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LTTTP: The Amazing Spiderman
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I should've edited it to:
Talia> Lizard
Talia had us all believing Bane was the real bad girl.
Doctor Decimate
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yep. The Lizard is even worse than a flunky.
Escape Goat
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Doctor Decimate
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of course it does. The Lizard was an abysmal, cliched villain with a plot so stupid that even Raimi would have laughed it out of his script.
captainnapalm
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Definitely a case of taking the good with the bad. The actual Spider-Man stuff is handled well. Peter Parker, though, is a pretty mystifying concoction. I'm not sure if it's the material or what Garfield did with the material, but yeah, he is not a very likeable character - kind of an overemotional douche who can't relate to people. That's not any Peter Parker I've ever come across. He is saved somewhat by Emma Stone, who is great.
I do like the look of the film and the slick editing.
Also, the Lizard could have looked more like the one in the comics. He's cgi, so why not do a faithful lizard?
The sequel needs a stronger script, and Peter Parker needs an overhaul. Maybe he'll grow up a bit.
I do like the look of the film and the slick editing.
Also, the Lizard could have looked more like the one in the comics. He's cgi, so why not do a faithful lizard?
The sequel needs a stronger script, and Peter Parker needs an overhaul. Maybe he'll grow up a bit.
nhlducks35
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I remember watching the crane scene and the music sounded so similar to Titanic for some reason...
maximum360
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I thoroughly hated it. It's just about as irritating as the cartoon. It feels like it was produced for pre-teens.
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
Banned
Probably the worst superhero movie I've ever seen. And I saw the first Captain America. And Elektra. And Fantastic Four.
Killing_Joke
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Thought it was decent at first, but now it's pure trash after my 2nd watch.
- Simple reboot. Completely fucked up the movie when they started taking out major plots at the last min. (peter's parents)
- Lizard's CG design is horrible
- Music sucked
- Crane scene
SM3 is better.
Denis leary was great though. Shame they killed him off.
- Simple reboot. Completely fucked up the movie when they started taking out major plots at the last min. (peter's parents)
- Lizard's CG design is horrible
- Music sucked
- Crane scene
SM3 is better.
Denis leary was great though. Shame they killed him off.
EliteArtist
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My problem with the reboot was that I knew it was just going to be okay to allow for a (hopefully) better 2nd movie. Judging by some of the set pics and videos out in the wild, it seems that the 2nd movie at least has some soul behind it.
Idle Fingers
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I enjoyed it. Emma Stone being in it certainly didn't hurt.
Probably one of the best bits from the score.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Maybe. But it was the first time for me that Spiderman actually felt like Spiderman. Wisecracking cocky little shit. And the first time he really moved like Spiderman. Some of the swinging was really well done (sooo much better than earlier movies) and many of his poses were pulled right from the comics.
I also enjoyed the entire cast, for the most part.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Not enough to make it good. Besides, as a person the character of Peter was an unlikeable prick.
Also, there's only one real swinging scene and it's not that good, certainly not as cinematic or cool as the ones SP2 (specially the intro to the train scene since it happens during the day).
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Deleted member 10571
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Pretty much a pointless discussion at this point, but I liked it far, far more than the first trilogy in almost every respect.
The music could have been better, Spidey needs a cool non-epic theme.
The music could have been better, Spidey needs a cool non-epic theme.
Etrian Oddity
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If you were a fan of the '90s Fox Kids cartoon, Andrew Garfield and TAS is an infinite jump forward from McGuire's girly portrayal.
10/10, would see again.
10/10, would see again.
Considering the story arc they're doing it was inevitable.
Escape Goat
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I think Peter being a dick was by design. Peter's defining moment has not happened yet.
Gwen's death really sets him in to the superhero life. Peter thinks he can have it all and breaks his promise to Gwen's dad, but hes going to pay a price.
the_sun_king
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BuggyDClown
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I dont see how anyone can like the original spiderman after seeing the new one.
ASM was leagues better, the OG Trilogy has not aged well at all, and after viewing ASM I don't know what I ever liked about those movies.
