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[Aselith]

Do her a favor. Spare her the 2nd and 3rd Matrix films.

Reloaded has some good shit. Come on now. Dat freeway chase.

 

[Strangelove77]

Let her judge Reloaded for herself, but don't put her through the pain of the 3rd one.

 

[Dead Man Typing]

Reloaded is better than Matrix though.

I agree with this. Well, I agreed with when I last saw the films about 10 years ago, so maybe my tastes have changed but I remember enjoying the action and craziness of the second film a lot more than the first.

 

[hymanator]

Are there any good fan edits of the sequels that anyone can recommend?

 

[AlmostMilk]

I am trying to do this with my girlfriend. She said she has only ever been able to make it 15 minutes in before giving up on it.

 

[Window]

I'm still a big fan of Reloaded. It definitely has issues but the action -- CGI during the Burly Brawl aside -- is still fantastic. The highway chase and the Merovingian mansion fight are stunning. It still has momentum and a sense of fun, and some interesting new characters/ideas.

Revolutions is harder to defend. All the stuff within the Matrix feels like a rehash with an unexciting gimmick, like the fight on the ceiling, and the big final fight in the rain has really disappointing combat/choreography compared to every other major fight in the series (aside from that brief bit in the building where they're silhouettes). All the stuff outside of the Matrix should be a side-dish, not the main course. That's not why we go to see a Matrix film. Still think they should have went with Zion being a Matrix within a Matrix, with the whole thing being an endless un-escapable loop that always ends with the one resetting everything.

Would have drawn even stronger comparisons to The Thirteenth Floor but besides that I never really liked the idea of adding yet another inescapable loop.

 

[Oersted]

To be honest, the "make girlfriend/date sit trough typical boy film" thing is quite obnoxious.

I bet we get shitload of these again when Rogue One comes along.

 

[cacildo]

Is it possible to reboot the franchise?

Because really, the first one is probably my favorite movie ever. I think to us that were 16-20 at the time of release... it was something almost too incredible too believe.

I really wish they could get it together and make a good sequel. Maybe even the zion is inside the matrix thing would be even more fun now.

 

[InaudibleWhispa]

Would have drawn even stronger comparisons to The Thirteenth Floor but besides that I never really liked the die of adding yet another inescapable loop.

It certainly wouldn't be original, but I'd take a more pessimistic, cynical ending over a Jesus sacrifice bringing about peace. I don't buy for a second that the machines would offer freedom (for what reason?). There'll never be peace between man and machine in the universe they created.

 

[old manatee]

The second one is awesome I hate you guys.

 

[Oersted]

It certainly wouldn't be original, but I'd take a more pessimistic, cynical ending over a Jesus sacrifice bringing about peace. I don't buy for a second that the machines would offer freedom (for what reason?). There'll never be peace between man and machine in the universe they created.

There isn't. At the end,

Spoiler

Neo inserts his code into the source code like his predecessors.

What follows is Matrix Online aka the new round of war.

 

[cchum]

There isn't. At the end,

Spoiler

Neo inserts his code into his code into the source like his predecessors.

What follows is Matrix Online aka the new round of war.

I always took it as the

Spoiler

Architect lying about letting them loose.

via Imgflip Meme Generator

 

[Friggz]

Everyone I meet has to watch Oldboy with me at some point. It's great because most people don't know it yet and I have yet to find someone who didn't enjoy it at some level.

Have fun with 2 and 3! They are still enjoyable, if mindless, action movies, especially if you watch it with someone in the same mindset.

oldboy is a fantastic idea, ill have my wife watch it tonight and respond to this thread tomorrow.

 

[Lord Frieza]

Rewatched Matrix one week ago...unpopular opinion: but even the first film didn't age well for me.

I thought it was a good action movie back then when it came out, but I'm kinda angry now that this whole trilogy is a wasted opportunity. It's a series that tries to come accross deep and clever but is just another stupid painting by numbers production. Matrix is one of those movies that marks a huge turning point for Hollywood...not for good tho.

