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[Razgriz-Specter]

Im considering a subscription to the Network.
How much of Raw and Smackdown is on there from that era?

Sorry for the dumb question, NXT and the Rumble this weekend were the first time I was excited or even really watched wrestling in over 11 years.
And suddenly im interested.

 

[The Hamburglar]

Im considering a subscription to the Network.
How much of Raw and Smackdown is on there from that era?

Sorry for the dumb question, NXT and the Rumble this weekend were the first time I was excited or even really watched wrestling in over 11 years.
And suddenly im interested.

everything that ever existed is on there. I have zero interest in the new stuff. But love the old stuff due to only catch bits of it during my childhood/teen.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

But love the old stuff due to only catch bits of it during my childhood/teen.

Thanks,
Yeah thats definitely a reason im interested at that time I wasn't able to see it weekly.

 

[Sinatar]

Im considering a subscription to the Network.
How much of Raw and Smackdown is on there from that era?

Sorry for the dumb question, NXT and the Rumble this weekend were the first time I was excited or even really watched wrestling in over 11 years.
And suddenly im interested.

All of Raw and Smackdown is on there. Only thing missing is Sunday Heat.

 

[Anth0ny]

So I just watched Royal Rumble 2017 with your so called best roster and it was the worst fucking dumpster fire I've ever sat through.

Explain that?

EXPLAIN IT.

EDIT: To be clear, the Rumble Match was the dumpster fire, the rest of the card was fine.

lol

it's the booking bro

so many talented guys just dumped like jobbers by braun, brock, goldberg and taker

 

[Sinatar]

Wow so Ric Flair comes over to the WWE from WCW on the day *AFTER* the Invasion story ends? Literally the Raw after Survivor series where the Alliance was disbanded, WCW's biggest star joins WWE.

Shittiest. Timing. Ever.

EDIT: Well I now know the origin of this commonly posted GIF.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Wow so Ric Flair comes over to the WWE from WCW on the day *AFTER* the Invasion story ends? Literally the Raw after Survivor series where the Alliance was disbanded, WCW's biggest star joins WWE.

Shittiest. Timing. Ever.

EDIT: Well I now know the origin of this commonly posted GIF.

Almost all the big wcw guys came after the invasion because they were still on WCW contracts. Guys like Hogan, Hall, Nash, Goldberg, Flair, etc basically got paid to sit at home for a year or more while turner paid them (usually several million dollars) and the wwe was too cheap to offer a couple of them better contracts to makethe invasion feel like a bigger deal. DDP was the only one who renegotiated and took less money to be in the invasion because he thought it would help his career poor guy.

 

[Sinatar]

Alright I just watched my absolute favorite segment of all 5 years of this stuff I've watched.

Price check on a jackass

This kind of stuff is what is missing today. I wonder how much they had to pay that market to trash it like that?

 

[Sinatar]

Well done with 2001.

The Good:
+ The PPV's: This felt like the strongest year for PPV quality, by and large they all delivered fun entertaining matches. Wrestlemania X-7 in particular was excellent, probably the best 'mania I've seen.
+ Stone Cold's heel turn: I definitely was sour on it at first, but it kinda grew on me. Stone Cold's dedication to the part and how well he played it was impressive. If anything, it was at least interesting.
+ Rob Van Dam: Definitely the stand out newcomer to WWE this year. He has great charisma and his in ring work is insanely good.
+ No Triple H: He tore his quad and was out for most of the year. That was lovely. (not him being injured, just him being... not there)

The Bad:
- The Invasion: The idea was great, but the fact that they didn't have any of WCW's biggest stars on contract made the whole thing feel pretty weak. They did their best by incorporating the solid ECW guys into it, but in the end the event didn't really work.
- What!?: Well I know where this fucking annoying shit comes from now, I can't believe that 16 years on crowds are still incessantly chanting this during peoples promos. Stone Cold himself used it to funny effect, but what it spawned was not worth the chuckles.
- Rollin: American Badass is still a thing. It's still dumb. Now he has fucking Limp Bizkit as the entrance theme which is ear cancer. FML.
- Stephanie McMahon: Consider this an Attitude Era lifetime achievement award of terribleness. I am so sick of her. Jesus. She is *horrendous* on the mic and wastes valuable air time that could be spent on literally anything else. 16 years later and she's still awful too so she learns absolutely nothing. Awful, awful, awful. Bonus awful points for comparing 9/11 to her family being investigated for steroid distribution.

Overall it was a solid year, even with the weak Invasion angle. Onward to 2002 which I'm to understand is the final year of the Attitude Era where it transitions into the Aggression Era.

 

[Striker]

^ All those things stand out today, in 2017.

