Is spell snare even played? Haven't seen it in a while.
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Magic: the Gathering |OT13| Ixalan - Port to Sideboard
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Is spell snare even played? Haven't seen it in a while.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Not if everyone plays meta decks but that begs the question why you're playing merfolk with its terrible GDS MU.
I played against control in 2 out of 5 rounds today.
And there go the control goalposts
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
That's not a new stance from me. I've never counted bolt snap bolt decks as control.
The ability to win with tempo as much as drawing out the game makes them sort of a hybrid.
The finals you mentioned where decided by landing a geist IIRC.
This should be pretty close to that Grixis Tokens deck that was shown during round 2 on the SCG stream
https://deckstats.net/decks/90385/820092-grixis-tokens?share_key=tcinXHfmgFO81UAl
https://deckstats.net/decks/90385/820092-grixis-tokens?share_key=tcinXHfmgFO81UAl
Joe Molotov
Member
Yes, it can still be untapped by other spells and effects.
Thanks!
charlequin
Banned
People just hate watching limited. It's possible there are ways to crack this nut but if so, WotC hasn't found them and may not necessarily be in a spot where they could plausibly apply them anyway.
charlequin
Banned
I'm very sympathetic to Firemind's position that being a top player should take into account your skill in draft, which is very hard to do with limited as a GP-only affair. That said: I literally never watch the limited rounds in any PT, so.
jakonovski
Member
My life is now complete; I successfully attacked with Phage in a commander game. Didn't win overall though, but who cares!
I'm not a fan of formats where you can just be randomly hosed by other people around you. (see: me not being a fan of multiplayer) There's of course skill, but the variance involved there is a different type relative to either Sealed or Constructed.
Or even team draft, where half the point is to screw the people sitting next to you.
If everyone screws each other just a little bit, you can 3-0 with a bad deck. You just need to adapt and switch.I'm not a fan of formats where you can just be randomly hosed by other people around you. (see: me not being a fan of multiplayer) There's of course skill, but the variance involved there is a different type relative to either Sealed or Constructed.
Or even team draft, where half the point is to screw the people sitting next to you.
Draft is a more skill intensive format than Standard and arguing otherwise makes you wrong.
It emphasizes different skills. Not "more" skills.
I would be all for a Modern/Standard PT that axed limited.
jakonovski
Member
Ixalan draft is like what am I even doing. Amonkhet block was way easier for my brain.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
watching a draft is exciting, watching limited decks being played is the most boring shit.
Seriously wouldn't mind if they just prerecorded all the drafts then analysed them for 8 hours instead and made the audience guess the records and such.
Heck I'd be fine if record didn't matter and instead a jury consisting of LSV, Huey Jennsen, Patrick Chapin and Patrick Sullivan rated their drafting skills, form and landing in a demeaning manner.
Seriously wouldn't mind if they just prerecorded all the drafts then analysed them for 8 hours instead and made the audience guess the records and such.
Heck I'd be fine if record didn't matter and instead a jury consisting of LSV, Huey Jennsen, Patrick Chapin and Patrick Sullivan rated their drafting skills, form and landing in a demeaning manner.
I think draft is the most comparable to Texas Hold em since you all share the same 'deck', which I agree requires different skills like you said.
I just don't agree that draft is where you can get randomly hosed when Modern has a bunch of hosers that completely screws a particular deck if you happen to draw it.
It's much, much easier to conceptualize what a gameplan is for a constructed deck is relative to a limited one as a viewer.
While Limited does indeed emphasize different skills, if you have to compare it to Constructed, I do believe that it's more skill intensive overall. Getting better at Limited just means you're getting better at the game in general. But with Constructed, you could grind away and become a Legacy Storm master. That doesn't necessarily mean you'd be crushing it with other decks. Ultimately, it's kinda pointless to argue about. Magic is hard, no matter what format you play.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
because wizards sucks at providing you information, they finally after years managed to procure decklists to be displayed on the screen for limited decks. They don't have a tracking tool that can tell you what cards players have in hand, or what's on the battlefield but it's a baby step.