The two sequels just functioned as some kind of confirmation for me, for all the little things that did not work for me in the first one. The best moment in the whole trilogy is the Morpheus and Neo dialogue, after that everything falls apart. By the time we've reached that Zion rave sequence, I was done with the series.

Some of the things that bugged me:
- Messiah concept
- Keanu Reaves was miscast as Neo
- stupid and unbelievable romance and cheesy "love conquers all" concept
- everything outside the Matrix was cringe-worthy
- the 90s urban subculture coolness became pretty outdated very fast. No more leather and shades pls.
- If I had to do a summary on the trilogy it would go something like this:
Cool dialogue between Neo and Morpheus. Matrix explained...lots of action...pseudo esoteric-techno bs...rinse and repeat...Neo stands in front of Machine god...the end
- Hollywood happy-end pathos: mankind will survive against the odds

Here's how the movie could've been a masterpiece.
1. One movie
2. Explore the question "how did the machines take over?"
3. Plot twist at the end "mankind did it voluntary"
4. End

Oh, get out of here with that shit.

 

[ClayKavalier]

I watched the first movie and Reloaded recently, first time in years, and I didn't think it held up at all. Cheesy, wooden acting all around, cornball stylistic decisions (my personal favorite being the totally out of place bowling noises when Neo throws one Smith into a big group of them during the burly brawl), and Neo feels like he was written to appeal to awkward teens who enjoy fantasizing about how one day they'll have their comeuppance and prove to the world how great they are.

Some of the action scenes are still fun to watch and it definitely has its own unique look and feel, but I'm not into anyway. Loved the movies when they came out when I was in middle/ high school.

 

[scitek]

Reloaded is better than Matrix though.

Reloaded is pretty good. It gets too much shit because of what a mess the third one turned out to be.

 

[Fitts]

Great! Now she'll understand the Matrix reference in Kung Pow.

 

[RustyNails]

Reloaded is definitely watchable, though not up to the genius of the first. Revolutions is straight ass.

 

[Timedog]

2 is the best Matrix film.

 

[InaudibleWhispa]

There isn't. At the end,

Spoiler

Neo inserts his code into his code into the source like his predecessors.

Yeah and then

Spoiler

the Oracle asks the Architect "What about the ones that want out?" to which he replies "Obviously they will be freed" *cue pretty orchestral flourish and the sun rising on the oracles smile*. The expanded fiction outside of the movies doesn't impact my opinion on how the movie's story ended

 

[Saganator]

2nd isn't THAT bad. The 3rd can be skipped, just not worth the disappointment.

 

[scitek]

The only reason to watch the sequels is to experience the most epic ball fumble of what should have been a sure thing since the Star Wars prequels.

It's really more a case of the Wachowskis being fucking weird. And caring more about using a huge stage to prove it than play it safe.

 

[Shaanyboi]

I'm amazed anyone is defending those trashfire sequels.

 

[Aselith]

I'm amazed anyone is defending those trashfire sequels.

3 is actually garbage but 2 falls victim to the "not as good therefore garbage" attitude. Reloaded is actually the best Underworld movie and a good action movie, it's just not on the Matrix's level

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

3 is actually garbage but 2 falls victim to the "not as good therefore garbage" attitude. Reloaded is actually the best Underworld movie and a good action movie, it's just not on the Matrix's level

The second one also accomplishes nothing, from a story point of view (as someone pointed out earlier). Other than Agent Forehead entering the real world and the Architect yammering out of his beard for twenty minutes, there are no major actions in Reloaded that move the overarching story of the trilogy forward. Our heroes end the movie in much the same places as they start, and nothing meaningful is accomplished.

It's basically a fetch quest and some cheesy exposition wrapped in leather tights and set ablaze to the sound of thumping techno music.

