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[Gamerloid]

That's not sexist.

-says it isn't sexist
-doesn't say why it isn't

Arguments. How do they work?

 

[Gotdatmoney]

There was no way he would be found guilty in a situation like this, no way that isn't a load of bull. Guy filmed it, the continued provocation and eventual physical assualt, and he used reasonable force in self defence. Simple as that. If I were in that position, I'd much rather defend myself than risk brain damage because of some nutter and her stiletto. It's not pride, it's your health. He did make an attempt to leave the scene, which is when she attacked him.

You say this like crazier shit hasn't happened. Even if he was found guilty on a load of bull you think that would honestly matter? You say this because it turned out well, if it didn't he now has a criminal record and has drastically reduced his ability to support his girlfriend and kid. Don't be stubborn about the point I'm making. I'm not crucifying him as a bad person, I'm giving advice that would protect him instead of having him have to worry that he might be detained and significantly hurt his future. Again, fuck your pride, a criminal records will hurt you way more.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

Don't hit giants. You should show restraint when defending yourself, however you can't go around expecting people to show restraint.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Yes!

Think about the recent cat calling thread compared to this. Feminism success here but in there? Fucking feminists telling me I can't say hi to an attractive woman.

i cant say i agree, but at least i understand what youre trying to say.

if you want to convince anyone in this thread of what youre asserting you might want to try to find a single poster in this thread saying something along the lines of "women should get hit in the same situations men would hit other men", and find the same person in that cat calling thread saying something like "women shouldnt get pissy about me saying hi to them on the street". until you do that, you can't really claim there's a double standard. currently, i stand as one counter example. i think the slap was fine from a karmic justice and gender equality viewpoint AND i think it's silly to expect women to automatically assume that every hi they receive on the street is perfectly innocent.

 

[SliceSabre]

Would it have been cool if he just took the hit and waved it off. Yeah maybe. Do I think badly of him for slapping a woman who hit him upside the head with her high-heeled shoes? Nope.

If you hit somebody you should be prepared for them to hit you back, regardless of the gender of either party involved.

 

[Cømet]

Don't feed the troll folks.

You say this like crazier shit hasn't happened. Even if he was found guilty on a load of bull you think that would honestly matter? You say this because it turned out well, if it didn't he now has a criminal record and has drastically reduced his ability to support his girlfriend and kid. Don't be stubborn about the point I'm making. I'm not crucifying him as a bad person, I'm giving advice that would protect him instead of having him have to worry that he might be detained and significantly hurt his future. Again, fuck your pride, a criminal records will hurt you way more.

Ah, well, I live in the UK Our justice system seems to work fairly well, better than yours anyway lol Over here, that is genuinely what I believe and expect would happen.

It's a shame that you have to expect anything else on your side.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

That was a damn good slap. She's lucky it wasn't a fist and hr didn't knock her teeth out.

And people claiming he didn't show restraint....

 

[badb0y]

She was wrong. He was more wrong for that show of force. Her crew was even more wrong for trying to pile on him.

At what point would you condone fighting back? I mean if stiletto to the head isn't enough, I am not sure what is...

 

[-COOLIO-]

Because she's smaller. Starting fights in general is also bad, yes.

do you feel like there would be more karmic justice with or without the slap having happened?

 

[SilentRacoon]

Counting the last thread and this one? Wow, I have to go through threads to call out people and fight you all about it, typing for hours when I can simply leave a general message and get my point across?

I love that I have to do all that when you could easily read the threads yourself. Maybe I have a life? Maybe I worked today? Who knows! Jfc, you're being so overbearing over a petty generalization.

Yes I can also do that, it's called spreading BS.

 

[Amentallica]

The burden of responsibility is on the attacker in such situations. You cannot and should not transfer this responsibility to the person being attacked and say, "he or she should have stayed calm," or "he or she should have known their own strength." If you're the first person in the situation to physically attack someone, you certainly have more time to think about what you're doing, not the person being attacked and induced into a fight-or-flight response.

That's my stance on it.

 

[riskVSreward]

i cant say i agree, but at least i understand what youre trying to say.

if you want to convince anyone in this thread of what youre asserting you might want to try to find a single poster in this thread saying something along the lines of "women should get hit in the same situations men would hit other men", and find the same person in that cat calling thread saying something like "women shouldnt get pissy about me saying hi to them on the street". until you do that, you can't really claim there's a double standard. currently, i stand as one counter example. i think the slap was fine from a karmic justice and gender equality viewpoint AND i think it's silly to expect women to automatically assume that every hi they receive on the street is perfectly innocent.

You're being entirely too rational right now.

 

[J10]

At what point would you condone fighting back? I mean if stiletto to the head isn't enough, I am not sure what is...

