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LTTP: The Good Dinosaur (spoilers inside)

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I was looking for something to watch and came across the Good Dinosaur on Amazon. I missed it in theaters and completely forgot it existed.

I knew nothing going in, so I was pretty surprised that the movie is about dinosaurs who farm to get by. The setting is pretty bizarre. Say what you will about Cars, but it was fun seeing all the little details they put together to make the setting feel like a world full of sentient cars. TGD seems lazy in comparison, it's our world with dinosaurs substituted in for people. This makes some details not make much sense. What were the dinosaur family doing with the chickens? I guess eating their eggs, but they don't seem big enough to crack a dent in the daily calorie needs of a brontosaurus, and anyway they're herbivores. It's not a huge deal, just disappointing coming from Pixar.

Everything that happened before the dad dies was boring, and everything that happens from that point to the t-rexes was pointless. That was a really long sequence just to show Arlo and Spot becoming friends. Scenes like the one with the triceratops just feel like padding. He had one or two jokes, and the movie wouldn't be any different if the scene were removed. The fermented fruit scene was just odd too, it felt really out of place. There were a lot of moments watching this movie where thought to myself "What the hell am I watching?"

The t-rexes were the only characters in the movie I liked, though again the small details feel a little off compared to what I'd expect from Pixar. Do they only eat their longhorns? Why are they alternately much more powerful than or completely helpless against the raptors depending on what the movie calls for at a given moment? Again, it felt lazy.

A lot of dramatic moments fell completely flat for me. There's some surprisingly obvious comparisons to Lion King, which yet again felt pretty lazy coming from a Pixar movie. But in the Lion King the scene where Simba sees Mufasa in the sky was really powerful. In TGD I was just left wondering if Arlo had eaten some more rotten apricots off-screen before being chucked off the mountain. If I remember right in the Lion King Mufasa basically just tells Simba to get his act together, which is believable. Simba knows he's being selfish hanging out with Timon and Pumba while his family is being subjugated by Scar. In TGD it just felt to me like Arlo was being sort of a dick complimenting himself by imagining his dad repeating the "You're me and more" line.

Another was when Arlo "saves" Spot. Did jumping in front of the wall of water even do anything? That scene would have made a lot more sense if they just left it at him fighting off the pterodactyl.

And speaking of the pterodactyl, why does Arlo sometimes seem fragile but at others he can fight off a predator with a bit of a running start and a headbutt? There's a lot of stuff like that that just looks goofy, another being the raptors winning the fight against the T-rex before Arlo stepped in. They were beating it around as if it weren't three times their size.

And the end just seemed ridiculous. Arlo is at least partially responsible for the death of the father since he couldn't do something as simple as feed some chickens while his siblings were actually contributing. He let Spot go even though Spot was putting his family in danger, and there's nothing to suggest that the humans are going to stop stealing corn.

Even if you think Arlo isn't to blame at all for the father's death, all he did was find his way home, which he would have been completely incapable of without Spot. What exactly did he do to earn his mark? It's basically a pity mark since everyone's glad he's alive, and he even got to place it higher than his brother and sister!

I could rant on, but the movie just did not click for me. Pixar seems to have really lost their way, for years I would scoff at people who preferred Dreamworks or Disney animated movies, but Zootopia was great. I wouldn't call Dreamworks' recent movie classics or anything, but they're fun and worth watching. I'd rewatch Cars before TGD.
 
I think the problem with this movie is that the characters are really forgettable. Other than that, it's not a bad movie at all.
 
I remember first reading about The Good Dinosaur on Wikipedia after a D23 years ago (before Inside Out had a name)

I imagined it was going to be what Zootopia is now, but with dinosaurs. Sheesh.
 
I think the problem with this movie is that the characters are really forgettable. Other than that, it's not a bad movie at all.

I think the entire story is just kind of dumb.

Like at the ending, where do they go from there?

They're still not going to have enough food to survive the winter. They were already in trouble when Arlo took off.

Arlo isn't as much of a coward anymore, but it doesn't seem like that's going to make that big a difference. He's smaller than his siblings and doesn't seem capable as doing the watering, lifting, and other chores as well as them. He can feed the chickens now, but is that going to save the family?

And Spot didn't seem to have problem eating their corn before. Now he has a family and would be justified in thinking Arlo owes him for repeatedly saving his life.
 
I think the problem with this movie is that the characters are really forgettable. Other than that, it's not a bad movie at all.