 

[Aselith]

The second one also accomplishes nothing, from a story point of view (as someone pointed out earlier). Other than Agent Forehead entering the real world and the Architect yammering out of his beard for twenty minutes, there are no major actions in Reloaded that move the overarching story of the trilogy forward. Our heroes end the movie in much the same places as they start, and nothing meaningful is accomplished.

It's basically a fetch quest and some cheesy exposition wrapped in leather tights and set ablaze to the sound of thumping techno music.

It's certainly story light but it's basically there to develop the world of the Matrix and reestablish Smith as a legit threat to Neo. I think it was intended as the action part of the two films with the third being the story part.

Unfortunately, the story is garbage so the third is garbage. On the plus side, the action is awesome so the second is awesome.

One thing about Reloaded is that basically all of the world building was in support of their cross-media strategy with videogames and animes and shit that was going on at the time. Very little of it was actually relevant to Revolutions which is especially what makes it feel empty in hindsight.

 

[Glass]

Reminds me of when I showed my ex season 1 of Heroes. She loved it, and I told her that's why we're not going to watch anymore. I'd advise the same here.

 

[vatstep]

I'm not really a fan of the sequels, but someone who's only just seen the first could probably find something to like in them. It was much different for those of us who were hyped out of our minds for years only to be let down when they finally came out.

I still say Reloaded is decent, though. Revolutions just sucks.

 

[Slermy]

Watch the Animatrix, skip 2 and 3.

This is the correct answer.

 

[Stinkles]

Don't make her watch 2 and 3.

Imagine they made a Highlander sequel.

 

[Shaanyboi]

3 is actually garbage but 2 falls victim to the "not as good therefore garbage" attitude. Reloaded is actually the best Underworld movie and a good action movie, it's just not on the Matrix's level

Except the Matrix told a pretty good story with some good action that supported the story. It had something resembling an arc. It had characters that resembled, y'know, characters. There was some tension, people with some fairly human reactions to the things happening around them.

Reloaded is a bunch of glorified set-pieces (half of which have aged terribly due to the awful cg that looked out of place back then) strung together with a nonsensical plot and terrible characters. There is nothing worth giving a shit about, nothing to latch onto. If all a movie has going for it is acouple okay action setpieces that I can just go watch on Youtube, then it's a bad movie. Literally the only interesting scene in that whole movie is the end with Neo and the drone.

 

[ShaoranWright]

Your GF should watch The Raid 1 and 2, Dredd and Fury Road. She'll have so much adrenaline after that she'll jump out of the window and kick everybody on the street.

 

[TheVampire]

Reloaded is great

 

[Rembrandt]

a bunch of artsy bullshit, but not the matrix considering everything after the first one is drastically downhill.

i watched salo with a girl and we were both so weirded out and disgusted that we turned it off less than halfway through. a small but important part of our relationship.

 

[InfiniteBento]

I got Horse Detective to finally watch the Matrix on independence day.

Up until that point he never understood my reference of "there is no spoon"

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

Your GF should watch The Raid 1 and 2, Dredd and Fury Road. She'll have so much adrenaline after that she'll jump out of the window and kick everybody on the street.

I finally convinced my wife to watch Fury Road with me recently. She made it through maybe fifteen minutes before asking if we could shut it off. It was "too corny" for her.

It sucks not having similar tastes in entertainment.

 

[NastyBook]

That's one of the funniest shots in the entire Burly Brawl. The other is the bowling ball hitting pins sound effect we get when Neo tosses a Smith into the rest of the Smiths.

Reloaded is awesome. GAF is unnecessarily harsh on it. Let her watch that one, too, OP. Burly Brawl, Mansion Fight, and Highway Chase are all god-tier.

 

[MiniBossBattle]

Most vivid moment watching that movie was when my girlfriend at the time laughed out loud in the theatre when Keanu stopped the agents bullets. She ruined the cool for me in high school.
Rewatching the others about two years ago confirmed that she was right to make fun of the series even though I was super entertained.