Throw in a far less star studded roster, Hollywood writers and a commentary crew that makes you want to mute the volume.

Skip to March 17 1997 Raw and watch all the raws and PPVs from there.

I would start the Raw right after the Royal Rumble. You can see Shawn being a bitch and IYH: Final Four is a pretty good show. PPV's weren't always three fucking hours long.

 

[The Hamburglar]

how much were those pro wrestling getting paid during the attitude era and how much are the current crop getting paid?

 

[Sephzilla]

Stephanie McMahon was always awful. Then. Now. Forever.

The Invasion angle would have been amazing if Vince just waited longer until those bigger WCW stars were available.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

how much were those pro wrestling getting paid during the attitude era and how much are the current crop getting paid?

Enough to pay the gimmicks.

Guys like Austin and Rock made a ton on merchandise iirc.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

how much were those pro wrestling getting paid during the attitude era and how much are the current crop getting paid?

https://sites.google.com/site/chrisharrington/wcw_contracts

These are legit, WCW had to release them during a lawsuit.

 

[Sinatar]

Watching Royal Rumble 2002 right now, man the rumble match is so good so far. Undertaker going beast mode, eliminating like 8 people and then getting taken out by Maven of all people and then the beating he dished on Maven afterwards... too good.

 

[Sinatar]

Watching Wrestlemania X8 now and man this ref got crazy distance off this slide, like did he grease his jersey or something?

EDIT: Jesus the crowd is so hot for this Hogan vs. Rock match, this is crazyness.

Anyone know what the WWE network cut out of the bout? Around the middle Hogan pulls off his belt and starts to whip the Rock then there is a very obvious cut in the match on the network and Rock suddenly has the belt. What happened that needed editing?

 

[The Hamburglar]

They really hard to push ken shamrock in sprig 1997. He just doesn't but have the mic skills, very weak and repeats himself a lot.

 

[FyreWulff]

Watching Wrestlemania X8 now and man this ref got crazy distance off this slide, like did he grease his jersey or something?

EDIT: Jesus the crowd is so hot for this Hogan vs. Rock match, this is crazyness.

Anyone know what the WWE network cut out of the bout? Around the middle Hogan pulls off his belt and starts to whip the Rock then there is a very obvious cut in the match on the network and Rock suddenly has the belt. What happened that needed editing?

Sounds like a random stream glitch. All he did was whip him, then wrapped it around his hand for a punch, then Rock counters and gets the belt off the mat.

 

[Sinatar]

I'm trying to decide if Triple H dressing up as Kane and having sex with a corpse is worse then Chuck and Billy.

2002 has been... interesting.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

How about the angle where Sean Stasiak takes viagra and has to wrestle with a visible erection?

 

[Zach]

Turn back, you fools! Turn back!

 

[Strangelove77]

You can stop now, man.

 

[Host Samurai]

Watching Wrestlemania X8 now and man this ref got crazy distance off this slide, like did he grease his jersey or something?

I can't stop looking at this gif. Looks like it loops

 

[RecRoulette]

I'm trying to decide if Triple H dressing up as Kane and having sex with a corpse is worse then Chuck and Billy.

2002 has been... interesting.

Listening to the Lapsed Fan about the Triple H vs Kane thing makes that seem like the definite winner.

"I just fucked your brains out" and the fact that the video happened the night AFTER HHH beat Kane to unify the titles at No Mercy? Fucking lunacy. I kept thinking to myself there was no way that was true.

 

[Strangelove77]

Kind of a random question, but I'm curious-
What did everyone think of Undertaker and The Ministry when that was going on?

 

[Sinatar]

Kind of a random question, but I'm curious-
What did everyone think of Undertaker and The Ministry when that was going on?

I thought it was pretty cool, though the payoff made absolutely no sense.

 

[gutter_trash]

when exactly is the cut-off date of the Attitude Era?

 

[Avon Barksdale]

when exactly is the cut-off date of the Attitude Era?

April 1, 2001.

 

[Lothar]

when exactly is the cut-off date of the Attitude Era?

Late 2000 when Stephanie became head writer but there were remnants of the Attitude Era for a long time. Kurt Angle's skits with Austin in 2001 totally feels like Attitude Era. As is Rock and Austin singing together. Kurt Angle vs Shane. Perhaps even Austin and Booker T in a grocery store in 2002.

 

[Sinatar]

when exactly is the cut-off date of the Attitude Era?

The Ruthless Aggression Era officially starts in 2002 shortly after Austin leaves, Vince cuts a big promo about how he wants everyone to fight with Ruthless Aggression. Can't remember the exact date.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

when exactly is the cut-off date of the Attitude Era?

It's different for everyone. It depends on when you turned 19.

