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DrForester
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Atlantis - The Queen
With 12 episodes to go, I still dislike Teyla. This was an alright episode, but once again, I think she brought it down. She's just not that good of an actress. Nice buildup though, and it seems they're starting to plan for the last half of the season.
Atlantis - Tracker
Hey look. Dr. Kaylee is kidnapped again. She's becoming Stargate's Kim Bauer. This was actually a really good episode. I enjoyed it. Maybe becasue it was all about eh shows good characters. Ronon, McKay and Kaylee. Either way it was a lot of fun.
With 12 episodes to go, I still dislike Teyla. This was an alright episode, but once again, I think she brought it down. She's just not that good of an actress. Nice buildup though, and it seems they're starting to plan for the last half of the season.
Atlantis - Tracker
Hey look. Dr. Kaylee is kidnapped again. She's becoming Stargate's Kim Bauer. This was actually a really good episode. I enjoyed it. Maybe becasue it was all about eh shows good characters. Ronon, McKay and Kaylee. Either way it was a lot of fun.
SpoonyBard
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The last episode of Atlantis was kind of disapointing. Ok, there was a big fight and some kind of conclusion to the story, but everything was kind of rushed and it felt like the show was cancelled without much warning, and they didn't hhave time to finish everything properly...
CarbonatedFalcon
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I think there were plans to have a movie or two, but then MGM went bankrupt so nothing ever came of it. Real shame.
aHebrewMenagerie
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Still better than the SGU/SG1 ending. I know that SG1 got a proper end to its story, but the series just sort of stopped. The last episode didn't even feel like a finale. And SGU, don't even get me started on that one.
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It'd be nice if you bunch spoiler your conversation before getting into specifics, seeing as Forester hasn't finished Atlantis and Universe.
SpoonyBard
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SG1 got a pretty good ending, but for some reason they made two more seasons after it. I still haven't seen all of Universe, so I can't comment on that.
SGU had a pretty great ending, kind of dulled by the fact that I hated almost everyone and kind of wanted them to die (my low opinion of the characters didn't really change, even though the series mostly redeemed itself by the end).
Major SGU spoilers
The characters realized that they can't make episodes anymore. Rush is annoyed, and says that things like the end goal and the mythology don't really matter, the entire point of the show was about the week-to-week episodes, even if they suck sometimes. But they have no choice. They simply can't make any more episodes at this time. So everyone says goodbye, and then they go to sleep for three years... or maybe forever. Whoops, Eli's pod is broken. Eli represents the audience. If Eli can't fix his pod, then he will die, and the audience will not get to see what happens next.
Maybe he fixes his pod and they all wake up together in a couple of years, or maybe he dies a hero and the show essentially sleeps forever. Or maybe he dies, and everyone else wakes up, so the show goes on in some form, we just don't get to watch because Eli is dead. Or maybe he fixed the pod, but the reason we can't see through him is because the jump will take 1000 years. It's all a metaphor for the state of the show post-cancellation, and if the producers don't get to show you what happens next, then it's all up to you, if you choose to believe the best or the worst of things.
Maybe he fixes his pod and they all wake up together in a couple of years, or maybe he dies a hero and the show essentially sleeps forever. Or maybe he dies, and everyone else wakes up, so the show goes on in some form, we just don't get to watch because Eli is dead. Or maybe he fixed the pod, but the reason we can't see through him is because the jump will take 1000 years. It's all a metaphor for the state of the show post-cancellation, and if the producers don't get to show you what happens next, then it's all up to you, if you choose to believe the best or the worst of things.
http://www.gateworld.net/movies/05.shtml
Note: He's referring to a third SG1 movie as being "greenlit", since 2008 was when the second SG1 movie came out, and this quote is obviously from later.
This last bit was while SGU was still filming, and then apparently MGM ordered the SG1 and Atlantis sets to be taken down, and the producers said "The SGU set hasn't been smashed yet, can we at least make an SGU movie?" and MGM said "No, not even an SGU movie." All the movie hopes were dead and buried before the final episode of SGU aired. MGM apparently dropped the axe hard when they canned SGU, which probably had a lot to do with their financial situation at the time.
