to take your bait and turn this into a LOST vs BSG thread. it's not. they are both very good shows with strong religious and sci fi elements.
having said that, if you were to loosen the string on your sweat pants a bit and relax we can talk about what we liked/didn't like about BSG.
the very reason i was hooked with the show was very strong spiritual things like visions and
when the show opened up and the viewer realized that this religion everyone follows in the show COULD ACTUALLY BE REAL!?
the problem is that all the visions and prophecies didn't end up meaning anything. they held such gravity for 3.5 seasons and then dropped. especially kara's last arc... so much wasted opportunity.
umop_3pisdn
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I liked the first two seasons of the TV series, and the first part of the third season, but the rest was a huge disappointment to me. Especially the ending... all this time I was sort of convinced they had the plot at least somewhat planned out, but the ending just confirmed that they were making it all up as they went along, and I wasn't very impressed by how they chose to end it.
devildog820
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umop_3pisdn said:
They were forced to end it, but yeah, I wished they had some kind of series plotline established early on.
Actually, AgentOtaku, the music in the miniseries isn't done by Bear McCreary. Bear was the composer for the series itself (with the exception of Bastille Day and Water, which you'll hit in short order). In my opinion, though, the miniseries music is fine (as are the first few episodes, which retain that sort of quasi-ambient electronic feel), but the score really takes off once you get to The Hand of God. It's like they told Bear "Oh, you want to compose the score the way you want to? Why not; let's try that..." And it was glorious.
As for the Season 4 haters, they have a point, but not enough to actually stop watching once you hit the end of Season 3. S4 has some utterly fantastic episodes, which you'd be a fool not to miss. Watch until the end.
As for the Season 4 haters, they have a point, but not enough to actually stop watching once you hit the end of Season 3. S4 has some utterly fantastic episodes, which you'd be a fool not to miss. Watch until the end.
BattleMonkey
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devildog820 said:
There was, but they kinda tried to make the series into more than what it really was. They seem to have gotten a bit pretentious with the series and tried to make it all epic and spiritual which obviously felt lazy to some. The series was pretty straight forward it's first two seasons, it had a plot, it was not complex, it had a goal, but they really mucked it up in season 3 and 4
leroy hacker
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Archaix said:
MedHead said:
Ronald Moore described the series best when he said "There is no fucking plan!"
My personal advice for potential watchers would be to sleep through the middle of season 3 and treat 4.0 as the end of the series. In fact the ending of this half-season was written so that it could be conclusive in case the series wasn't able to return after the strike and I found it much better than the real ending. Many questions are left unanswered, but the writers had no idea what any of the answers were when they introduced the questions and almost nothing they came up with in 4.5 is remotely satisfactory.
Darklord said:
Starbuck didn't come back. She died and something else finished her job for her. How the FUCK was she an angel? Explain this to me, shes whoring around the whole time, she doesn't have respect for anyone and is a self centered bitch. That doesn't make any sense. You resort to this terminology, you called her an angel. That doesn't mean she was one.
This is such a non-issue.
How wasn't it meaningful that out of all the characters on Galactica, Baltar and Caprica Six were the ones to find Hera and bring her to safety?
The whole "god did it" meme needs to stop. You're just showing that you didn't pay attention to the earlier seasons if you pretend that visions, prophecies and head people weren't part of the show since the mini series. It wasn't an element that was introduced late in the show. It was there all along.
Did you really want the writing staff to make up some horrible shit about Cylon chips in Baltar's and Roslin's head?
Thank god that they had more sense than that and weren't afraid to make religious allusions about the guiding force behind it all. You know, the god that doesn't like to be called god or the angels that aren't really angels. Angels and god are just names given to these beings by the Cylons and the Colonials. Who knows how long the cycle has been going on. Maybe hundreds of billions of years and the survivors of one of the early conflicts could have watched and occasionally intervened the entire time.
It's not like they showed some bearded old guy in the clouds pulling the strings at some point in the show. The original show had Beings of Light too, why is the concept so controversial all of a sudden? Because Baltar called them god and angels in his little speech?
You're being silly here.
How wasn't it meaningful that out of all the characters on Galactica, Baltar and Caprica Six were the ones to find Hera and bring her to safety?