 

[Compbros]

Ruthless Aggression > Attitude Era.

 

[Lothar]

Ruthless Aggression > Attitude Era.

Ruthless Agression was such a terrible era it killed the wrestling boom.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Ruthless Agression was such a terrible era it killed the wrestling boom.

God damn vanilla midgets.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Ruthless Aggression > Attitude Era.

what years were that? Ruthless?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

what years were that? Ruthless?

Early 2000s.

What are all the agreed upon eras anyway?

Rock N Wrestling-New Generation-Attitude Era-Ruthless Aggression-Reality Era-Modern Bullshit?

 

[Syphon Filter]

Ruthless Agression was such a terrible era it killed the wrestling boom.

If it was early 2000 then that was awesome, how did it ruin anything?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

If it was early 2000 then that was awesome, how did it ruin anything?

Ratings went way down I believe, but they probably would have gone down regardless. The Attitude Era was like the Wii Sports of Pro Wrestling. You can't really recreate that, and the market conditions that allowed it to thrive no longer exist.

 

[Compbros]

Early 2000s.

What are all the agreed upon eras anyway?

Rock N Wrestling-New Generation-Attitude Era-Ruthless Aggression-Reality Era-Modern Bullshit?

I think "Golden Era" is part of it but I dunno. PG era is like 08-2013/4.

If it was early 2000 then that was awesome, how did it ruin anything?

Basically about 01/02-07/08. The problem was a lot of "wrestlers" were emphasized over "superstars".

 

[Lothar]

If it was early 2000 then that was awesome, how did it ruin anything?

Triple H. Evolution. Katie Vick. New ECW. 2006 DX. The Spirit Squad. Shudders at the thought.

Also Eddie Guerrero bulking himself up to monstrous size and then dying because of it.

This dark Era lasted from April 2002 to the Benoit murders I believe. Then it became the PG Era.

 

[Compbros]

Triple H. Evolution. Katie Vick. New ECW. 2006 DX. The Spirit Squad. Shudders at the thought.

Also Eddie Guerrero bulking himself up to monstrous size and then dying because of it.

This dark Era lasted from April 2002 to the Benoit murders I believe. Then it became the PG Era.

It also boasted the best singles runs of Edge and Christian, Kurt Angle, Benoit, Eddie, etc., one of the best Mania's in history along with a couple top 10 mania's, comedy acts (like Rock/Hurricane), the ability to compentently maintain two shows and make them both feel "flagship", it goes on. Sure, there was ridiculously terrible stuff but every era has that.

 

[gutter_trash]

Triple H. Evolution. Katie Vick. New ECW. 2006 DX. The Spirit Squad. Shudders at the thought.

Also Eddie Guerrero bulking himself up to monstrous size and then dying because of it.

This dark Era lasted from April 2002 to the Benoit murders I believe. Then it became the PG Era.

thanks for reminding me of the horror that is the Katie Vick story line

 

[Host Samurai]

Ruthless Aggression > Attitude Era.

Early Ruthless Era probably had the dopest roster in the history of the company.

Also ive always got the feeling that the Ruthless Aggression Era began once it becoame WWE.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

Ratings went way down I believe, but they probably would have gone down regardless. The Attitude Era was like the Wii Sports of Pro Wrestling. You can't really recreate that, and the market conditions that allowed it to thrive no longer exist.

Probably those fans grew up to realize that flipping off your boss and chugging a beer at work isn't a smart thing to do.

I prefer pre-attitude WWF myself. I enjoyed the fact that everyone had gimmicks.

 

[MC Safety]

Anyone who praises the Attitude era forgets it gave us these "innovations":

The 30-minute introductory speech to start every broadcast.

The idea the McMahons (or their relations) were the most interesting thing about the WWF.

 

[gutter_trash]

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Anyone who praises the Attitude era forgets it gave us these "innovations":

The 30-minute introductory speech to start every broadcast.

The idea the McMahons (or their relations) were the most interesting thing about the WWF.

I've been watching older Jim Crockett shows on the network and it's so refreshing how they just have an interview area and cut straight to the wrestlers doing their promos. No entrances or anything. The wrestlers also make their point in 5 mins or less and that's all they need. The promos are better too.

 

[jmdajr]

omg

 

[vatstep]

I just watched the Stone Cold vs Dude Love match from Over the Edge '98. Great match, plus the introductions for Patterson and Brisco were fucking hilarious. And then Undertaker chokeslamming them both through tables... lol

 

[pretty done]

OP have you tried NJPW? It's pretty good and I don't even know what most of the dudes are saying. Although it's cool because the dudes speaking English can say whatever they want. I usually just skip the first couple dumb 10 man tag match they have and their cards are all pretty solid.