Having good characters is probably the most important part of making movies, though. :P

I've yet to see it, but yeah, not really in a hurry based on all the impressions
 
It's a very strange movie and I think the visual style perfectly encapsulates the general feel of the film - cartoon ass dinosaurs on a photorealistic backdrop. Doesn't quite work.
 
Even if you think Arlo isn't to blame at all for the father's death, all he did was find his way home, which he would have been completely incapable of without Spot. What exactly did he do to earn his mark? It's basically a pity mark since everyone's glad he's alive, and he even got to place it higher than his brother and sister!

I'd rewatch Cars before TGD.

I'd rewatch Cars 2 before the Last Dinosaur. The main character is a whiny little coward who unintentionally gets his father killed, goes on a journey, adopts a caveman child, gets a tiny bit of bravery and returns home (through the help of the Caveboy) only slightly changed. He so did not earn his mark. Getting lost and finding your way home isn't an accomplishment.
 
Yeah I didn't really enjoy it either. Arlo was such an irritating pansy, and the movie just had bizarre scenes and logic. It really makes it obvious it had a troubled production.
 
Oh and some of the toys look horrifying too

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I with you OP, I hated this movie. Easily my least favorite of the Pixar movies. What you said about the setting being lazy is exactly what I felt. There were no clever spins on the fact that these dinosaurs are now the "humans".

I think what topped it off was the fact that the human character was basically the trope of "faithful dog". Honestly, you couldn't come up with a human "call"? Not even some weird ululating? Plain lazy.

The only enjoyment I got out of this movie was the cringe comedy of Arlo (or whatever his name is). Him trying to howl was hilarious.
 
I watched it for the first time recently, and I thought it was fine. Doesn't really stand out in any way, and the mash-up of gorgeous realistic environments and cartoony dinosaurs is kind of weird, but aside from that I thought it was decent, and superior to some other Pixar films (Ratatouille, the Cars films). The plot is fine and Arlo does have an arc where he's no longer a coward by the end, although it's a little thin and the stuff with the Styracosaurus does feel a little like padding, and the scene with the T. Rex family is a little inconsistent, even if it helps with Arlo's character development.

It was okay. I can see why it was a financial failure, in the same way something like Mr. Peabody also was.
 
I with you OP, I hated this movie. Easily my least favorite of the Pixar movies. What you said about the setting being lazy is exactly what I felt. There were no clever spins on the fact that these dinosaurs are now the "humans".

I think what topped it off was the fact that the human character was basically the trope of "faithful dog". Honestly, you couldn't come up with a human "call"? Not even some weird ululating? Plain lazy.

The only enjoyment I got out of this movie was the cringe comedy of Arlo (or whatever his name is). Him trying to howl was hilarious.

Yeah, I thought the same thing. The kid has some behaviors clearly modeled on dogs, and when he howled and it was returned at first I thought "Oh, his parents died and he was raised by wolves, makes sense."

But nope, in this topsy-turvy world dinosaurs are people and people are wolves.

It's another detail that doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things but I found annoying, similar to how the T-rexes are friends to all dinosaurs and humans and only eat longhorns, but I thought it was pretty lame that Spot is so wolf-like that he even has a supernatural sense of smell.

I watched it for the first time recently, and I thought it was fine. Doesn't really stand out in any way, and the mash-up of gorgeous realistic environments and cartoony dinosaurs is kind of weird, but aside from that I thought it was decent, and superior to some other Pixar films (Ratatouille, the Cars films). The plot is fine and Arlo does have an arc where he's no longer a coward by the end, although it's a little thin and the stuff with the Styracosaurus does feel a little like padding, and the scene with the T. Rex family is a little inconsistent, even if it helps with Arlo's character development.

It was okay. I can see why it was a financial failure, in the same way something like Mr. Peabody also was.

I don't even buy that he's not a coward by the end. He briefly acts brave several times during the movie, doing stuff like confronting Spot or fighting a raptor, but then he'll go on to freak out again when it counts. As soon as he gets re-acclimated to the relative peace of the farm he'll likely go right back to be terrified of chickens.

I saw the movie last week to me it's a rip off of the lion king some many parts reminded me of the movie

Yeah, that really surprised me. I haven't seen The Lion King in probably a decade or longer and was reminded of it a lot. I can't think of any other Pixar movies that are so obviously influenced by another movie.
 
I think the movie is all concept, ideas and premise and no follow-through and pay-off.