The whole "god did it" meme needs to stop. You're just showing that you didn't pay attention to the earlier seasons if you pretend that visions, prophecies and head people weren't part of the show since the mini series. It wasn't an element that was introduced late in the show. It was there all along.
Did you really want the writing staff to make up some horrible shit about Cylon chips in Baltar's and Roslin's head?
Thank god that they had more sense than that and weren't afraid to make religious allusions about the guiding force behind it all. You know, the god that doesn't like to be called god or the angels that aren't really angels. Angels and god are just names given to these beings by the Cylons and the Colonials. Who knows how long the cycle has been going on. Maybe hundreds of billions of years and the survivors of one of the early conflicts could have watched and occasionally intervened the entire time.
It's not like they showed some bearded old guy in the clouds pulling the strings at some point in the show. The original show had Beings of Light too, why is the concept so controversial all of a sudden? Because Baltar called them god and angels in his little speech?
You're being silly here.
How BSG ended really shouldn't be viewed in isolation. It wasn't just a poor finale; it ended poorly because there was no way it could have ended well, and that can directly be attributed to the lack of preplanning for both story and character development. Many people pointed out that it was apparent there was just no way to resolve many of the major plotpoints in a satisfactory manner from the beginning of Season 4, and maybe even earlier.
umop_3pisdn
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BorkBork said:
Yeah. They basically set up the illusion of some greater overarching plot, and then painted themselves into a corner when they couldn't deliver. I think that's why I found the show so disappointing, as for a while I rather bought into the illusion.
jon bones said:
She, or an image of her, found Earth. How was her arc meaningless if it led to her discovery of Earth (albeit not in the way the audience and herself expected)?
That makes her the harbinger of death, she found Earth and Earth was a nuclear wasteland. It's all very meaningful and intervened and frankly not very hard to understand. Maybe you were reading too much into it.
The opera house vision too has a meaning and in the end it even had a little twist. Instead of being a metaphor for Baltar and Caprica Six stealing Hera it showed a human and a cylon saving the human/cylon hybrid and bringing her to safety before she fell victim to the conflict between their races. You could say the entire scene is a visual metaphor for the end of the cycle of violence.
Baltar and Caprica Six are the ones who are different, the ones who end up breaking the cycle of war. That's what Head Six and Head Baltar prepared them for, the conclusion of their story arc.
That makes her the harbinger of death, she found Earth and Earth was a nuclear wasteland. It's all very meaningful and intervened and frankly not very hard to understand. Maybe you were reading too much into it.
The opera house vision too has a meaning and in the end it even had a little twist. Instead of being a metaphor for Baltar and Caprica Six stealing Hera it showed a human and a cylon saving the human/cylon hybrid and bringing her to safety before she fell victim to the conflict between their races. You could say the entire scene is a visual metaphor for the end of the cycle of violence.
Baltar and Caprica Six are the ones who are different, the ones who end up breaking the cycle of war. That's what Head Six and Head Baltar prepared them for, the conclusion of their story arc.
Sorry for pulling Lost into this but all the things that some people seem to hate about Season 4 of BSG are present in extremely exaggerated for in Lost, which is a show most of them love. Why do they hate the supposed
"god did it all"
ancient Egyptian shape shifter alien semi god
Seriously, that makes no sense at all.
BorkBork said:
This, seasons 1 through 3 are amazing. They plant alot of seeds and it will hype you to no end. But they flat out could not deliver, they had built up so much. Hell they even bailed on some of the spiritual stuff they established early.
Theres nothing like some retard trying to tell me that I misinterepreted
"Kara Thrace is the harbinger of death, she will lead humanity to its end"
But its still good sci fi. Some of the best actually. Your just going to have to make due with the way they end it. The ending doesn't hold up to the way they started the season.
And wow at calling it a thinking mans show....Dude it was drama and sci fi with a dash of politics and religion. You really shouldnt be patting yourself on the back and considering yourself an intellectual for watching the show, or even enjoying it. :lol
The Storyteller
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Yes... Make. Up. Your. Own. Mind. Season 4 is the most polarising season of the show, if you were to skip it, you might be skipping your favourite season.Label said:
I love season 4, its not without its problems but the season has some of the shows tightest plotting and strongest episodes.
