It doesn't have to completely reinvent the wheel. People already like "the shonen formula" and HxH tweaks it in just the right ways to make it satisfying.
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LTTP: Hunter X Hunter (2011)
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It doesn't have to completely reinvent the wheel. People already like "the shonen formula" and HxH tweaks it in just the right ways to make it satisfying.
I thought Killua family arc/tournament tower were the worst, Ant Arc and initial Hunter Exam arc were the best by far
Friendship beats all except when the thing that beats the Chimera ants is
pretty much an atomic bomb, phrased as the depths of Human malice.
passes away from radiation sickness holding hands with a blind girl
Keru_Shiri
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What fight was one solely on "Friendship"? Friendship sure as hell wasn't going let the main 4 beat someone like Hisoka at any point in the series.
As for the spoilered part
I think Dues ex Machina gets thrown around way too much. Gon's power up didn't solve everything, hell, it didn't even deal with the principle enemy. He traded one problem for another, which led straight into your third point, which we still haven't seen the complete fallout yet.
The foes they've faced do not progress linearly in strength.
The Phantom Troupe is much stronger than Genthru and the Bombers, and Pariston is arguably the weakest antagonist yet in terms of sheer fighting strength.
As for your final point:
This is pretty much the only arc where they've received any kind of benefit from such talent. You're also ignoring the fact that they also have incredible work ethic to make use of such talent. Besides, raw talent didn't let them beat Knuckle and Shoot the first time around, it didn't help Gon master Emitter powers, etc.
Very basic? Sorry, the material is actually quite dense and I feel like, based on the examples you presented in your post it doesn't seem like you've given the material more than a cursory glance yourself. It's fine if HxH is just not your cup of tea, but this show is extremely far from "Basic".
Started watching this on Toonami as it airs even though a lot of times I just want to go find the episodes and marathon them.
I read through the series when I was catching up for the newest manga chapters because I heard it was coming back. I loved it. And I'm liking the anime so far. Doesn't really rely on shounen tropes and things you'd normally expect so that is kind of fun. Great series.
I read through the series when I was catching up for the newest manga chapters because I heard it was coming back. I loved it. And I'm liking the anime so far. Doesn't really rely on shounen tropes and things you'd normally expect so that is kind of fun. Great series.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Friendship literally beats the Phantom Troupe
Gon gains super power that's unexplained and comes from rage(I don't care anymore lol)
Alluka is conveniently around to fix Gon with really ambiguous powers
They do get stronger than any other fighting protagonist
Gon gains super power that's unexplained and comes from rage(I don't care anymore lol)
Alluka is conveniently around to fix Gon with really ambiguous powers
They do get stronger than any other fighting protagonist
like a rose bomb
It's hard to argue Hunter x Hunter doesn't follow tropes and cliches because Gon is a walking cliche.
I hate to say this but I think you greatly misunderstand huge parts of the story, characters and what not if this is how you took took those scenes and characters.
Just from your reading of that moment with Gon show's you might not even understand how Nen works.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
You don't even know how Nen works. No one does since Alluka was introduced.
You still haven't told us how friendship overcomes all so you need to stop moving goal posts.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Friendship literally beats the Phantom Troupe
Really not sure what you're referring to here.
Gon gains super power that's unexplained and comes from rage(I don't care anymore lol)
...this is one of the most well explained aspects of the show. The entire
Yorknew arc and Kurapika's chains
Nen restrictions.
Alluka is conveniently around to fix Gon with really ambiguous powers
Alluka
Dark Continent
They do get stronger than any other fighting protagonist
Do you mean compared to other shonens (because that's blatantly false), I assume you mean compared to
Leorio and Kurapika, but Kurapika is strong as fuck too.
Keru_Shiri
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Alluka is
tied to one of the calamities of the Dark Continent.
including Gon's power up, which he is still suffering a setback because of.
You're confusing cooperation with the Power of Friendship.
It doesn't need explaining if you've been paying attention to how nen works. It was also a one-time thing that didn't solve anything in the arc.
The dodgiest thing the series has introduced so far, though we've yet to get a full picture of what the character is.
I'll give you this one, though it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Gon and Killua are extremely talented, but their talent is rarely what the resolution of an arc hinges on,
unless it's a training arc like GI
It's not similar at all.
NHarmonic.
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I'm on a LTTP of this too, i started the past week and now i'm near the ending. It's really good, but i have a few issues with the pace of some arcs tbh.
