sixteen-bit
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This game is so based.
Hated the space harrier and hang on levels though. Those were epic fail.
Hated the space harrier and hang on levels though. Those were epic fail.
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LTTP: Bayonetta (oh my god this game)
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worst bit is that the space harrier bit is just before the jeanne boss fight.
god damnit
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Use the whip to put them in their place.
Btw ive never asked, but are Gracious and glorious immune to witch time? It never activates when I fight them.
yeah, the white versions are immunte to WT.
I never got any good at the whip except for climbing to ridiculous heights by jumping on angel heads
You can't activate it the usual way with the dodge but you can activate WT if you counter/parry them with the Moon of whatever accessory iirc.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
You dont need to be. The whip is best for stunning enemies mid attack, so you can dodge in with your other weapon set, get a few hits in, dodge out, change to whip, stun rinse repeat till dead.
I find both grace/glory + Gracious/Glorious to recover too quickly to combo bar killgore glitch, so I just stay out their way and interrupt their relentless attacks. They feel like NG enemies more than DMC-Caliber ones.
Glad you are enjoying the game, OP. It is one of my favourite games of the last generation, and ever. It took a while to click with me, I started playing it soon after it launched, stopped shortly after the prologue and never touched it again until early 2012 when I gave the game a second chance and... Oh my gawd, this game! I also played it on the PS3, and at the time it was fine. The 360 version is undeniably better, but you can enjoy the whole experience on the PS3 just fine. Colours are more washed out, it is a little bit blurrier and there are a few frame drops here and there, but it still plays fine. It is not like it is completely broken now after the patches.
There are a few mechanics that are not even explained in the game, so you either figure them out by yourself or have a look at the wiki (Continuing my combo after a dodge? What? Is that a thing?). The combat is one thing to behold. It is amazing how deep it is and how different it can get by changing your weapons. There is a lot of variety. A lot.
I also love the enemy design and art direction overall. But the enemies are probably the highlight for me. It is also interesting how the game keeps on throwing new enemies at you and you have to learn how to battle them and this keeps things fresh. That together with the weapons you unlock along the way never makes the game feel old or stale. Also, the game has a good length, not too short, but it also doesn't stretch itself too much. Good thing if you want to replay it in other difficulty settings.
Can't wait to have more of it!
There are a few mechanics that are not even explained in the game, so you either figure them out by yourself or have a look at the wiki (Continuing my combo after a dodge? What? Is that a thing?). The combat is one thing to behold. It is amazing how deep it is and how different it can get by changing your weapons. There is a lot of variety. A lot.
I also love the enemy design and art direction overall. But the enemies are probably the highlight for me. It is also interesting how the game keeps on throwing new enemies at you and you have to learn how to battle them and this keeps things fresh. That together with the weapons you unlock along the way never makes the game feel old or stale. Also, the game has a good length, not too short, but it also doesn't stretch itself too much. Good thing if you want to replay it in other difficulty settings.
Can't wait to have more of it!
One of the best games i ever played ! I did know this was going to be a great game but i was not expecting to be blown away that much !
I literally replayed every level in order to get the best ranking !
and the boss battles oh my god..
It has also one of the best Launch trailers ever made
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCdGjf0JxY0
Cant wait for the 2nd one but Bayonetta cought me off guard and suprised me on so many levels
I literally replayed every level in order to get the best ranking !
and the boss battles oh my god..
It has also one of the best Launch trailers ever made
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCdGjf0JxY0
Cant wait for the 2nd one but Bayonetta cought me off guard and suprised me on so many levels
toastyToast
Member
Make sure to Pure Platinum and finish the Verse with it for dat Easter egg
Bayo 2 is gonna feel weird without all the Sega stuff littered in
Luigi hats for days
BumblebeeCody
Member
...and now we get hype for Bayonetta 2!
This.
It was great having new unlocks in each new game+, it made each playthrough of the game different and even more fun. Doing all the alfheim challenges also shows you just how great the combat mechanics are. (if you didn't know already)
Miles Quaritch
Member
Oh absolutely, the core game is still great on both consoles, but the differences in performance between the two are night and day...
nailbombxx
Member
I don't think "loose" is the correct word, perhaps flexible. But still, by no means is MGR more polished than Bayonetta. Bayonetta is one of the most fine tuned action games ever created. MGR was a less ambitious game in which they had a very short time to work on, and it shows. I only wish that they had more time to polish the game play, include more strings, mechanics and weapons. MGR is pretty bare-bones in comparison.PokéKong;95818267 said:
Yeah that's really neat.