Frenck said:
Dude, most Lost fans are fucking crazy, dont even bother.
BSG in the first few seasons had the perfect balance between mythology and sci-fi. Then the latter part of season 3 and season 4 skewed heavily towards mythology without any reasonable conclusion that took into account what happened in the first two seasons.
And holy shit did they
And I'm saying this as someone who loved the way mythology was introduced/used in the series. I mean you had prophecies, Lords of Kobol, reference to Greek/Roman religion. Loads of cool ideas that would have been better than the
And holy shit did they
neuter the Cylons with that final 5 bullshit.
And I'm saying this as someone who loved the way mythology was introduced/used in the series. I mean you had prophecies, Lords of Kobol, reference to Greek/Roman religion. Loads of cool ideas that would have been better than the
monotheism inspired ending we got
Puncture said:
Yeah just ignore what I wrote. That'll prove your point.
The show is smarter than most of these TV drama's, maybe I exaggerated a bit when I called it a thinking man's show but Heroes, Lost and all those other shows sure try their hardest to make BSG look like one.
Neither do I consider myself an intellectual nor will I let someone call me out on it who doesn't even TRY to argue against any my points.
Again, where did they bail on anything?
Kara Thrace, or an image of her, finds Earth. Earth is a nuclear wasteland and it turns out that it was inhabited by Cylons who died fighting against a Centurion rebellion. She quite literally leads humanity to its end in more than one way. First, they find Earth with Kara's help which gives them a little look into their own future if they don't start changing their ways. Earth shows what the inevitable end of humanity will look like, a nuclear wasteland. Then Kara finds the coordinates that lead to a planet where the Colonials AND the Cylons can start over and become one, thus leading to either the creation of humanity as we know it or the end of humanity as they knew it.
It's one thing not to like the conclusion of that particular story arc but to claim that there isn't one is just false.
So quite clearly this retard is telling you that you either misinterpreted or simply MISSED large chunks of the endgame.
From the BSG Wiki:
"A Cylon Hybrid, speaking to Major Kendra Shaw moments before their deaths, warns her that Thrace is the herald of the apocalypse and the harbinger of death, that she would lead the human race to its end, and that she is not to be followed (Razor). Similarly, another Hybrid describes her as the harbinger of death, and she would lead them to salvation and destruction (Faith)".
She is the herald of the apocalypse and the harbinger of death = she leads the fleet to post apocalyptic Earth, which leads them to abandon all technology later on in order not to end up like the thirteenth tribe.
She leads the human race to its end and leads them to salvation and destruction = She leads them to a planet that supports life in all of its variety and the humans and cylons that land on the planet become one with the local people which leads to the end of the human race as it mixes with Cylon blood and creates a human/cylon hybrid population. The destruction she led the Colonials to was Earth and throught the realization that their current ways would lead them down that path of destruction again they abandoned all technology and knocked down the barriers between Cylon and Man which leads to their salvation.
She leads the human race to its end and leads them to salvation and destruction = She leads them to a planet that supports life in all of its variety and the humans and cylons that land on the planet become one with the local people which leads to the end of the human race as it mixes with Cylon blood and creates a human/cylon hybrid population. The destruction she led the Colonials to was Earth and throught the realization that their current ways would lead them down that path of destruction again they abandoned all technology and knocked down the barriers between Cylon and Man which leads to their salvation.
I'm not making this up or putting a spin on it. That's what happened in the show.
The Storyteller
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Frenck said:
I hate it when people say the prophecies went nowhere, when they CLEARLY did, just not quite as literally as they said they would.
Also, I'm cool with most of the ending.
I'm no Atheist (Agnostic, yo) so maybe thats why I'm pretty cool with God existing within the shows universe, I think the way they handled most of it was fine.
The only mythology I was disappointed with was
the Final Five stuff, but that was mostly becasue of execution. The Plan made it work slightly better aswell.
The Storyteller said:
I too had some issues with the show and some aspects could've been handled much better if the writers had planned out more of the plot ahead of time.