DrForester
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Atlantis - First Contact/The Lost Tribe
Nice two part episode. The Daedelus being taken by the Wraith felt like filler but the rest was good. Nice to see Jackson back and make McKay look like a douche. Was not expecting some evil Asguard to be introduced halfway through the final season, and won't be surprised if they don't come back.
Nice two part episode. The Daedelus being taken by the Wraith felt like filler but the rest was good. Nice to see Jackson back and make McKay look like a douche. Was not expecting some evil Asguard to be introduced halfway through the final season, and won't be surprised if they don't come back.
Android18a
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Ah, Atlantis. I loved McKay and Sheppard so much, but Teyla and Ronon were horrible 2D characters with no likability at all...
I'd be up for a reboot film.
I'd be up for a reboot film.
DrForester
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Atlantis - Outsiders
OK episode. Nothing really special or memorable about it except the guys "oh crud" face at the end when they blow him up with the Wraith.
Atlantis - Inquisition
Nothing like a recap episode 7 episodes before the finale. Decent recap episode though, just seems like poor timing on it.
OK episode. Nothing really special or memorable about it except the guys "oh crud" face at the end when they blow him up with the Wraith.
Atlantis - Inquisition
Nothing like a recap episode 7 episodes before the finale. Decent recap episode though, just seems like poor timing on it.
Xplatformer
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Shut your mouth. What if I like Ronon because he was a strong, gruff unlikeable badass character. He was a great contrast to McKay.
DrForester
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The problem with McKay is he's fun to laugh at because he's a weenie. He's an entertaining character, but he never really became a good character, unlike Danial in SG1.
SpoonyBard
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McKay was intolerable in SG1, I'm glad he was less sexist and more rounded already at the beginning in Atlantis. And it took some time until he learned to shoot straight... but other than that I think the character was pretty good. Daniel in SG1 was worse, he was basically a translator in galaxy where everyone already spoke English. A walking inconstancy. Plus the actor was worse... or at least had too many scenes where he just had to react to the camera after some other character said something funny.
I never quite got the hate for SG-U, and I say this as someone who has been watching the series (bar Atlantis) since day dot.
Rush was a brilliant character. One moment likable, the next resentfully correct, and other times a right arse with his Machiavellian outlook. The tension between Rush and Greer (another eminently unlikable character) was fantastic indeed, and often the only thing making you like one character at any given moment was that the other was that much more spiteful.
Occasionally they would flip too, so sometimes Greer would be more agreeable than Rush, and vice versa.
Without spoiling the series, I do find it was far more interesting as a concept than what SG-1 had become (overpowered). The crew were stranded, fighting for survival and fundamentally needing to overcome shortages for essential life support. That to me brought back the 'McGyver' aspect not seen since seasons 1-3 of SG-1.
I'd love to see a whole series built around Carter + McKay + Rush too. With Baal as the only other regular.
Rush was a brilliant character. One moment likable, the next resentfully correct, and other times a right arse with his Machiavellian outlook. The tension between Rush and Greer (another eminently unlikable character) was fantastic indeed, and often the only thing making you like one character at any given moment was that the other was that much more spiteful.
Occasionally they would flip too, so sometimes Greer would be more agreeable than Rush, and vice versa.
Without spoiling the series, I do find it was far more interesting as a concept than what SG-1 had become (overpowered). The crew were stranded, fighting for survival and fundamentally needing to overcome shortages for essential life support. That to me brought back the 'McGyver' aspect not seen since seasons 1-3 of SG-1.
I'd love to see a whole series built around Carter + McKay + Rush too. With Baal as the only other regular.
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Season 1 had some interesting parts, but the majority of the characters were very unlikable in all of Season 1 and a lot of season 2. Apart from that, I pretty much agree with what you said.
