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Mad Men - Season 5 - Sundays on AMC

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thekillingjoker said:
Great episode. The final scene is just tear jerking stuff. I hate every time Joan is put in a disgusting situation. I also am so over this Lane story line. I don't get why he had to steal 50 grand (why not only the 10k he would of needed to cover his tax issues?) and I hate that it's going to come back to bite them in the ass. He's easily one of my least favorite characters and has been since day one. I even prefer Pete over him. If anyone is going to sink the firm to save himself, it should be him.
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He borrowed 50k so he could justify a 10k bonus for himself.
 
i_am_ben said:
Sure if you ignore all the terrible aspects of Don. He did after all fire Sal for not pimping himself out to a client.
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Agreed. Don's angst about Joan's decision was more about his own neuroses, than any affinity to being "one of the good ones." The Dick Whitman inside him still remembers a prostitute mother, and he will always connect his father's selfish fear in tough circumstances with his own desired, oppositional workplace identity. Moreover, in the midst of a marriage where he cannot find the control he pathologically craves, he wanted to take control of his own destiny in the one place he's always been sure of himself, and bring in the account himself; Joan, doing what she did, ruined the surety of that place for him.
 
Tim the Wiz said:
Agreed. Don's angst about Joan's decision was more about his own neuroses, than any affinity to being "one of the good ones." The Dick Whitman inside him still remembers a prostitute mother, and he will always connect his father's selfish fear in tough circumstances with his own desired, oppositional workplace identity. Moreover, in the midst of a marriage where he cannot find the control he pathologically craves, he wanted to take control of his own destiny in the one place he's always been sure of himself, and bring in the account himself; Joan, doing what she did, ruined the surety of that place for him.
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It's like we're watching a different show. I saw Don take a moral cue from his wife to be better than he might have been otherwise.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
He borrowed 50k so he could justify a 10k bonus for himself.
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Didn't they already shut the bonus idea before he forged the check? I know he got the credit approved but if he knew it wasn't going to work, why did he follow through? It just feels like such a strange move for the character that the writers just kind of threw in for suspense.
 
Why can't it be both? I think part of Don definitely wanted to win the account through pure creativity instead of "dirty" business, something that he's always seemed averse to btw, which helped spur him on to talk to Joan. I also think that he actually respects Joan a lot and doesn't want to see her reduce her own self worth by prostituting herself.
 
Dany M said:
My stomach sunk when we were shown that it was a 'flashback' and Peggy leaving almost madee my teary eyed.

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Someone needs to make one when Peggy leaves
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I almost lost it but the last scene made me happy for her. Peggy is one of my favorite female characters on tv.
 
I'd accept them writing Peggy out of the show, but I don't think it's very likely. She is Mad Men, in a lot ways.
 
I love watching the mental gymnastics people go through to justify their belief that Don is an out and out monster. Guy's an asshole but he's by no means irredeemable.
 
I say this without hyperbole, but a Mad Men without Peggy is almost like a Mad Men without Don. I'm really wondering what happens next.
 
Someone needs to gif that walk as Don and crew are going past another agency's group on the way to make their pitch. dat swag
 
I can't be the only one who thought of Don's "I will spend the rest of my life trying to hire you" from the S3 finale during the final scene here. This definitely isn't the last we'll see of Peggy.
 
Fantastic episode, so tense and emotional. Managed to make me feel amazed, disgusted, sad and happy. Let's see where this will take us, I definitely don't like not having Peggy around. Also, fucking Pete.
 
i don't know how to feel at the ending. i'm happy for peggy as it's a great place for my fav character to go but i love watching her and don and hope her screen-time isn't cut down by no longer at SCDP

that episode was really really good. the total toe-curling sliminess of pete's initial propositiom was so hard to watch, god he's a shit, but the joan stuff turned into total tragedy, especially with the little editing trick with don's visit. i thought the show justified (in show logic, not morality ofc) the partners decision with how each character has been struggling this season. then don and peggy at the end was perfect and i'm still loving how megan's character interplays with don. did think cutting between joan and the guy and the pitch was too on the nose though, and i wish the lane storyline wasn't there.

episode 11 already :( i don't want this season to end.
 
vaelic said:
any reason they wrote betty out of the show? it seems strange as she was such a key role in past seasons
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She had a baby around the time they started shooting if I remember correctly. So she literally had extra weight at the time, and she's a new mother. I imagine she'll be more involved next season.
 