One example is the entire "Kara dies and god sends an image of her back in a spic and span Viper" storyline that annoyed me. The truth (well, probably) is that Sackhoff thought that Bionic Woman would be a bigger gig for her than BSG and they had to write her out like Billy. Bionic Woman flopped and Sackhoff was reincarnated in the show a few episodes after she died which killed off all the impact that had. I'm sure that she was supposed to come back eventually in a similar way to Head Six and that Sam would've taken her place with Kara as his spiritual guidance.
I'm not the biggest fan of the Final Five stuff either but I like where they went with it in the end.
I'm not the biggest fan of the Final Five stuff either but I like where they went with it in the end.
The Storyteller
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Frenck said:
That stuff about Sackhoff isnt true, she was under contract unlike the actor playing Billy. They had always intended for her to come back.
Also, I love everything they did with Kara in season 4, but I'm a Starbuck/Sackhoff lover.
Hawk xSx said:
Every BSG thread ever turns into this.
Hawk xSx said:
It stopped being about the mini series when some morons told the OP to skip the final season. Opinions are opinions, if they don't like it, fine but don't tell this dude who is asking for honest advice that he should skip the last season of the show. It's not Terminator 3 or Terminator Salvation and it's not the final two Alien movies. It's the legitimate conclusion of the series and it deserves to be seen.
AgentOtaku
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adg1034 said:
Cool!
The Storyteller said:
It disappointed alot of people. Lots. I hated the way they ended the show and I was a huge fan. I like it for what it is though. The best sci-fi show out atm. But they didn't deliver in the same fashion they started. The early seasons were some of the best television ever. Last season and a half fell off of a cliff.
Its good, when it had a chance to be great.
Awesome, I'm going through BSG for the first time myself as well. Currently on Season 4. I was planning to make a LTTP thread once I finished, but this will do.
I started out just like you. I'd heard a lot of praise but I kept thinking wtf is this battlestar shit? I thought it was just another star trek knock off and never gave it a chance. Totally judging the book by it's cover/title.
Then one day I put it on my netflix queue out of morbid curiosity and I haven't been able to put it down yet. Absolutely brilliant show. It's on my top 3 favs of all time.
And screw the haters. I'm 4 episodes into season 4 and I've never been more hooked on the show than I am now. It is some damn good television.
I started out just like you. I'd heard a lot of praise but I kept thinking wtf is this battlestar shit? I thought it was just another star trek knock off and never gave it a chance. Totally judging the book by it's cover/title.
Then one day I put it on my netflix queue out of morbid curiosity and I haven't been able to put it down yet. Absolutely brilliant show. It's on my top 3 favs of all time.
And screw the haters. I'm 4 episodes into season 4 and I've never been more hooked on the show than I am now. It is some damn good television.
The Storyteller said:
yea man i loved seeing kara floating doing nothing around for 7 episodes in a row
The Storyteller said:
i feel like we're not even watching the same show
the problem was that the prophecies (namely the opera house) were literally EXACTLY what was going to happen to the point where there was no interesting underlying metaphor or deeper meaning behind the original prophecy
Puncture said:
well said
AgentOtaku said:
Actually, scratch that. I thought The Hand of God came earlier in the season. Flesh and Bone is where it's at. Just you wait.
And I should know- I actually asked him about it at one point (he's prolific when it comes to engaging with fans on his blog):
Me said:
And his response:
Bear said:YouÂ’re exactly right. The idea when I took over the series from Richard was always to preserve his sound as much as possible. There are many cues (especially in “33″
However, the series itself changed. The shift you hear in the middle of Season 1 isnÂ’t just music. The entire tone of the writing, acting and even the editing changes, warms up and becomes more emotional, mystical and elegant. So, I was simply taking the score down the same path that the drama was going. And I was hesitant too, afraid that the producers would think I was going too far, but that never happened.
The beautiful thing about the BG scores is that DID change from Season to Season. I hear shifts in my music every few episodes, really.
Puncture said:
The fact that some people, maybe even lots of them, were disappointed by the conclusion is one thing but there are so many people who spread bullshit about the final season. BSG isn't a show that you can watch on and off as you like. It's not Star Trek or Stargate. It has an overarching plot and in order to fully appreciate that plot the viewer must pay attention to every single episode, even the seemingly stand alone episodes.
Of course you can dislike the final season even if you picked up everything and paid attention all the time but that's not what pisses me off. It's the people who didn't pay attention and skipped episodes who spread lies about the show.