I think it was a big mistake using the Lucian Alliance as such substantial villains.
Also: Dax is banned?
CarbonatedFalcon
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Well the whole
really put a damper on things in S1 of SGU. Was not good storytelling.
body-swapping angle, especially the sexscapades via the Ancient communication stones
So I'm on episode 5.4 "The Daedalus Variations", did any of the writers ever mention anything about these unknown aliens. We find out almost nothing about them from the episode besides the fact that they seem to be stronger physically and are on par if not further ahead technologically, I was wondering if these were set to be future big bad guys or something for future seasons that never happened and the episode was a bit of foreshadowing.
I'm pretty sure the writers usually didn't plan that far ahead. That's why we weren't told anything about them. So they can do whatever they want with them later on.
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Atlantis - The Prodigal
Overall, I thought this was a solid episode. Nice mystery at the start, and the build up was nice. Ronon and Woolsey moments were great. It did feel like a sputtering out of the Michael storyline though. I had his arc pegged for the finale, and they just off this character who's been an antagonist for 4 seasons before the end.
Atlantis - Remnants
Once again, Stargate kills the tension by going to far so you know it's not real. This was an interesting set up, with Koyla appearing out of nowhere. But once he chopped off our main characters hand, you knew it wasn't real and you just waited for the shoe to drop and it was tougher to enjoy.
Overall, I thought this was a solid episode. Nice mystery at the start, and the build up was nice. Ronon and Woolsey moments were great. It did feel like a sputtering out of the Michael storyline though. I had his arc pegged for the finale, and they just off this character who's been an antagonist for 4 seasons before the end.
Atlantis - Remnants
Once again, Stargate kills the tension by going to far so you know it's not real. This was an interesting set up, with Koyla appearing out of nowhere. But once he chopped off our main characters hand, you knew it wasn't real and you just waited for the shoe to drop and it was tougher to enjoy.
DrForester
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Atlantis - Brain Storm
+10 for Neil deGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye shitting on McKay from great heights. Once again, Dr. Kaylee is there to get in trouble and need to be rescued. Poor girl needs something positive to do. Fun episode otherwise. Kaylee and McKay make a cute, and creepy couple.
+10 for Neil deGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye shitting on McKay from great heights. Once again, Dr. Kaylee is there to get in trouble and need to be rescued. Poor girl needs something positive to do. Fun episode otherwise. Kaylee and McKay make a cute, and creepy couple.
Man this was the best episode of that entire shitty season. Loved it though.
DrForester
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Atlantis - Infection
Enjoyable episode. I don't think Todd has been properly utilized and he's flip-flopped way too often. This show really failed to give the Wraith a face and he could have been it, but even if he ends up coming back in the last few episodes, I don't think he'll make an effective final villain.
Atlantis - Identity
Hey look! Dr. Kaylee is in trouble and has to be rescued. Where do they get these original ideas.
Enjoyable episode. I don't think Todd has been properly utilized and he's flip-flopped way too often. This show really failed to give the Wraith a face and he could have been it, but even if he ends up coming back in the last few episodes, I don't think he'll make an effective final villain.
Atlantis - Identity
Hey look! Dr. Kaylee is in trouble and has to be rescued. Where do they get these original ideas.
"Hey, at least I didn't declassify Pluto from planet status. Way to make all the little kids cry, Neil. That make you feel like a big man?"
DrForester
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Atlantis - Vegas
The hell. This isn't Teal'c P.I. We want Teal'c and Ronon solving crime! Not Sheppard. Sheppard is boring!
And now that the cold opening is done, time to watch the rest.
EDIT: You lazy bastards couldn't throw together a joke opening?!?!
Kind of a meh episode. Like they wanted to do their 100th episode thing but just didn't go all out with it.
WE PAID FOR THIS JOHNNY CASH SONG AND WE'LL USE IT!
The hell. This isn't Teal'c P.I. We want Teal'c and Ronon solving crime! Not Sheppard. Sheppard is boring!