Also Killua and Kurapika drive the plot a lot more than gon, it'd just be an average shonen without them.
and really, this is "shitty parenting: the anime"
Also Killua and Kurapika drive the plot a lot more than gon, it'd just be an average shonen without them.
and really, this is "shitty parenting: the anime"
It's interesting that you say the pace for the first 13 episodes feels slow because a common complaint was that it felt rushed. As in, because it was retreading ground from the '99 series, the developers went through the material much quicker than they normally would for a shounen.
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I've been watching it on Adult Swim and I hate the show. It's one of the most boring shows that I've ever watched. I don't care about what's going on or about any of the characters. The only reason I keep watching is because there's nothing on TV at 1:00am on Saturday night. I'm getting close to dropping the show. I don't want to have to go through 50 episodes of garbage on the hope of eventually getting to something good.
I recommend you at least watch the first episode of the old anime to get a proper introduction to a very important character in what is arguably the best arc of the series. It's the single biggest gripe I have with this adaptation, they absolutely fucked up by waiting over 70 episodes until introducing a character that was supposed to be there from episode 1 and give the protagonist his motivation to become a Hunter in the first place.
Part of the reason why HxH is so good is how
is so fleshed out and explained. Everything aside from
makes sense in universe, and that is only because
If you don't understand how
then you just weren't paying attention.
Nen
Alluka
we don't know much about the Dark Continent.
If you don't understand how
Gon got the power to defeat Pitou and the consequences of risking your life for power beyond your normal means
heliosRAzi
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I was in the same boat as you when I first started. It was boring at first, but then you start to see how Togashi twists some things and then by the climax of the Heaven's Arena arc, you're hooked. You'll be missing out on one of the best anime. The first part is slow, but after that, it gets good. I suggest watching it on Netflix at your own pace instead of weekly.
That said, I don't know why people are down on Heaven's Arena. It has my favorite fight in the series
Hisoka vs. Gon
We know how Nen works. It's been explained in the series and we've been given examples.
Alluka/Something is special since it is heavily implied that she is a calamity from the Dark Continent and doesn't require nen.
As for Gon's powerup, you paid attention, you'd know that restrictions on nen can make them powerful. Gon's restriction for his powerup is that he will sacrifice his nen and his potential to use nen in order to become powerful enough to kill Pitou. He was basically killing himself. He was suicidal. And yeah, he was brought back by Alluka, but as far as we know, he cannot use nen as shown in the manga.
As for Gon's powerup, you paid attention, you'd know that restrictions on nen can make them powerful. Gon's restriction for his powerup is that he will sacrifice his nen and his potential to use nen in order to become powerful enough to kill Pitou. He was basically killing himself. He was suicidal. And yeah, he was brought back by Alluka, but as far as we know, he cannot use nen as shown in the manga.
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It gets good fairly quickly since they rush through the early stuff. Episode 27 is when the worst arcs are finished.
NHarmonic.
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Honestly, i think the 2nd and 3rd arcs are this show's best. The detective/mafia tones gave it such an interesting vibe, and the focus was on one of the best written characters.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Actually, they think they know how Nen works. You're given categories and such but no actual explanation. They can channel into it but the later arcs reveal it's very much a mystery. Putting restrictions doesn't mean it has been explained.
For fucks sake, the Dark Continent Arc isn't even out yet and that will most likely shed light on what Nen actually is--since ANYTHING can use it
The Phantom Troupe in YorkNew arc are actually defeated by the idea of friendship/comraderie, you can even say the King was as well.
Anime that disregards tropes and cliches don't exist in the shonen category, you gotta look at quality ones like Monster or Serial Experiments Lain or D. Coil, etc. Saying X shonen turns cliches and tropes upside down isn't something that occurs. People said that en masse about Kill la Kill.
CoffeeJanitor
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The whole show is amazing outside of
IMO.
Have fun!
the Ant Arc
Have fun!
Jigolo
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You keep saying that but you never explain it. Just saying friendship and then nothing else isn't really helping your case. Break it down to me how "friendship" is what defeats those arcs. I will readily admit friendship is a big theme of HxH but it doesn't outright defeat enemies or win situations and in fact, many times it actively works against characters because its not some super power panacea.
I also hate to say it but I don't think you do really get Nen. Its not just an energy system, its often vitally entwined with a characters personality, their outlook on life and becomes their own personal religion of a sort. Netero is so much stronger than many characters not because he trained harder than them but because of the spiritual awakening and personal revelations he went through during his training. Without that he would not have been the monster of a Nen user like others who just developed powerful Nen techniques, in fact Netero's was incredibly basic in that it relied on one thing. His prayer and devotion to God.
hosannainexcelsis
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The 1999 Hunter X Hunter is considerably better than the 2011 Hunter X Hunter in the earlier arcs they both cover.