Out of the 6 people that I introduced the show to, none of them disliked the fourth season as whole and I didn't influence them in any way other than telling them to keep some key details in the back of their heads because they could be important later on.
Frenck said:
It's worse than any of those. Mainly because I ignored all of those and made the mistake of watching BSG through to the end, though.
I'll say it again, just so he has all of the opinions out there: I have been unable to watch an episode of BSG since the last season. I cannot watch the show. The first season in particular was as good as science fiction TV gets, and I cannot watch it any more because of how horribly it ended.
Some people are going to have different opinions, that's fine. He asked specifically if he should stay through to the end though. My advice? I would have enjoyed the series more if I hadn't.
Also, I watched every single episode and even defended parts of the Black Market episode at the time, when everybody was tearing it apart as stand-alone filler.
Frenck said:
damn dude you are is fucking SERIOUS about this pew pew pew hot robot babe stuff. it's a pretty good show that was on the sy fy channel.... art this ain't.
speaking of hot babes, let's all take a second to remember the woman i thought was by far the most attractive on the show:
jon bones said:
When that sequence, the image of the opera house, first showed up everyone thought Baltar and Six were going to steal Hera like some cheesy James Bond villains. That it was a warning to Roslin as the leader of her people and Athena as Hera's mother that it was going to happen and that they should watch out.
It could have been a metaphor for a lot of things really but all of them involved Baltar and Six as the bad guys. That's what they stood for in the vision. Taking the possible means to end the war out of the hands of leader of man and taking the child away from her mother. There was just no way that any metaphor it could have represented wouldn't involve the two of them as villains.
What really happened in Daybreak was that a born Human and a born Cylon, both of them inspired by a guiding force behind the curtain, led the hybrid kid, the future of their respective races to safety. Probably the only two people on Galactica who saw her as the possible future of the Human and Cylon race.
Roslin saw her as a weapon, something that was important for the Cylons, which could under no circumstances be allowed to fall into Cylon hands. That's why she stole Hera from Athena on New Caprica, because she has the well being of her people to care for. Athena saw her as her daughter, her motherly instincts took over and she wanted her child back but only Baltar and Caprica Six saw her for what she really was.
That's why that scene is important and it is a metaphor for Cylon (Six) and Man (Baltar) breaking the cycle of violence and leaving behind the leader of man, who thinks of Hera as a weapon and the protective mother, who thinks of her as her daughter that must be protected as they lead their only hope to safety. I'm sure Roslin or Athena would have saved her too, but that's not important, it's important that Caprica Six and Baltar were the ones who saved her and that they instinctivly knew what to do because the had seen the vision before.
There is a deeper meaning behind it and you can see it as a metaphor if you like.
It could have been a metaphor for a lot of things really but all of them involved Baltar and Six as the bad guys. That's what they stood for in the vision. Taking the possible means to end the war out of the hands of leader of man and taking the child away from her mother. There was just no way that any metaphor it could have represented wouldn't involve the two of them as villains.
What really happened in Daybreak was that a born Human and a born Cylon, both of them inspired by a guiding force behind the curtain, led the hybrid kid, the future of their respective races to safety. Probably the only two people on Galactica who saw her as the possible future of the Human and Cylon race.
Roslin saw her as a weapon, something that was important for the Cylons, which could under no circumstances be allowed to fall into Cylon hands. That's why she stole Hera from Athena on New Caprica, because she has the well being of her people to care for. Athena saw her as her daughter, her motherly instincts took over and she wanted her child back but only Baltar and Caprica Six saw her for what she really was.
That's why that scene is important and it is a metaphor for Cylon (Six) and Man (Baltar) breaking the cycle of violence and leaving behind the leader of man, who thinks of Hera as a weapon and the protective mother, who thinks of her as her daughter that must be protected as they lead their only hope to safety. I'm sure Roslin or Athena would have saved her too, but that's not important, it's important that Caprica Six and Baltar were the ones who saved her and that they instinctivly knew what to do because the had seen the vision before.
There is a deeper meaning behind it and you can see it as a metaphor if you like.