And now that the cold opening is done, time to watch the rest.
EDIT: You lazy bastards couldn't throw together a joke opening?!?!
Kind of a meh episode. Like they wanted to do their 100th episode thing but just didn't go all out with it.
WE PAID FOR THIS JOHNNY CASH SONG AND WE'LL USE IT!
DrForester
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Atlantis - Enemy At The Gate
Knowing there's no movie, this really would have been better as a two parter. I guess the big issue I have with the whole premise of the ZPM powered Hive is that the Wraith have had free reign in the Pegasus Galaxy for millennia, how is it they never came across one. Very nice SFX in the climax though. Unlike SG1 this worked as a finale at least.
They park Atlantis in San Fransisco and still make sure to point out that "LOL, Earth still doesn't know"
Stargate: Atlantis
Well, two down one to go. Atlantis wasn't bad, but it was certainly a step down from SG1. The series just kind of wandered through it's 5 seasons, never finding a focus. They set things up with no real payoff. Ford just vanished. They off Michael out of the blue without much fanfare for a villain who had been around 3 seasons. The Wraith may have been more of a menace than the Goa'uld ever were, but they certainly lacked the personality of them. There were also problems with the cast. Sheppard was alright, but he never manged to be entertaining like O'Neill or Mitchell. Ronon was a great addition to the cast, and once they got going, McKay might have been a bit pathetic, but he certainly was enjoyable to watch. Teyla was terrible, and because they only got one season each, Carter and Woolsey never really got to come into their own as leaders.
Now for Stargate: Universe
They say never judge a book by it's cover. But I decided to look a the cast picture before watching the pilot.
I already hate that smug little shit in the blue shirt... and the guy in the middle looks like he's very constipated. Hey, the guy on the left is going The Magnum.
Wait... It's Lou Diamond Phillips, this show will be awesome!
Knowing there's no movie, this really would have been better as a two parter. I guess the big issue I have with the whole premise of the ZPM powered Hive is that the Wraith have had free reign in the Pegasus Galaxy for millennia, how is it they never came across one. Very nice SFX in the climax though. Unlike SG1 this worked as a finale at least.
They park Atlantis in San Fransisco and still make sure to point out that "LOL, Earth still doesn't know"
Stargate: Atlantis
Well, two down one to go. Atlantis wasn't bad, but it was certainly a step down from SG1. The series just kind of wandered through it's 5 seasons, never finding a focus. They set things up with no real payoff. Ford just vanished. They off Michael out of the blue without much fanfare for a villain who had been around 3 seasons. The Wraith may have been more of a menace than the Goa'uld ever were, but they certainly lacked the personality of them. There were also problems with the cast. Sheppard was alright, but he never manged to be entertaining like O'Neill or Mitchell. Ronon was a great addition to the cast, and once they got going, McKay might have been a bit pathetic, but he certainly was enjoyable to watch. Teyla was terrible, and because they only got one season each, Carter and Woolsey never really got to come into their own as leaders.
Now for Stargate: Universe
They say never judge a book by it's cover. But I decided to look a the cast picture before watching the pilot.
I already hate that smug little shit in the blue shirt... and the guy in the middle looks like he's very constipated. Hey, the guy on the left is going The Magnum.
Wait... It's Lou Diamond Phillips, this show will be awesome!
SpoonyBard
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I think it was the last episode they filmed, and the studio probably didn't want them to spend money on a new opening... The songs probably cost enough. But I liked the episode, and it's probably the one episode I will remember from season 5. The rest was pretty forgettable in comparison.
funkystudent
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I remember liking Vegas. I guess it helps that it came out when CSI mania was running wild.
And I think I still dont think I have watched the last half season of SGU. I think when it aired here they already announced its cancellation and I was already barely watching it anyway so I gave up.
Robert Carlyle does the best with what he was given and there was that once lady with the boobs. That is all I remember from Stargate Universe.
And I think I still dont think I have watched the last half season of SGU. I think when it aired here they already announced its cancellation and I was already barely watching it anyway so I gave up.