I mean it's not bad or offensive, but just a bit of overall fizzle.

Looks amazing though.
 
FINALLY got around to seeing this yesterday. I knew from the trailers that the dad was gonna die and, being extremely close to my dad, predicted it would fuck my shit up so I actually avoided seeing it which is a first for Pixar for me. Then I found out my dad watched it without me so when I went to visit my parents over the weekend, we grabbed it from Redbox.

Very... strange. Like.. it's good.. but it's not great. There are things it does incredibly well, but the over-all experience is just.. missing something? There was a post in the OT that said all Pixar movies have a reason for the characters being toys/bugs/cars/fish/etc but there wasn't really a reason for anyone to be dinosaurs here and I feel that.

I also saw someone comment that the sense of scale was totally off and I feel that too. Arlo and his family are Brachiosaurus and though Arlo is a kid/teen for the main duration of the movie, he and all the other dinosaurs feel very small. Even with Spot there for size reverence I never really got the sense that these were huge dinosaurs. I don't know what they could have done to change that but it definitely stuck out to me.

As far as the story, it was good but standard. I knew the dad was gonna die and I cried when he did but for the first time at a Pixar movie I actually felt mad that I was crying. It didn't feel deserved to me, there wasn't enough build up of Arlo's relationship with his father to really have his death hit the way it should have. There were little glimpses that despite all his shortcomings and how he frustrated his family his dad had a special place for him but it really really needed more fleshing out for me to feel like crying over his death was deserved. I saw others in the OT describe it as emotional manipulation and I actually agree which really bums me out, I expect a LOT more from Pixar on the emotional front because out of, what, 16 films? They have all felt extremely genuine emotionally except for this one.

I also HATED how abrupt the ending was. That sucked. The Good Dinosaur might not be the worst Pixar film on my list or even in the bottom five but the ending is by far the worst ending they have ever put on screen.

That said, there was a lot of good stuff. The bit with Arlo and Spot describing their families was very well done, that's the kind of emotional punch I expect from them. Also, Spot in general was FANTASTIC. Easily my favorite character by a country mile. His animation was astounding and as the "dog" in the "boy and his dog" movie, he was extremely likable. I also really enjoyed the T-Rex family, and they're my dad's favorite part of the movie. It took some getting used to to see a T-Rex gallop like a horse but it was hilarious and inspired. Nice to see them be good guys for once.

One thing that shocked me was how extremely violent the movie was!! Arlo gets the shit beat out of him constantly, often times not even just in a cartoony way but like really intense injuries.
I was honestly expecting them to revisit the T-Rex talk about scars when he got home, have his siblings see him battered and bruised and they're in awe as he boasts that each scar tells a story to show how much he's grown from when they last saw him. There was fuck-all in the way of payoff once he got back to the farm though. Ugh.

I would really, really like to read the original version of the script. Halfway through development they scrapped EVERYTHING except the "Dinosaurs didn't go extinct and Arlo grew up on a farm" aspect. Recast everyone, massive rewrites to everything outside of probably the opening sequence with the asteroid. I imagine the original drafts may have served the concept a lot better than the, honestly, rushed story they threw together to make their release date without delaying it another year.

But even though there's so many problems I have with it I still can't call it a bad movie. I enjoyed it, it was gorgeous in terms of scenery and animation, it had some good characters, it was just missing that creative spark that all other Pixar movies have. Very very weird film for sure.

If anyone can point me in the direction of the original script, if it's ever become available online, that would be rad.
 
It's a really weird movie. It looks fantastic, the concept is interesting enough, but the entire movie basically boils down to the dinosaur losing his dad, getting lost, and making his way back home. Sure, there's a little more to it, but not really enough to sustain the movie...

Which looks incredible, I have to mention again. At least, other than the characters themselves, which look a little out of place next to the astounding environments.

Dunno. There are some cute moments here and there, but even my kids got bored midway through and they're generally forgiving of most movies. It's by far their least favourite Pixar movie and I'd say it's mine as well. I have no real desire to see it again because there's nothing that compelling other than its visuals, which is really weird for a Pixar movie. And if this is what they ended up with after rewrites...what sort of disaster was it before?
 
Watched it a few months ago, it just felt lazy uninspired and a very unoriginal as it borrowed element from Kimba the White Lion erm I mean The Lion King and the first Ice Age Movie.

Pixar has really gone downhill as Disney Animation studio is just kicking their butts.
 