WALLS OF BLACK SPOILER TEXT = Metaphor for: It's too late and I'm too old to argue about shit like this on the internet
The Opera House, like everything else at the end of Daybreak was kludged. There's huge plotholes with every apsect of how they attempted to tie things up, and the Opera House reveal was plain weak.
I have no problem with a series leaving things open for viewers to find their own answers/explanations for it, but with BSG it became clear they'd put so many story arcs into motion just for the sake of creating mystery and hooking the viewer. With no idea of how these story arcs would interconnect, resolve or what their meaning was. Meaning the end left you feeling cheated.
BSG also went against it's 2 main strengths - the characterisation, and the line it balanced between freewill + fate. In the early seasons it was cleverly done so everything could be interpreted 2 ways. The end of Daybreak being so heavyhanded, with it's attempt to explain away the plotholes, rendered everything the characters had done before that irrelevant. Those well-painted flawed characters were reduced to pawns, and everything that happened was just the result of completely nonsensical divine interference. Again leaving you feeling cheated.
In seasons 3/4/4.5, characters changed completely multiple times to fit with an ever-shifting made-up-as-you-go-along story. It ruined the characterisation, and with no satisfactory explanation for the changes at the end it all fell on it's face. Starbuck being the ultimate example of a character that was just completely ruined, and can't even be made to fit or explained on even a basic level like the Opera House.
I loved BSG while I was watching it, and would still say it's one of the best sci-fi shows I've ever seen on TV, but it lost it's way and the ending hammered home the fact that I as a viewer had been cheated.
The cylons didn't have a plan, and neither did the writers.
I have no problem with a series leaving things open for viewers to find their own answers/explanations for it, but with BSG it became clear they'd put so many story arcs into motion just for the sake of creating mystery and hooking the viewer. With no idea of how these story arcs would interconnect, resolve or what their meaning was. Meaning the end left you feeling cheated.
BSG also went against it's 2 main strengths - the characterisation, and the line it balanced between freewill + fate. In the early seasons it was cleverly done so everything could be interpreted 2 ways. The end of Daybreak being so heavyhanded, with it's attempt to explain away the plotholes, rendered everything the characters had done before that irrelevant. Those well-painted flawed characters were reduced to pawns, and everything that happened was just the result of completely nonsensical divine interference. Again leaving you feeling cheated.
In seasons 3/4/4.5, characters changed completely multiple times to fit with an ever-shifting made-up-as-you-go-along story. It ruined the characterisation, and with no satisfactory explanation for the changes at the end it all fell on it's face. Starbuck being the ultimate example of a character that was just completely ruined, and can't even be made to fit or explained on even a basic level like the Opera House.
I loved BSG while I was watching it, and would still say it's one of the best sci-fi shows I've ever seen on TV, but it lost it's way and the ending hammered home the fact that I as a viewer had been cheated.
The cylons didn't have a plan, and neither did the writers.
Discotheque
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I loved the show (moreso than Lost as well). Particularly the music:
BSG - A Good Lighter
You should continue watching it if you enjoyed the Miniseries. Also 3 and 4 are uneven at times, but I think there's a huge payoff in the end. I didn't really give a shit about the mythos. Because these shows tend to jump the shark (yeah I think Lost really jumped the shark when they introduced time travel and such, I'm enjoying it but such wasted opportunity. Fucking Abrams). BUT it provides great closure for the characters.
And you really like the pa-son relationship between Bill and Lee.
BSG - A Good Lighter
You should continue watching it if you enjoyed the Miniseries. Also 3 and 4 are uneven at times, but I think there's a huge payoff in the end. I didn't really give a shit about the mythos. Because these shows tend to jump the shark (yeah I think Lost really jumped the shark when they introduced time travel and such, I'm enjoying it but such wasted opportunity. Fucking Abrams). BUT it provides great closure for the characters.
And you really like the pa-son relationship between Bill and Lee.
umop_3pisdn
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DECK'ARD said:
This is basically how I see the show, only articulated far better than I could hope to.
Discotheque said:
The 'payoff' for me was the exact opposite, the end of Daybreak is what broke my suspension of disbelief in so many ways.
Everything was so warped to fit in the Mitochondrial Eve twist, and it got it's facts wrong. Mitochondrial Eve isn't our most common recent ancestor, so there was really no need to set it 200,000 years ago and have us believe they'd give up all their technology without any of the 30,000+ people batting an eyelid.