The shoe to the head didn't look nearly as bad as the the slap to me. It doesn't appear she was strong enough to actually hurt him.

 

[Skeyser]

She was wrong. He was more wrong for that show of force. Her crew was even more wrong for trying to pile on him.

What show of force? She was still standing and fighting, he obviously controlled himself well.

If he wanted she'd be in a coma.

 

[riskVSreward]

The shoe to the head didn't look nearly as bad as the the slap to me. It doesn't appear she was strong enough to actually hurt him.

Your argument sucks. There's no quantitative level of force that you have to assess and then precisely match when someone is attacking you.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

You say this like crazier shit hasn't happened. Even if he was found guilty on a load of bull you think that would honestly matter? You say this because it turned out well, if it didn't he now has a criminal record and has drastically reduced his ability to support his girlfriend and kid. Don't be stubborn about the point I'm making. I'm not crucifying him as a bad person, I'm giving advice that would protect him instead of having him have to worry that he might be detained and significantly hurt his future. Again, fuck your pride, a criminal records will hurt you way more.

This is also truth. If I was in his situation I'd just walk away and it would BURN my soul to do so but getting arrested and having to deal with court would just fucking suck.

With that said I don't blame him for hitting her back and believe he was 100% justified but I'm talking about the way things should be. Not the way they normally are.

Had a friend get hit and HE called the cops on her (in his apartment) yet he ended up getting arrested and having to lawyer up and spend 5,000$ and community service and got a restraining order on him. Next time a different girl hit him he just walked away. Didn't even bother calling the cops.

 

[badb0y]

The shoe to the head didn't look nearly as bad as the the slap to me. It doesn't appear she was strong enough to actually hurt him.

Have you taken a stiletto to the head before? I have, it's pretty painful...it's not like a slap to the head. The boots shes holding have a nice weight to them too and if you swing that to the head and it makes contact...it hurts.

 

[J10]

do you feel like there would be more karmic justice with or without the slap having happened?

I don't believe in karma.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

The shoe to the head didn't look nearly as bad as the the slap to me. It doesn't appear she was strong enough to actually hurt him.

Looks are irrelevant. If you fear for your safety you're entitled to self defense. The fact that he won the genetic lottery doesn't mean he has to come built with some anti fear mechanism.

 

[Cømet]

This is also truth. If I was in his situation I'd just walk away and it would BURN my soul to do so but getting arrested and having to deal with court would just fucking suck.

With that said I don't blame him for hitting her back and believe he was 100% justified but I'm talking about the way things should be. Not the way they normally are.

Had a friend get hit and HE called the cops on her (in his apartment) yet he ended up getting arrested and having to lawyer up and spend 5,000$ and community service and got a restraining order on him. Next time a different girl hit him he just walked away. Didn't even bother calling the cops.

America is such a messed up place.

 

[Red Arremer]

Again, fuck your pride, a criminal records will hurt you way more.

Just for the record, it was not his pride that caused him to slap the woman. If you check the start of the video, he was laughing at her verbal abuse. She provoked him to the point where he insulted her as a bitch. That was the point where she hit him, with a stiletto, a sincerely dangerous weapon, in the back of the head. Now, obviously it wasn't hard enough to fracture his skull, but she could've hit again, maybe harder if he refused to react, and perhaps causing actually serious injury.

He was getting provoked, and then physically attacked. He was assaulted with a lethal weapon that he couldn't even see at that point. There was absolutely no pride involved from the dude's side.

 

[Gouty]

Counting the last thread and this one? Wow, I have to go through threads to call out people and fight you all about it, typing for hours when I can simply leave a general message and get my point across?

I love that I have to do all that when you could easily read the threads yourself. Maybe I have a life? Maybe I worked today? Who knows! Jfc, you're being so overbearing over a petty generalization.

So instead of coming up with a single instance on this forum to back up your statement, you think I should do the digging for you?

Do I have that right?

 

[Ryne]

Have you taken a stiletto to the head before? I have, it's pretty painful...it's not like a slap to the head. The boots shes holding have a nice weight to them too and if you swing that to the head and it makes contact...it hurts.

He's big, he can take it.

 

[B_Spooky13]

The shoe to the head didn't look nearly as bad as the the slap to me. It doesn't appear she was strong enough to actually hurt him.

See now you are getting into "what if's"

If someone comes at you with a weapon and actually hits you with that could actually stab you? You try to end it.

 

[J10]

Your argument sucks. There's no quantitative level of force that you have to assess and then precisely match when someone is attacking you.

You should be a cop.

 

[DBT85]

The shoe to the head didn't look nearly as bad as the the slap to me. It doesn't appear she was strong enough to actually hurt him.

A stiletto to the temple, eye or various other parts of the head will fuck you right up with very little force

 

[riskVSreward]

You should be a cop.