ASM was leagues better, the OG Trilogy has not aged well at all, and after viewing ASM I don't know what I ever liked about those movies.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
Man I just hope it's not Electro (or *shudders* Rhino) who does it.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
I liked it. Gwen>>>>>>>>>>>>Mary Jane. It was enjoyable. Amazing? Maybe not and maybe it was a bit.....standard. But nevertheless I enjoyed it a lot and to be honest I liked it more than the original trilogy. It could have used a better villain.
jonnyp
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Completely agree.
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
Banned
OG trilogy are far better directed, have better chemistry between actors, have vastly superior action sequences, a wonderful sense of humor, and actually have their own sense of style.
ASM was an indie romance flick mixed with High School Musical.
Yup. I would put a few >>> between SM2 & SM1 but it's as close to how I feel about SM movies so far.
If you can even remotely think this is true, then you really haven't seen many superhero movies.
Easily the best of the Spider-Man films . I don't understand why Gaf hates it so much. Everyone i know irl loved it. I'm a huge Spider-Man fan and have been reading the comics since i was five and this is the purest representation of the character so far. yeah i know its pretty much ultimate Spider-Man but it captures how he acts and fights as Spider-man much better than the Raimi films( and i'm a Raimi fan). Andrew garfield is much better Parker than Tobey maguire and has excellant chemistry with emma stone. Roll on ASM 2.
ASM felt very average. Not insultingly mediocre like Green Lantern. There's stuff I can respect about it, but Connors was wasted as a villain, and his plan made no sense and lacked in any kind of logical motivation for his character. Then there's the very forced "Peter's parents" plotline that is some really gross attempt at creating some kind of trilogy-wide through-line to follow, despite the fact that no one cares... And the post-credits scene really had me rolling my eyes.
It's almost impossible to look at without a huge level of cynicism regarding the very nature of its existence. Some of the moves it makes to hide the behind-the-scenes business realities just left a bad taste in my mouth throughout the whole movie.
I liked the cast alot, particularly Sheen. But the script was really lacking.
It's almost impossible to look at without a huge level of cynicism regarding the very nature of its existence. Some of the moves it makes to hide the behind-the-scenes business realities just left a bad taste in my mouth throughout the whole movie.
I liked the cast alot, particularly Sheen. But the script was really lacking.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
I agree that this is the purest representation of Spider-Man as far as check-list characteristics go. And while I have my grievances with Peter's lack of responsibility throughout the film, culminating in a lack of an arc for the character, I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the writers who I imagine want to slowly develop his understanding of his responsibility over the course of the trilogy.
However, what makes this movie unwatchable for me is not the protagonist (although it is admittedly difficult to reconcile with a Peter Parker whose arc doesn't end with maturity, learning, and responsibility), but rather everything else that determines a good film. It was butchered in the editing shop, its' pacing is atrocious, the logic and motivations behind the characters' decisions throughout are garbage, and the plot itself was a poor way to kick off a new film franchise.
Tying everything to Oscorp works in the Ultimate series because it's a monthly comic title which allowed the writers to raise plenty of interesting questions and scenarios over the course of many issues.
Doing the same in the film universe restricts the origin of the villains to "Oscorp Gene Splicing". It restricts where the writers can take the next couple of films and hampers their ability to create compelling character introductions with the Oscorp walls defining their creation.
My biggest problem with the movie is how we never actually see Connors transforming into the Lizard and the fact the Lizard is just CGI effect, it just didn't feel organic.
Don't worry it's Spider-Man's Web that actually does it.
Don't worry it's Spider-Man's Web that actually does it.
captainnapalm
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Does anyone else think they shouldn't kill off Gwen in this movie series? Of all the things you want to lose from the ASM, Emma Stone isn't exactly one of them. So what if the comics killed her off and Mary Jane came into the picture. They can just make her a kind of amalgam of Gwen and Mary Jane.
I also don't think having Stacy get killed the way she did was one of comics' finest moments, anyway. Too dark for Spider-Man, imo. And Peter Parker already had enough tragedy in his life before that. The comic series took a long time to recover from that, time the movies won't have.