If this is it for Peggy it would seriously suck. I think she is a very close second to Don on the show. She is Don in female form, except she still had the drive and ability to kick ass when she was needed(That pitch on the speaker). Im not a huge fan of Ginsberg, but he sorta made Peggy irrelevant. Hes doing what Peggy used to and does it in Dons face, like Peggy used to. Don may not like him, but he does great work in his own weird way.

Peggy did everything behind the scenes which Don never saw. Peggy wasnt a huge part of the successes this season that Don was a part of(Jaguar/Heinz/That shoe company). Don took Peggy for granted, just like everyone takes Don for granted when they need an idea or a shot of brilliance. She had some respect but not everyone gave her the respect she deserved. And in terms of character progression, this is really what she should have done. I think its awesome, but fucking sucks at the same time.

WE NEED MORE PEGGY!
 
Fantastic episode. My heart sank when I realized the Joan/Don scene
was non-linear.

Between this and Game of Thrones I think TV hit some kind of zenith last night.
 
The entire CGC subplot from the past two seasons has been a setup for Peggy's exit from SCDP.

Why would anyone think Weiner is cutting Peggy out of the show?
 
Anyone else notice a difference in the way Don thought of Joan vs Sal
having to whore themselves out for a client?
 
vaelic said:
any reason they wrote betty out of the show? it seems strange as she was such a key role in past seasons
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The show follows the agency and their home lives. Betty is no longer a regular part of Don's life. It's the same reason we see his kids a lot less.
 
Jeels said:
Anyone else notice a difference in the way Don thought of Joan vs Sal
having to whore themselves out for a client?
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They were both completely different situations.

Sal had no choice. It was their biggest client and keeping the firm afloat. There was not one situation in that whole ordeal that Sal could have come out unscathed. Plus only Don and Sal knew of what happened. No one else did. What could Don do in that situation?

Fire Sal keep lucky stike
Keep Sal lose Lucky strike

Joan had a choice. It was a prestige client and would have helped the company but they will still stay afloat. If she didnt do it, you think the partners would have held it against her? Other than probably Pete. Its a client they never had and had a good chance of getting through good work.

And Don did tell Sal to essentially keep it under wraps and cover himself on the plane flight home. I think Dons words to Sal were to "limit his exposure"
 
But hey, what do I know.

SEITZ said:
Something Sgt. Peppers-level major is happening on Mad Men this year, a seismic creative flowering comparable to season one of The Sopranos and season three of Breaking Bad. Every season five episode is a creative experiment that draws on the cumulative power of every episode that preceded it. We're nearing the point where everything on Mad Men seems to connect to everything else — not just from episode to episode within season five, but backwards, as if the new episodes are somehow unfurling tendrils into the past, fusing the whole run of Mad Men into a fiendishly intricate mega-story. It's just extraordinary.
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Mrs Mouse and I were just discussing... if that was Peggy's exit, that could very well have been made into a series finale. The show starts with Peggy joining the firm and could just have easily ended last night, on her sweet note of success with the firm's sour move with Joan as counterpoint.
 
Socreges said:
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Game of Thrones is one show where Mad Men is certainly better.

As masturbatory and overblown as that quote was, Seitz did stop short of saying Mad Men was better (or even as good) as those shows. But that was certainly very high praise.
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It's sad that people getting excited about things is seen as "masturbatory and overblown".

I'm so glad my brain lets me be happy and in love with so many things and never makes it stop short for the sake of some kind of weird propriety.

Ahhh, it's so awesome being me.
 
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