Just episodes before the fleet were mutinying about not having the basics, then all of a sudden they are happy to ditch everything and be at one with nature and mate with the barbaric natives. Ridiculous.
Also, nothing they did would have survived and been passed down 200,000 years. So what Lee said about teaching the natives and helping them was stupid as well. Names of constellations, language etc. would have all been lost.
If they'd been determined to do this twist and link us to them they should have done it 5000 years ago, which is the date of our most recent common ancestor. That would have tied in with ancient civilisations more as well, echoing the original BSG. What they passed on would have survived in some form.
It totally jumped the shark with Mitochondrial Eve.
I didn't feel it gave closure on the characters at all either, they basically all just went off on their own to live and die in loneliness. Adama abandoning Lee didn't ring true, Starbuck was the exact opposite of closure, everyone quite happy to kiss goodbye to any chance of survival.
Just episodes before the fleet were mutinying about not having the basics, then all of a sudden they are happy to ditch everything and be at one with nature and mate with the barbaric natives. Ridiculous.
Also, nothing they did would have survived and been passed down 200,000 years. So what Lee said about teaching the natives and helping them was stupid as well. Names of constellations, language etc. would have all been lost.
If they'd been determined to do this twist and link us to them they should have done it 5000 years ago, which is the date of our most recent common ancestor. That would have tied in with ancient civilisations more as well, echoing the original BSG. What they passed on would have survived in some form.
It totally jumped the shark with Mitochondrial Eve.
I didn't feel it gave closure on the characters at all either, they basically all just went off on their own to live and die in loneliness. Adama abandoning Lee didn't ring true, Starbuck was the exact opposite of closure, everyone quite happy to kiss goodbye to any chance of survival.
Daybreak just required too much of a suspension of disbelief, which for a series which prided itself on being 'naturalistic sci-fi' at the beginning was a real shame. What was so believable and engaging at the start ended up being the opposite at the end.
As someone else said, as a whole it is good but it could have been great.
Nexus Zero
Member
I understand some of the hate for season 4, but I still loved it and for me it contained the best three-parter of any show, ever.
Exclamation-One
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There were moments where I loved Battlestar, and moments where I hated it. Virtually no in-between.
Someone needs to fanedit the 3rd and 4th seasons into one.
Someone needs to fanedit the 3rd and 4th seasons into one.
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I liked the religious mythology just fine (and I can totally understand why people dont), but what made BSG such a great show was the moral political dilemmas it raised and how the (mostly) fantstic characters dealt with them. Some shows have none of that and only have their horrible mythology to fall back on.
I can beat that. I've introduced the show to 12 people, only 1 of them disliked the final season, most of us had issues with the finale, but we all agreed that season 4 was great. Anecdotal bullshit I know but GAF seems to be more negative about the final season then anywhere else I've noticed. GAF also has a large group of crazy Lost fans, so that probably explains that.
Also, I've said it like 500 times now, but BSG should have been 4 or 5, 13 episode seasons.
Which one? There is like 3 to choose from.
Edit: make that 4.
Frenck said:
I can beat that. I've introduced the show to 12 people, only 1 of them disliked the final season, most of us had issues with the finale, but we all agreed that season 4 was great. Anecdotal bullshit I know but GAF seems to be more negative about the final season then anywhere else I've noticed. GAF also has a large group of crazy Lost fans, so that probably explains that.
Also, I've said it like 500 times now, but BSG should have been 4 or 5, 13 episode seasons.
Nexus Zero said:
Which one? There is like 3 to choose from.
Edit: make that 4.
kame-sennin
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MedHead said:
This is pretty much spot on. The show went severely downhill after the
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Only watched the miniseries and S1. Thought it was pretty bad.
Baltar was fun to watch, though, and Passacaglia is a beautiful piece of music.
Oh, and I will say this: the ending of S1 was a total HOLY SHIT! moment. It very nearly got me to continue watching the rest of the show. :lol
Baltar was fun to watch, though, and Passacaglia is a beautiful piece of music.
Oh, and I will say this: the ending of S1 was a total HOLY SHIT! moment. It very nearly got me to continue watching the rest of the show. :lol
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