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LTTP: Sympathy for Lady Vengeance.

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Grizza said:
Also, there hasn't been enough talk about Kim Ki-duk in this thread. He's the guy that did Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter and Spring, The Isle, Bad Guy, Address Unknown, 3-Iron, The Bow, Time and Real Fiction.

Great filmmaker. 3-iron definitely his masterpiece.

See it before anything else in this thread.
 
Lady Vengeance was very good, if not a little overdone. On the other hand, the subject matter is so intense, it's not really right to say its "overdone" :lol


Some recommendations:

--Peppermint Candy
--Failan
--Chiwaseon (Painted Fire)
--Last Life in the Universe



also, I have the Red Shoes from netflix, I should watch that today.
 
I don't get what's so special about "My Sassy Girl." Pretty typical romantic comedy and the chick wasn't even hot. The first 20 minutes are decent and so are the last 20 minutes, but everything else in between ranges from mediocre to shit.
 
probably my third favourite korean movie of all time (i would have seen over sixty). i've always liked it tenfold over oldboy.

and yeah, ki-duk is generally flawless. no one else would have been able to pull off 3-iron so well.
 
Mamesj said:
Some recommendations:

--Peppermint Candy
--Failan
--Chiwaseon (Painted Fire)
--Last Life in the Universe
Ugh

First of all-- not Korean.

Second of all-- this is Thailand's Garden State. (so if that's the kind of thing you like, be my guest!)
 
Ford Prefect said:
Second of all-- this is Thailand's Garden State. (so if that's the kind of thing you like, be my guest!)
What? I've seen both films, and this comment makes no sense to me. Care to elaborate? I think it's a great movie, and I am not seeing a connection between the two whatsoever.

By the way, have you seen Invisible Waves? I have the DVD but I haven't watched it yet, even though I really want to.
 
el jacko said:
What? I've seen both films, and this comment makes no sense to me. Care to elaborate? I think it's a great movie, and I am not seeing a connection between the two whatsoever.

By the way, have you seen Invisible Waves? I have the DVD but I haven't watched it yet, even though I really want to.
Just in that every character involved was pathetic in that precious, oh-look-at-me-I'm-so-damaged-and-have-problems awful kind of way. The fucking WORST soundtrack I've ever heard in my life didn't help either. I saw it quite a while ago, before I saw anything by Wong Kar-Wai, so I can't really comment on Doyle's cinematography (nothing particularly enjoyable about it springs to mind, though, unlike how obviously great he is in the latter director's films).

I wasn't yet familiar with Takashi Miike, either (still aren't all that much, besides a few films), so his cameo did nothing for me (as if something so insignificant could do anything to elevate this pile of waste anyway).

And the worst part is, though I can't remember the specifics, an interview with the director on the DVD made it plain and simple that he didn't really have any direction or artistic vision to be proud of-- he distinctly says something like "I don't make films to make a statement or a piece of art; I do it to hang out with people I like and have fun".

So there you go: zero substance.

And no, I haven't seen any other film of his.
 
el jacko said:
What? I've seen both films, and this comment makes no sense to me. Care to elaborate? I think it's a great movie, and I am not seeing a connection between the two whatsoever.

By the way, have you seen Invisible Waves? I have the DVD but I haven't watched it yet, even though I really want to.

Different tastes possibly?
 
Ford Prefect said:
Ugh

First of all-- not Korean.

Second of all-- this is Thailand's Garden State. (so if that's the kind of thing you like, be my guest!)



I didn't notice anything about korean films only in this thread, but okay, yeah, it's Thai, if that makes any difference. I recommended it since it has similar style, story, and dynamics between characters compared to a lot of Korean drama. The girl in particular reminds me a bit of the girl in Mr. Vengeance. It's obviously very influenced by Korean films.

but Garden State? (big spoiler for last life, in case anyone else is reading this)--
I don't remember a lot of the dramatic tension in Garden State revolving around Yakuza hunting Andrew.
sorry, that comparison is way out in left field. You can lay on all the film snob analysis you want, but that comparison sucked ass. :lol


edit: ah, I came here to actually post something. This:
Mamesj said:
also, I have the Red Shoes from netflix, I should watch that today.

is the worst horror movie ever. first movie I've turned off halfway through in a long time. basically, the red shoes are given no context and you're just supposed to suspend your disbelief while people randomly go psycho over them :lol
 
Grimmy said:
I was with the director at its premiere in Toronto Film Fest. Believe me, it was last year.

Heh, that's where I saw it, so I guess it WAS only last year. Maybe it feels like longer cause hte film was kinda slow :)
 
Just saw Lady V.

Problem was, that after watching Old Boy and Sympathy for Mr. V., I was expecting a twist that never came. Other than that, loved it.
 
I only just watched Old Boy last week and another guy told me that it was a trilogy, awesome movie Old Boy is, will have to get these others as well now.
 
el jacko said:
Let me just say, though, that Save the Green Planet is a terrible movie, and you should never, ever watch it. Ever.

...

A Tale of Two Sisters is really freaking boring, by the way.

Huh?



el jacko said:
My Wife is a Gangster and Welcome to Dongmakgol are good films to watch

Now I see.
 
Ford Prefect said:
Just in that every character involved was pathetic in that precious, oh-look-at-me-I'm-so-damaged-and-have-problems awful kind of way.

Such a weird complaint, considering this is basically an Asian cinema thread and such a stereotype is basic for the media.

Ford Prefect said:
I saw it quite a while ago, before I saw anything by Wong Kar-Wai, so I can't really comment on Doyle's cinematography (nothing particularly enjoyable about it springs to mind, though, unlike how obviously great he is in the latter director's films).

Quite a few sequences stand out remarkably, actually. The ruined architecture was for once deliciously accomplished.

Ford Prefect said:
And the worst part is, though I can't remember the specifics, an interview with the director on the DVD made it plain and simple that he didn't really have any direction or artistic vision to be proud of-- he distinctly says something like "I don't make films to make a statement or a piece of art; I do it to hang out with people I like and have fun".

So there you go: zero substance.


This is basically the one thing to justify your hate, and it is pretty basic even if disheartening. I do believe in a very interesting visual and narrative technique beyond Pen-Ek’s production. Even if message-less it sprouts a nice melodic composition, refreshingly free from the chains of understandment.

On Park’s trilogy; “Lady Vengeance” is probably the more quirky, with a very lighthearted take on storytelling and a less haunting grasp of the core theme. “Oldboy” had prettier scenes for me, actually. The vintage-shoot flashback to Dae-su’s schooldays remains as my favorite sequence of his. The unapologetic take on revenge in “Sympathy…” is an entire different beast, though. Not as lyrical or stylish but with a realistic sense of social alienation and youthful anger.
 
IMO this is the weakest of the trilogy but still it is very good movie. It was way too straightforward and i didn't like that, Oldboy kinda set too high expectations for the plot in my case. I was waiting something complex and new but in the end it was kinda meh.

Oldboy had interesting and maybe even complex plot and Mr. Vengeance made you think your rights for the vengeance and the outcome of your revenge. Lady Vengeance didn't have complex plot nor it didn't raise any thoughts.

My rank:

1) Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance
2) Oldboy
3) Lady Vengeance

Oh, and Oldboy had far superior soundtrack than Lady vengeance :D.


Next i'm watching im a cyborg but that's ok, from Park.


Stinkles said:
Problem was, that after watching Old Boy and Sympathy for Mr. V., I was expecting a twist that never came.

I think the bigest twist in Lady V was that there was no twist.
 
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