Maybe Lasseter's plan all along was to bring glory back to Disney Animation. The Pixar name doesn't have as much clout anymore
 
I recently watched it in the plane. It is okay, definitely not the quality I would expect from a Pixar movie. It's something I would expect from Dreamworks or SPA or something.

I will say though that the environment detail and graphics are top notch, maybe the best out of any animated movies. Made me wonder when we'll get a realistic all animated/CGI movie that looks just like a live action flick. Probably still some years away, but the graphics are sometimes that good.

Except for Arlo and the dinosaurs, which just seem out of place given how great the graphic in other areas are. That was just weird to see.

The writing and story seemed okay. I could buy it and see what they were going for. The direction was just poor, I think.

If I ever buy this movie is because I started a pixar collection, otherwise there's no point.

Maybe Lasseter's plan all along was to bring glory back to Disney Animation. The Pixar name doesn't have as much clout anymore

Let's not go crazy here. Inside out grossed $850M and Finding Dory will probably do at least that. We can say though, that right now Disney animation is outputting more critically and commercially acclaimed animated movies. Pixar is probably where Disney animation was in the late 90s, early 2000s, except Pixar is doing better than Disney animation was doing back then.
 
I don't really get the reverence people have for Pixar. I think I did a decade ago, but I've watched enough non-Anime animation actually targeted at adults now that... Pixar just feels like another Disney/Dreamworks/etc.

Which is fine. I've watched this twice with my daughter. Its fine. It teaches her good things. Last time I watched it I thought, "They should have named this 'Brave' and just never made the other one."
 
Maybe today's Pixar is just like any other animation studio, but they were pumping out the highest quality movies and commercial hits for the longest. I don't think there is another studio that can compete with the streak golden age Pixar had.

Having said that, TGD was disappointing. The cartoony dinos did not blend well with the amazingly realistic backgrounds. Was also boring and I think also had some disturbing scenes for a kids film. Pixar, get back to form plz.
 
The creation of this movie is a trainwreck. The original director wanted the dinosaurs to be straight amish and have an amish community that Arlo was tossed out of. Spot was originally a bug arlo keeps in a terrarium. They also had weird rules on what textures they could and couldn't use, and were only allowed one river due to budget. Of course, they couldn't get that premise to work, so they had to redo the movie twice, including putting the whole studio on it at one point to save it, just to get it where it is now. Its a pretty decent save for what it could've been.
 
I remember the teaser trailer, which simply asked "what if the meteor that killed the dinosaurs missed earth?" got me so hyped.

Then I read the full story description.

Hype deflated.
 
I don't really get the reverence people have for Pixar. I think I did a decade ago, but I've watched enough non-Anime animation actually targeted at adults now that... Pixar just feels like another Disney/Dreamworks/etc.

Which is fine. I've watched this twice with my daughter. Its fine. It teaches her good things. Last time I watched it I thought, "They should have named this 'Brave' and just never made the other one."

I think their hits are still pretty numerous in their catalogue and their highs reached heights that other animated films typically don't reach.

Part of The appeal, in the past at least, has been how the stories magically work totally for kids and adults. A lot of stuff out there doesn't strike the balance that the highs of Pixar films did for the longest time.
 
The creation of this movie is a trainwreck. The original director wanted the dinosaurs to be straight amish and have an amish community that Arlo was tossed out of. Spot was originally a bug arlo keeps in a terrarium. They also had weird rules on what textures they could and couldn't use, and were only allowed one river due to budget. Of course, they couldn't get that premise to work, so they had to redo the movie twice, including putting the whole studio on it at one point to save it, just to get it where it is now. Its a pretty decent save for what it could've been.

It does explain a lot.
 
I loved TGD, you guys are all crazy.

Best Pixar movie in years, imo. My kids and I have watched it many times in the past month.
 
I don't really get the reverence people have for Pixar. I think I did a decade ago, but I've watched enough non-Anime animation actually targeted at adults now that... Pixar just feels like another Disney/Dreamworks/etc.

Which is fine. I've watched this twice with my daughter. Its fine. It teaches her good things. Last time I watched it I thought, "They should have named this 'Brave' and just never made the other one."
They had a pretty amazing steak from about The Incredibles to Up. And while I think that stretch is their best work, all of their previous movies were very good as well.

But yeah, now they're basically on par with Disney and Dreamworks, sometimes not as good as those. Zootopia was great compared to the last few Pixar movies.
 