 

[rokkerkory]

Reloaded is great

damn forgot about this scene

gonna watch it tonight with the gf fellas!

 

[Aselith]

damn forgot about this scene

gonna watch it tonight with the gf fellas!

 

[Apt101]

Reloaded is better than Matrix though.

You are a mad man.

But cool OP. It's nice to see people today can still get their minds blown from that film. It blew my mind, got me into computer science. It feels really weird to write this, but that movie is probably the reason I have had a comfortable living this past decade-ish.

 

[Raiden1018]

I never watched the Matrix

 

[Fug Slanderson]

I've had my gf watch the following:

Terminator 2 - she thought it was ok
Aliens - I think she fell asleep
Rainman - she loved it
Spirited Away - she really liked it
Dexter - she loved it
Breaking Bad - she loved it

 

[BobLoblaw]

You chose poorly. Should've told her there was no such thing as the Matrix 2 and 3.

 

[AntraxSuicide]

To be honest? I say watch Reloaded anyway because it gets a lot more hate than it deserves, in my view. I thought it was a decent movie. Nothing on the first Matrix, but it was decent - even good at times.

That said, Revelations can burn. BURN. IN. THE. FUCKING. RUBBLE. For all intents and purposes, there was not a third Matrix film.

Reloaded should only really get crap for the ending, which completely destroys the logic that the series had previously introduced. That's a big flaw, but since it's only kind of tacked on at the end, the runtime is mostly used well.

Revelations, however, uses the runtime almost exclusively on shit based on the end of Reloaded, so avoid it like the plague.

edit:

Except the Matrix told a pretty good story with some good action that supported the story. It had something resembling an arc. It had characters that resembled, y'know, characters. There was some tension, people with some fairly human reactions to the things happening around them.

Reloaded is a bunch of glorified set-pieces (half of which have aged terribly due to the awful cg that looked out of place back then) strung together with a nonsensical plot and terrible characters. There is nothing worth giving a shit about, nothing to latch onto. If all a movie has going for it is acouple okay action setpieces that I can just go watch on Youtube, then it's a bad movie. Literally the only interesting scene in that whole movie is the end with Neo and the drone.

I'm the exact opposite. That ending scene with Neo and the drone ruins the film, and subsequently ruins the 3rd movie before it came out. It makes zero sense, and amounts to an intentional plothole.

 

[Stinkles]

Mrs Stinkles makes me watch all the MerchantI Ivory "A Precious Victorian Lady's Attic Diary" movies but falls asleep instantly when I try to get her to watch a Stinkles movie.

Also she has literally never seen Star Wars and claims to be a brat pack fan but hasn't seen Breakfast Club.

Reloaded should only really get crap for the ending, which completely destroys the logic that the series had previously introduced. That's a big flaw, but since it's only kind of tacked on at the end, the runtime is mostly used well.

Revelations, however, uses the runtime almost exclusively on shit based on the end of Reloaded, so avoid it like the plague.

Revelations? Both of you? Is this some European thing or just a typo?

 

[LiK]

Hey now, you haven't lived until you've watched the Highway Chase

nah, the best part is the club dance scene in the caves.

 

[JayTapp]

Hey now, you haven't lived until you've watched the Highway Chase

I've rewatched it recently and the bad CG is terrible. Makes everything look so cheap, it sucks the tension out of everything.

 

[Stinkles]

nah, the best part is the club dance scene in the caves.

Oh you!

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

I would say the sequels redeeming qualities is that they still managed to bring to the screen a few visual scenes that have never been done before, so there was visual innovation almost as much as in the first film (which is also the case for Speed Racer). I'm glad we got to see what it looks like to have have a man traveling at multiple times the speed of sound through the middle of a city or what it looks like to fight hundreds of thousands of squid robots at once. Too bad about the skeleton supporting these set pieces was nothing in comparison with the predecessor.