Magic: the Gathering |OT13| Ixalan - Port to Sideboard

Red's artifact removal at the time was 4 cmc and 5 cmc. It was awful.
You'd think they'd have known better, seeing as they were in the process of printing a fucking artifact block, but for some reason WotC's collect brains seem to dribble out of their ears every time they do that.
 
You'd think they'd have known better, seeing as they were in the process of printing a fucking artifact block, but for some reason WotC's collect brains seem to dribble out of their ears every time they do that.
I assume the thinking was "we don't want to hose our set within the set," which is stupid. The other thing that made copter so amazing is the utter lack of graveyard hate, meaning anything you looted was still relevant in regards to delerium.
 
I assume the thinking was "we don't want to hose our set within the set," which is stupid. The other thing that made copter so amazing is the utter lack of graveyard hate, meaning anything you looted was still relevant in regards to delerium.
It sure as hell is stupid because I remember plenty of decent to good artifact hate cards in original Mirrodin and that still managed to be busted as all hell.
 
Free da copter , its fine now =) this is a sad rotation for me, the great white planeswalker will be leaving us shortly. Gideon youll be missed bro , youve been a friend, an ally for all =)

And i lose avacyn too =( sad times
 
Copter isn't fine there was removal for copter at the time, people played a bunch of natural state and whatever crappy artfiact removal they could find and it still ended up being a 4-of in next to every deck that goes mildly agressive. It would do the same again, yes artifact removal got better but copter is just as powerful as before.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Free da copter , its fine now =) this is a sad rotation for me, the great white planeswalker will be leaving us shortly. Gideon youll be missed bro , youve been a friend, an ally for all =)

And i lose avacyn too =( sad times
Printing overpowered 4 and 5 drops at white is kind of a WOTC staple so I wouldn't worry about it. Gideon, Ally of Zendikar was bullshit anyways.
 
Bringing Copter back would be almost as big a mistake as printing it into a removal-less format in the first place. It's just too efficient at what it does.
 
Lol you all missed the smiley face on copter =) its just great in the type of decks i like to play.

I am interested in a mini hatenears style deck, we have a 2 drop that stops enter the battlefield triggers and a 3 drop authority of the councils on a stick.

I have no hope of naya dinosaur ever becoming standard playable.

Generally id love a super aggressive g/w deck to be possible, my favorite deck of all time was g/w aggro. Soldier of the pantheon into fleecemane lion into loxodon smiter into advent of the wurm/ajani caller of the pride to finish.

Ill settle for midrangy gw tokens style too =)
 
Let's unban Marvel too, it should be fine now that Emrakul and Ulamog will both be gone!

Let's not unban any of this mess. God, I wish we could just rotate Kaladesh block instead of Innistrad 2.0.
 
Would Smugglers Copter really be that bad with Abrade and Fatal Push in the format?
I would put it, if it was never printed untill Hour of Devastation, on the power level of Collected Company. A card that lasted it's entire life in standard, but I'm pretty sure Sam Stoddard said that they would have banned under their current approach to bannings
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I have a good feeling about Ixalan limited. The big guys in this set cost a lot because they're apparently expecting treasure to power them out in limited. It might mean the dinos are bad for constructed, but it is what it is. I just notice that all the lower CMC guys seem underpowered for their size unless you build around them and the dinos are all like 7 CMC. They must be going for Treasure - Battlecruiser or something.
 

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It is ruthlessly efficient. Basically every top deck was playing four copies
When copter was printed, there was no constructed-playable card that could kill an artifact, and only Harnessed Lightning as a constructed-playable kill spell for it.
Thanks.



Also, is the Commander 2017 a limited run thing. I just tried to prepay the second store shipment at my local store and they said no more a getting shipped.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Thanks.



Also, is the Commander 2017 a limited run thing. I just tried to prepay the second store shipment at my local store and they said no more a getting shipped.
Yes and no. They're limited in the sense that they just print a bunch of them once and that's it. They're not a "limited" product in that it's nothing like a Masters product where supply is intentionally scarce. They try to print them to demand, they just don't sit around waiting to print more if that turns out to be not enough. The caveat there is that one of the decks will always be far more desirable than the others, which makes it appear as though the product is actually super limited when that isn't the intent. They just don't print way more Atraxa decks than the others.
 
Ah, so buy if you can. Also, could you explain the Masters thing, as there's a new one coming up, right?
Iconic Masters is coming out in November and Masters 25 in march. They are sets of reprints for people who play the modern format. They are black bordered but can't be played in standard. The packs are also expensive at 9.99 a piece.
 
Iconic Masters is coming out in November and Masters 25 in march. They are sets of reprints for people who play the modern format. They are black bordered but can't be played in standard. The packs are also expensive at 9.99 a piece.
Wait, have they said all the cards in them will be Modern legal? I had sort of assumed they'd be closer to Eternal Masters in that some cards would pre-Modern cards.
 