I disagree that the movie looks good. There's something about the environments that looks procedurally generated. Like artists weren't really involved in the process, just algorithms.

Like, someone opened up CryEngine, generated a few forested mountains and then imported characters from Mario Galaxy.
 
I thought it was on the same level as Brave.
Nice visually, but nothing that really stood out.

Brave had some nice scenes to it. The story descended in to junk but it had great moments that made the film worth watching.
The good dinosaur had nothing apart from nice visuals.

Cars 2 was more enjoyable... And I think that was one of the worst Pixar films
 
I honestly kinda hated Good Dinosaur. It felt like shitty left-over scraps after the deliciousness of Inside Out.

I disagree that the movie looks good. There's something about the environments that looks procedurally generated. Like artists weren't really involved in the process, just algorithms.

Like, someone opened up CryEngine, generated a few forested mountains and then imported characters from Mario Galaxy.


Yeah the animation might be technically good, but the cinematography and art direction was super bland. Just compare that shit with like Ratatouille which-- despite coming out 8 years prior--still looks much better, with great lighting, really kinetic camerawork, and excellent framing that serves both the story and the humor:

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It's pretty uninspired for a Pixar movie, surprisingly. At least Cars 2 kind of entertained me. Pretty tho
 
The creation of this movie is a trainwreck. The original director wanted the dinosaurs to be straight amish and have an amish community that Arlo was tossed out of. Spot was originally a bug arlo keeps in a terrarium. They also had weird rules on what textures they could and couldn't use, and were only allowed one river due to budget. Of course, they couldn't get that premise to work, so they had to redo the movie twice, including putting the whole studio on it at one point to save it, just to get it where it is now. Its a pretty decent save for what it could've been.

Do you know more about the early production of the movie or can you go into more detail? I've never heard of Spot being an actual bug before, I remember back when they called humans "bugs" though. I don't really know why they changed that to "critters" in the final version but I don't understand a lot of things they did. If it's secret stuff you could always PM me and I promise to keep my mouth shut!

I can't get this movie out of my head since seeing it last Sunday because it is just so weird to me. I think I'm more curious about its development then Brave (which apparently was MUCH too dark, hence the rewrites that eventually pushed the creator out of the director's chair) or newt, my most anticipated Pixar movie that never was ):

What I really want to know is how far into development the version with dinosaurs in modern-day went, if it went anywhere at all. Way before TGD was announced, there was some behind-the-scenes featurette on another Pixar movie's BluRay and in the background on the wall there was a (very, very different looking) young brachiosaurus standing next to a young boy/teen dressed in modern clothing. I feel like that served the idea of "what if the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs missed earth and they never went extinct" way way better than what we actually got and I'm so curious about what happened with whatever those renders were from.

Fake edit: found it -

 
The Good Dinosaur was just a really really long tech demo.
Yes

It actually could have been that, a 7 minute short made just to display Pixar's graphical chops.

Nothing about it in particular is very unique and I regret ever watching the movie, it's not bad, just seemingly unnecessary.
 
They had a pretty amazing steak from about The Incredibles to Up. And while I think that stretch is their best work, all of their previous movies were very good as well.

But yeah, now they're basically on par with Disney and Dreamworks, sometimes not as good as those. Zootopia was great compared to the last few Pixar movies.
Personally I would say even Toy Story to Toy Story 3 was great (although I don't really like TS3 nearly as much as the other two)
 
I saw it on the plane. It was alright, but pretty boring for the most part. I didn't feel it brought anything particularly new or compelling to the table.

I loved the premise, that the dinosaurs didn't get fucked over by a meteor. The first few minutes are great. Other than that, I thought it was a waste of a premise. A lot of missed potential here.

It did look great, though. Even when watching it on a shitty airplane LCD screen.

I also saw someone comment that the sense of scale was totally off and I feel that too. Arlo and his family are Brachiosaurus and though Arlo is a kid/teen for the main duration of the movie, he and all the other dinosaurs feel very small. Even with Spot there for size reverence I never really got the sense that these were huge dinosaurs. I don't know what they could have done to change that but it definitely stuck out to me.

I'm going to assume that over the millions of years that dinosaurs evolved intelligence and agriculture, selective pressure was in the direction of smaller body size.
 
I wonder if it would have been better if it portrayed the dinosaurs wearing clothes and living in a modern metropolis while the humans still remain vermin, rummaging through dumpsters and such. But then they make Spot an intelligent human who wants to be a software engineer or something
 
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