To those that don't know, look to the username of the poster who posted above toastyToast for a hint.
Its pretty shocking how good of a game they came up with in such a short spam of time. Not only that but they even came up with a feel and style that feels very much its own.
nailbombxx
Member
Absolutely, I loved MGR, however to claim it is more polished than Bayonetta is pushing it. There's a reason why it was meant to be played in a specific way, because Platinum didn't have much time to make something as expansive and fluid as Bayonetta. If a sequel is made i would love them to have a much longer development period to fully develop the game mechanics.
FlashFlooder
Member
These types of games just never really click for me. Like, I can't ever seem to get any good at them. This thread makes me feel like I'm really missing out 
These types of games just never really click for me. Like, I can't ever seem to get any good at them. This thread makes me feel like I'm really missing out
I'm not particularly good with them either, but once you learn a few basic fundamentals with them they become a lot easier and enjoyable. Simple things like paying attention to visual/audio cues, and know how to cancel out of attacks which they made incredibly easy in bayonetta.
Bayonetta is probably the most accessible games in the genre and very forgiving, so it's a good place to start, while dmc games usually have a bigger learning curve and ninja gaiden being more punishing.
I had a difficult time getting into dmc3 for the longest time but watching a few videos on a few basic things and watching other people play really helped a lot, though I still suck with those games, they are still incredibly fun.
Various Artists
Banned
QFT. Loved this game.
Taco_Human
Member
Well fuck. I regret buying ace combat instead of this after reading. I could have bought it, but my gut wanted to try out ace combat... Ugh.
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Whip is really good with Bracelet of Time.
In Witch Time, enemies like G&G pairs and Fearless and Fairness can be pulled with the whip.
So a pretty common strategy with it is to flash on Witch Time, pull them air borne and begin an air combo with your B set. Allows you to sort of get some kinda air combo going on them without breaking their armor.
What alot of people don't realize is that enemies get weaker as their armor breaks/ they become low health. G&G recover quickly at max health and can auto guard through alot of hits, but after getting them down to about half health they can be launched, pulled with whip and will start being vulnerable to hit stun. Even in NSIC.
So you can combo them, you just gotta weaken them a bit before going in.
These types of games just never really click for me. Like, I can't ever seem to get any good at them. This thread makes me feel like I'm really missing out
Should give it a shot. I think Bayonetta is accessible enough for anyone to enjoy.
williamsan
Member
I almost, almost picked this up last week instead of MagnaCarta2. Regretting that right now lol
Lumination
'enry 'ollins
To be fair, Bayonetta had 4 DMCs to draw upon
These types of games just never really click for me. Like, I can't ever seem to get any good at them. This thread makes me feel like I'm really missing out
You are man, this genre is fantastic. So fun and so replayable.
Start on a lower difficulty and make your way up, you will be glad you did.
don't you like knack
i'm sure there will be a stupid do a barrel roll or some shit.
sega games are such a better match for bayo
i remember you hating on this before it came out. glad to see you've come around.
nailbombxx
Member
True, Platinum did a lot of experimental things with MGR where Bayonetta was a masterstroke that pushed an established style to new heights.To be fair, Bayonetta had 4 DMCs to draw upon
You gut dun goofed...
Supaidaman
Member
These types of games just never really click for me. Like, I can't ever seem to get any good at them. This thread makes me feel like I'm really missing out
I generally suck at them too. To this day I think I can't nail a Dodge Offset, for example.
Even so, the game is amazing. Start at a lower difficulty and progress at your pace and you will gradually get better at it and be able to tackle higher difficulty levels. I finished the game on Normal( dying a bajillion times) and then finished it on Hard after some practice.
Bayonetta is one of my favorite games from the last gen and I love almost everything about it. The only thing I hate about it is the storyline, it's freaking stupid.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
It's also my game of the generation, this game is absolutely incredible. The combat is so fluid and feels so amazing. I think I played through the game like three times within its first two weeks.