Robert Carlyle does the best with what he was given and there was that once lady with the boobs. That is all I remember from Stargate Universe.
The last season is actually good though. The last half is actually excellent.
DrForester
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Universe - Air pt.1
Have to admit, this was a good pilot. Liked the use of flashbacks to introduce people. And was quite intriguing. My earlier comment about the guy in the blue shirt seems to have panned out. However, I do NOT like the Battlestar Galactica shaky cam filming. Hopefully the dark look of this show is temporarily while they get the magic ship up and running, but at least for no, it's not working.
Have to admit, this was a good pilot. Liked the use of flashbacks to introduce people. And was quite intriguing. My earlier comment about the guy in the blue shirt seems to have panned out. However, I do NOT like the Battlestar Galactica shaky cam filming. Hopefully the dark look of this show is temporarily while they get the magic ship up and running, but at least for no, it's not working.
DrForester
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Universe: Air pt.2/3
A nice opening. Can't say I like the characters so far. Eli seems he's going to get annoying fast and Rush seems like McKay lite. Like the look of the show though, and I find the setting already more interesting than Atlantis ever was.
A nice opening. Can't say I like the characters so far. Eli seems he's going to get annoying fast and Rush seems like McKay lite. Like the look of the show though, and I find the setting already more interesting than Atlantis ever was.
Oh cool, Dr Foster just started Universe. I dropped out on my rewatch during his expedition to Atlantis but I'm jumping back on for Universe.
So Dr. Foster what are your thoughts initially on them bringing communicator stones? Ruins the isolation, do you like the fact they remembered they had a useful piece of technology?
So Dr. Foster what are your thoughts initially on them bringing communicator stones? Ruins the isolation, do you like the fact they remembered they had a useful piece of technology?
funkystudent
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I never had a problem with Eli.
But that was mostly because most of his stuff involved someone else who was THE WORST so it distracted from any problems with Eli.
But that was mostly because most of his stuff involved someone else who was THE WORST so it distracted from any problems with Eli.
aHebrewMenagerie
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I was never a fan of Universe, personally, it checked me out of the franchise at the time, because I preferred the feel of SG1 and Atlantis, and still do, but I'm able to look back and appreciate the direction they took the show, it was extremely interesting. I will never forgive SyFy for the fact that they pretty much killed the show by giving it a shitty time block.
DrForester
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It does seem convenient, but if unlocking the 8th chevron took them to another galaxy, it does kind of make sense they would assume the 9th chevron would take them even further and they would have those stones on hand. Also, it saves a string of episodes that tease you with them finally contacting home. Gets it out of the way and off the table immediately. So overall, I have no problem with it.
Team Filler
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I'm not going to lie to you Forester, you're coming into some rough patches for Stargate. But don't let that defeat you, perservere! Stick with it and the show gets into some great moments down the line.
Also, I think some of the best music in the entire franchise was composed for SG:U, so that might be worth a spot of attention.
This may/probably will change.
Also, I think some of the best music in the entire franchise was composed for SG:U, so that might be worth a spot of attention.
This may/probably will change.
DrForester
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I hope the indie rock ending of episode 3 doesn't be come a thing...
Team Filler
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Their artist selection peaked with Johnny Cash, that's all I'll say on that.
Music montages sure are terrible devices
Yeah... about that...
ThoseDeafMutes
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I don't think anything will stop him at this point short of heart failure. He's in too deep.
DrForester
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Universe - Darkness
Rush is an asshole. Alright episode. Nice to see continuity with things not being all cheery aboard the Destiny. Getting tired of everyone moping around though, and the BSG film style is not working for me. It worked for BSG, but it's painfully obvious they're just copying that style.
Rush is an asshole. Alright episode. Nice to see continuity with things not being all cheery aboard the Destiny. Getting tired of everyone moping around though, and the BSG film style is not working for me. It worked for BSG, but it's painfully obvious they're just copying that style.
SpoonyBard
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