2011
But not as an overall package. Stick to the 2011 for more consistency.
Subpar Spatula
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Duuude,
Gon and Killua are left alone because Pakoda was won over by how great friends they are to Kurapika. This is what the entire fucking scene was about when Gon and Killua ran into those members at the auction. Call it Kurapika's restriction on Chrollo but the reason this all occurred because, literally, discovering how great friends they were saved them.
If you truly believe I meant all arcs when I didn't even mention that then you're seriously trying to make me defend something I didn't say or even insinuate.
There's a difference between explanation and understanding something and filling in the blanks. You are doing the latter. Where does Nen come from? Gone restricted himself so there's got to be some third party (either sentient or natural force) that recognized his devotion. What is that? The restrictions and Alluka show that Nen is more complicated and probably on a different level than what you expect.
Hasphat'sAnts
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I prefer the 2011 show because it has the better music, even tho 1999 certainly had the better openings/closing credits
EDIT: Hisoka was at least 40% cooler just based off of this theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=826ileB9bCc&index=11&list=PL7636F65EA6C7228C
EDIT: Hisoka was at least 40% cooler just based off of this theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=826ileB9bCc&index=11&list=PL7636F65EA6C7228C
That's it? The one mention of friendship and a character making a decision on it negates everything else going on in the arc? As I said, friendship is a big part of it but none of the major conflicts in that arc were solved with "Friendship".
hosannainexcelsis
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I don't think it's worth missing out on the unique excellence the 1999 anime provides, especially in its rich atmosphere, just so you can keep the same character designs through the Chimera Ant arc. If consistency is that important to you, watch the 1999 anime, then go back and watch the 2011 anime all through (or just read the manga).
90s is better as it doesn't skimp on violence, but 2011 covers more contents.
Best way should be watching the 90s and continue where it left off with 2011s.
You'll have to get used to changes in artstyle and animation though.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
You keep saying that but never explain it. See, I can use that line too. You act as if I've never seen the show.
I definitely think the 1999 anime is interesting and worth watching. I just wouldn't recommend watching it as your first experience these days. Going back to it after you finish the 2011 anime is neat experience.
I really don't think the 1999 is much better in the earlier arcs outside of the very first one. HA and Yorknew are good in both versions, and I still prefer the 2011 versions. Greed Island is obviously far better in the 2011 anime, and CA and the arc after that is only in the 2011 anime to begin with.
That's a very specific and quite minor example. Far from what I would consider friendship beating all.
I think of HxH '99 and HxH 2011 like Full Metal Alchemist and FMA Brotherhood. HxH like FMA focused on the earlier events but couldn't finish as strong. Its more of a character drama with some filler but is a bit more intimate, somber and darker. Whereas HxH 2011 is a bit lighter in tone overall like FMA Brotherhood and both series skimp on the starting events already covered by their earlier anime series but both finish much stronger because their respective mangas were much further along.
I actually prefer the first couple seasons of the '99 anime compared to the 2011 which obviously has much better later seasons when it embraced the darker tone of the manga and of course covered events never touched by the original version. The '99 anime especially
gives us an early introduction of Kite cut out of the later version.
I don't doubt you've seen it, but you sell it short because one decision made by one character and somehow friendship saves the day when its
Kurapkia who does most of the real leg work and tough stuff and most of it by himself actively excluding his friends from helping him.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Yeah... no...
Kurapika put the restriction on Chrollo but Chrollo knew the Spiders would kill Kurapika, Gon, Leorio, and Killua regardless because that's how they're supposed to be. However, they're bond with Chrollo is what actually shifts the entire ending. Kurapika's restriction is the catalyst for what really saves the day, their friendship. The Spiders themselves TELL YOU THIS.
Bounceounce
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The anime takes some Leorio moments out.
hosannainexcelsis
Member
I would recommend watching 1999 first, since it gives you much more reason to become invested in the characters up front and thus becomes a more compelling entry into the narrative. 2011 is more sparse on that until it starts handling Yorkshin.
UnemployedVillain
Member
Leorio is a lame substitute for Kuwabara
And I must be the only one who prefers the '99 soundtrack. Had better intros
OP2: Taiyō wa Yoru mo Kagayaku
OVA OP1: Pale Ale
And the Spider's/Mafia Theme always got me SUPER pumped
2011 anime also has a godlike soundtrack
KanameYuuki
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He is for some reason my favorite character with my favorite male voice actor, I'm not so sure since I well I watched 1999 version so long ago like on 2005 or so but I could swear Leorio had a bigger role and screen time back then : (
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