In constructed you see a couple cards and you already have a significant notion how the deck looks.
That's not it. It's that limited decks are pretty rando, while you can easily grasp what a constructed deck is doing. What you see as a downside is a big upside for viewers.
Zhi's IBC PT win is the epitome of what you can reward in Constructed that you can't in limited.
out of my buy a box promo
it was meant to be
I pretty much only use these lands now, so I absolutely HAVE to get the foils. They look amazing!
I pretty much exclusively play limited so I enjoy the limited portions of the GP/PTs here is what I want.
- chaos drafts! Let's get real janky. Chaos drafts using all standard sets
- cube drafts at PTs
- for team GP/PTs drop the Legacy person and make it a draft player.
- for sealed, film the teams opening their pools and building their decks. I want to see the deliberation
Now you can all tell me how wrong I am.
- chaos drafts! Let's get real janky. Chaos drafts using all standard sets
- cube drafts at PTs
- for team GP/PTs drop the Legacy person and make it a draft player.
- for sealed, film the teams opening their pools and building their decks. I want to see the deliberation
Now you can all tell me how wrong I am.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
limited decks are only random when you don't know the contents. You don't know the outs a player is playing towards, you don't know the strategy of the deck.
You're thrown into the unknown w/o resources to get a clearer picture.
Casters scratching their heads trying to identify cards in hand has no upside.
Also they should really document sideboarding, that's a really undervalued skill and gets barely any mention.
SigmasonicX
Member
Rebecca Guay used to be a frequent Magic artist, but she's made her name as a "proper" artist and is far too expensive for normal card commissions. She's only used for special art like this.
Plus, she's a very divisive artist, because some thought her art wasn't cool or manly enough, but her fans really liked her art. This is referenced in this Unhinged card.
SigmasonicX
Member
Tarmogoat as a 0/1 goat token is really brilliant.
What are the chances of that list being posted? Has to be top 32 or do all of the lists get posted after tomorrow's break to top 8?
SigmasonicX
Member
Tezzeret emblem is live.
Pretty fun first day of the new standard. Lots of new cards improving old decks (Azcanta, Hostsge Taker) and a few new neat janky decks (Grixis Amulet). Approach is 9-0.
Edit: I also can't believe someone brought a version of Marionette deck we have been joking about for a few weeks here.
Edit: I also can't believe someone brought a version of Marionette deck we have been joking about for a few weeks here.
Imperfected
Member
It's kind of hilarious that the Grixis Improvise deck is honestly just a slightly bigger brother of the Tezzerret Planeswalker Deck.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I forgot this Tezzeret existed, looked decent but he kinda had the nuts. Every card of his traded up while decandeo was flooding.
Emblems too strong reprint Karn.
Emblems too strong reprint Karn.
I mean he ended the day 7-1-1 so obviously the deck is doing something right. Still have another day to go so we'll see how it does but it looks interesting.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Even if he takes it all it's not particularly telling, Dovin Baan made the finals of a pro tour and won an SCG open.
Rebecca Guay used to be a frequent Magic artist, but she's made her name as a "proper" artist and is far too expensive for normal card commissions. She's only used for special art like this.
Plus, she's a very divisive artist, because some thought her art wasn't cool or manly enough, but her fans really liked her art. This is referenced in this Unhinged card.
Shit, that's awesome. Her cards are expensive, too.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Rebecca Guay used to be a frequent Magic artist, but she's made her name as a "proper" artist and is far too expensive for normal card commissions. She's only used for special art like this.
Plus, she's a very divisive artist, because some thought her art wasn't cool or manly enough, but her fans really liked her art. This is referenced in this Unhinged card.
I don't think she is actually a big time gallery artist and refuses to do Magic.
I think it costs too much to afford to commission her for anything.
Marionette Affinity (basically) is no joke. It's basically the fixed version of what Affinity used to do.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You might (not) be surprised just how many players absolutely despise draft. The fact it is legitimately hard as hell is probably why, but I know dozens of players and the only one that enjoys both constructed and draft is me.