Make sure you play through the game on higher difficulties too, since you get a few rewards for doing so. It's also worth looking up how to unlock a few of the extra weapons since it's pretty easy to miss some of them. This game has a lot of extra content hidden away and you miss so much if you treat it as a one-and-done kind of game.
Make sure you play through the game on higher difficulties too, since you get a few rewards for doing so. It's also worth looking up how to unlock a few of the extra weapons since it's pretty easy to miss some of them. This game has a lot of extra content hidden away and you miss so much if you treat it as a one-and-done kind of game.
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
I think the difference between Bayonetta and MGR is that Bayonetta was their idea from the ground up. The game is designed entirely around their Witch Time and Dodge Offset ideas from the enemies to the character moveset. I don't think that has anything to do with the DMC games because they don't have any stuff like that.
MGR just wasn't their idea. Free cut and Zandatsu were preexisting ideas from the original Rising project and PG was hired to make an action game in their style around those ideas. So I think it just inherently lacks the design cohesiveness that Bayonetta has as a result. (Let's be real, Free Cutting and Zandatsu aren't the best ideas for an action game to begin with)
nailbombxx
Member
You have not truly lived until you lay down a beating on some angels with the legendary
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I'm surprised how well that they were able to pull off the Zandatsu mechanic, though. I just wish that they had more time to work on the project!
Gunchucks.
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I agree. Even though Bayonetta is very much like a reboot of DMC, it does so many innovative things to make it more than just a DMC clone or whatever.
I'm surprised how well that they were able to pull off the Zandatsu mechanic, though. I just wish that they had more time to work on the project!
Witch Time isn't exactly a new idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOHnRP74mtg
Dodge Offset, yeah, that is Bayonetta's major contribution to the genre.
DMC wouldn't benefit much from it though I think considering it doesn't really rely on long chains or combo finishers.
So awesome.
EDIT: Yeah Zandatsu is so well done, especially how it is incorporated in actual combat where you are fighting and weakening individual enemy body parts and quickly going into Blade Mode to quickly cut of that arm, leg etc., thereby altering how the enemy fights. It feels like the RE4 of its genre to me in that going for specific body parts is part of the game. And its a precise part of it, unlike NG where its random.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOHnRP74mtg
Dodge Offset, yeah, that is Bayonetta's major contribution to the genre.
DMC wouldn't benefit much from it though I think considering it doesn't really rely on long chains or combo finishers.
So awesome.
EDIT: Yeah Zandatsu is so well done, especially how it is incorporated in actual combat where you are fighting and weakening individual enemy body parts and quickly going into Blade Mode to quickly cut of that arm, leg etc., thereby altering how the enemy fights. It feels like the RE4 of its genre to me in that going for specific body parts is part of the game. And its a precise part of it, unlike NG where its random.
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Which is why I think it's weird to say "Bayonetta had 4 DMCs to draw upon"
Yeah I agree. Even I can acknowledge how well they were able to appropriate the mechanic and make it exciting with thinks like the QTE finishers setting you up for perfect cuts. and making it so that enemies had to be weakened before they were vulnerable to zandatsu.
but I just feel like it's a dead end mechanic for the kind of action game it's in. Once the novelty wears off it really isn't that interesting or much fun and I don't see where else they can take the mechanic besides new finishers and QTEs where you need to cut stuff.
Bayonetta is an excellent, excellent game but there is no denying how similar it is to DMC. Does it add its own flavor? Sure, but its roots are still clear.
That doesn't make it a bad game, its just the truth.
nailbombxx
Member
I think Bayonetta's major contribution to the genre is how stacked and well-rounded it is with content and quality design, it surpassed what I ever expected from action games, even after playing games like DMC3 and Ninja Gaiden Black.
The problem is that the free-cut/Zandatsu is your main way to dispose of the enemies. While very fun and satisfiyng, every encounter is basically weakening enemies until you can slice them. You eventually get fatigued by it. This could have been remedied if there were more weapons and ways to fight, which comes down to Platinum's short development cycle.
Neff
Member
Eh, there'll probably be a few, she is still a Sega character, all said and done. Even W101, an all-Nintendo show, had quite a few Sega references in it.
nailbombxx
Member
Bayonetta is technically better on Xbox 360, but PS3 is a better choice for a game console so idk.