Iconic Masters is coming out in November and Masters 25 in march. They are sets of reprints for people who play the modern format. They are black bordered but can't be played in standard. The packs are also expensive at 9.99 a piece.
Just to clarify: Modern Masters is for Modern. Eternal Masters has cards that stretch into formats that go back farther than Legacy, like Vintage, Legacy and Pauper. No one knows what Iconic Masters will house just yet, but I'd be shocked if it were Modern-specific as a focus.
 

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
Interesting that we got the new block format and yet I think that except for Aether Revolt all the two set formats are superior to the single set ones
 
I have a good feeling about Ixalan limited. The big guys in this set cost a lot because they're apparently expecting treasure to power them out in limited. It might mean the dinos are bad for constructed, but it is what it is. I just notice that all the lower CMC guys seem underpowered for their size unless you build around them and the dinos are all like 7 CMC. They must be going for Treasure - Battlecruiser or something.
the mechanics don't lend themselves to a well-balanced format

i'm not saying it won't be fun, but i wouldn't be surprised if a lot more games were decided by the die roll

when too much of the value comes from attacking (eg. raid) and non-etb abilities (eg. making treasure), it becomes difficult for the player on the draw to do anything

enrage might also be a problem if they put it on aggressive troops instead of defensive ones

if treasure/explore is everywhere, then there might not even be a mana consistency advantage for the person going 2nd

exert from the last block had this problem too (although it got a little better in hour of devastation)

but does drafting the 3rd pack from the previous set improve that format more than fleshing out the small set more?
it can fix some formats where some colors are better in the big set and others are better in the small set
 
Honor-Worn Shaku seems much better and possibly playable with the new walkers compared to Untaidake. A 3 mana rock that tap for 2 or even 3 sometimes is better than a pseudo tomb that can cast only 10 spells in your deck and come into play tapped. The floor on Honor-Worn Shaku is much higher, and the ceiling is higher as well.

Buy as many as you can.
 
Bomb uncommon ahoy:



Deathless Ancient 4BB
Creature — Vampire Knight (Uncommon)
Flying
Tap three untapped Vampires you control: Return Deathless Ancient from your graveyard to your hand.
4/4
 
Some pirates:


Deadeye Pillagers 3UB
Creature - Human Pirate
Deadeye Pillagers gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control
2UB: Create a colorless artifact token named Treasure with "tap, sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool"
3/3
5GW
Creature - Dinasour (Uncommon)
Each creature you controll assigns combat damage equal to its toughness rather than its power.
4/6
Bomb uncommon ahoy:



Deathless Ancient 4BB
Creature — Vampire Knight (Uncommon)
Flying
Tap three untapped Vampires you control: Return Deathless Ancient from your graveyard to your hand.
4/4
These cards all seem more like Rares than uncommons
 
Pretty much locked in my list for the GP:

4 Servant of the Conduit
4 Longtusk Cub
4 Rogue Refiner
4 Whirler Virtuoso
3 Bristling Hydra
2 Glorybringer
2 Scarab God

2 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
1 Skysovereign, Consul Flagship

4 Attune with Aether
4 Harnessed Lightning
2 Magma Spray
2 Abrade

4 Aether Hub
4 Botanical Sanctum
2 Sheltered Thicket
2 Spirebluff Canal
1 Blooming Marsh
1 Game Trail
1 Lumbering Falls
3 Forest
2 Mountain
1 Island
1 Swamp

//Sideboard

2 Tireless Tracker
4 Negate
1 Abrade
2 Radiant Flames
2 Confiscation Coup
1 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
1 Chandra, Flamecaller
1 Aethersphere Harvester
1 Skysovereign, Consul Flagship
I've been casting Rogue Refiners since October 2016 and I just can't unsleeve them.
 
Given all that happened yesterday, I don't think we spent enough time talking about State of Design 2017.
* Surprised to see that fabricate was popular enough to be listed as a successful mechanic.
* I've brought up before that I'm fine with energy because most cards work well enough on their own, but the article brings up the issue that no matter what, they get better with other energy cards, which still causes parasitism.
* MaRo's claim that vehicles worked best with other vehicles doesn't seem right, given that even Mardu Vehicles ended up only using one vehicle type.
* Completely agreed about revolt. The effect was too disconnected from the flavor, especially given that it wasn't in red at all. Plus, it just seemed like a weird mechanic to center a set on.
* Interesting that the lack of synergy between mechanics was a deliberate choice for Amonkhet.
* I agree that cycling was an odd fit, given that only one card actually helped with the other graveyard mechanics--that bird with cycling and embalm.
* Afflict was weird, in that it didn't really feel like it said anything about the creature, and it often didn't feel like it really mattered.
 

aidan

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* Completely agreed about revolt. The effect was too disconnected from the flavor, especially given that it wasn't in red at all. Plus, it just seemed like a weird mechanic to center a set on.
Strictly for the purposes of reprints, I'm disappointed that Fatal Push was printed with Revolt, rather than being templated like Life Goes On. Even reprinting it in a Core or Masters set means that they'll have to revisit Revolt, which they're unlikely to do.