I also don't think having Stacy get killed the way she did was one of comics' finest moments, anyway. Too dark for Spider-Man, imo. And Peter Parker already had enough tragedy in his life before that. The comic series took a long time to recover from that, time the movies won't have.
Bam. I liked ASM for what it's worth, but I enjoyed Rami's trilogy a lot more.
Nothing in ASM came close to the train fight in SM2.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
Favorite spiderman movie to date.
Spider-Man in this movie felt (to me) like Spider-Man should.
His movements, the way he fights, all of that was amazing and spot on.
I don't really care about the rest of the movie (except Emma Stone being hot) but all the Spider-Man stuff was my favorite by far and much better than the first trilogy.
His movements, the way he fights, all of that was amazing and spot on.
I don't really care about the rest of the movie (except Emma Stone being hot) but all the Spider-Man stuff was my favorite by far and much better than the first trilogy.
Also his voice and his wisecracks while in costume seemed 100% accurate to me. Whereas in the original trilogy it was just "Tobry Maguire's muffled voice"
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
Lol. Man I still don't see how they would show that scene in the film. It's way too morbid for the kids that watch these movies. I seriously doubt they would go with the web-snap.
Choppasmith
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Just saw the film myself for the first time.
It was "alright". There's definitely that sense that they were REALLY trying to go for the style and tone of the Marvel Studios films (as well as the Nolan Batman films) and yet they still didn't quite make it, the movie still feels so shallow and plain which I can only assume is from Sony caring more about a movie to make them money and keeping the license than making a solid, respectable film both the casual and the fans can enjoy. I mean there's still stuff I love from both Raimi's Spider-man and Amazing Spider-man (I still love the way Raimi's is done with the origin story and featuring JJ while I like Amazing's more wisecracking Spidey and less cheeziness. I was thinking how Marvel would be able to cherry pick the best stuff from both interpretations and make a better film.
I have to admit that last little scene, taking a page out of Marvel's Post Credit scenes, did make my sister and I go "Ooooooh?" with a desire to see the next film.
It was "alright". There's definitely that sense that they were REALLY trying to go for the style and tone of the Marvel Studios films (as well as the Nolan Batman films) and yet they still didn't quite make it, the movie still feels so shallow and plain which I can only assume is from Sony caring more about a movie to make them money and keeping the license than making a solid, respectable film both the casual and the fans can enjoy. I mean there's still stuff I love from both Raimi's Spider-man and Amazing Spider-man (I still love the way Raimi's is done with the origin story and featuring JJ while I like Amazing's more wisecracking Spidey and less cheeziness. I was thinking how Marvel would be able to cherry pick the best stuff from both interpretations and make a better film.
I have to admit that last little scene, taking a page out of Marvel's Post Credit scenes, did make my sister and I go "Ooooooh?" with a desire to see the next film.
jonnyp
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Doesn't take much IMHO.
I liked it more than the original trilogy of Spidey movies though.
I just watched this as well. The tone is all wrong in this movie. From the first frame it has this dour, mournful tone and I think Garfield plays the part all wrong. Uncle Ben's death is a fart in the wind compared to Raimi's version, the villain's motivation is all over the place and the ending makes Peter into an oath-breaking prick. The stone/Garfield scenes got a lot of praise but they just make me cringe. Garfield turned Peter into a whiny emo hipster ... Grimdark Spidey for the Twilght crowd. This movie blows. James Horner's score is garbage ... Only redeeming quality is the improved special FX/web slinging sequences
Movie is a soulless retread of the much better, more joyful, more charming original
I also hated that NYC is not even a thing in this movie. You can tell they did absolutely no location shooting because every establishing shot of the city is some generic skyline or birds eye of skyscrapers.
Movie is a soulless retread of the much better, more joyful, more charming original
I also hated that NYC is not even a thing in this movie. You can tell they did absolutely no location shooting because every establishing shot of the city is some generic skyline or birds eye of skyscrapers.
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