Thanks for acknowledging my argument, so poignant.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Your argument sucks. There's no quantitative level of force that you have to assess and then precisely match when someone is attacking you.

Nah, there kinda is. It's called "proportional response" or something. Which is why he slapper her and didn't punch her then kick her in the head repeatedly when she was down.

The former is proportional. The latter isn't.

 

[Soule]

The shoe to the head didn't look nearly as bad as the the slap to me. It doesn't appear she was strong enough to actually hurt him.

So you gotta wait til they do serious damage before you can defend yourself? There's a group of them there antagonizing him, how does he know that if he doesn't defend himself the whole group won't join in attacking him and it's too late because he's been seriously hurt and has a whole group beating on him.

That's a pretty extreme scenario but he's under duress being insulted by a crowd and now they're becoming abusive, he doesn't get to call a time out to think on the situation and weigh up how unreasonable these guys are and the likelihood of things going completely out of control.

I gotta say I feel like you have unrealistic expectations of larger people, I'm not a big guy but I can absolutely see how he would become fearful and lash out even though he's the bigger person here.

 

[badb0y]

He's big, he can take it.

I take it this is sarcasm, yes?

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Don't feed the troll folks.



Ah, well, I live in the UK Our justice system seems to work fairly well, better than yours anyway lol Over here, that is genuinely what I believe and expect would happen.

It's a shame that you have to expect anything else on your side.

I live in Canada but it's not even that I feel the justice system is massively flawed. It's that it has to be flawed one time for your life to be fucked up. That's why I advise walking away even though I personally would have wanted to reciprocate like he did. I don't think this is a bad guy, I think this is a guy that got provoked and reacted and "luckily" didn't suffer massive consequences.

 

[esms]

"There's no physical ramifications for being an asshole when you're a woman. Do you know how much of a dick I would be if it was socially unacceptable to kick the shit out of me? Dude, I would be trashing everybody I saw. See some big muscle-bound guy. [Bodybuilder:] "Eh--I go to the fucking gym." Slap his protein shake out of his hand [and say], "Hey--go fuck yourself!" But I can't do that. Every guy has a line--and if I cross the line, I get blasted in the face. ... But with women, there's no line. ...They could do stuff worthy of a suplex, and they'll just stand right next to it. ...They'll light your clothes on fire. They're like, "Tada! I did that shit. Oh yeah! And I was so proud of my work, I stuck around to see your reaction. I invited a couple of friends to heckle you as you try to stomp it out with your bare feet."

- Bill Burr, Why Do I Do This?

 

[Jigolo]

If this wasn't recorded she would've probably gotten the benefit of the doubt. gg

 

[Cømet]

He's big, he can take it.

Please be joking.

EDIT: Thank god

I live in Canada but it's not even that I feel the justice system is massively flawed. It's that it has to be flawed one time for your life to be fucked up. That's why I advise walking away even though I personally would have wanted to reciprocate like he did. I don't think this is a bad guy, I think this is a guy that got provoked and reacted and "luckily" didn't suffer massive consequences.

True, but then you can say that of literally everything. What sort of life is that? I stand by what I said before, I'd rather risk the law being on crack that day than let myself be attacked. You know what the law would do if you were found guilty, you don't know how far these freaks would go.

 

[-COOLIO-]

I don't believe in karma.

by karmic justice i mean fairness.

do you feel like things are more "fair", with, or without the slap having happened?

 

[Ryne]

I take it this is sarcasm, yes?

Us big guys just gotta suck it up.

Spoiler

Yes it is sarcasm

 

[B_Spooky13]

"There's no physical ramifications for being an asshole when you're a woman. Do you know how much of a dick I would be if it was socially unacceptable to kick the shit out of me? Dude, I would be trashing everybody I saw. See some big muscle-bound guy. [Bodybuilder:] "Eh--I go to the fucking gym." Slap his protein shake out of his hand [and say], "Hey--go fuck yourself!" But I can't do that. Every guy has a line--and if I cross the line, I get blasted in the face. ... But with women, there's no line. ...They could do stuff worthy of a suplex, and they'll just stand right next to it. ...They'll light your clothes on fire. They're like, "Tada! I did that shit. Oh yeah! And I was so proud of my work, I stuck around to see your reaction. I invited a couple of friends to heckle you as you try to stomp it out with your bare feet."

- Bill Burr, Why Do I Do This?

hahahahahaha

 

[ishibear]

I'm sorry, our conversation can't continue until you elaborate on what exactly I accused you of.

Still lumping me in with "you guys" which ironically validates the very post you're responding to.

You accused me of defending her. I'm not. I originally was, But I rewatched the vid and changed my opinion. Ever since I entered here, my goal was never to defend her. She's a jerk.

-says it isn't sexist
-doesn't say why it isn't

Arguments. How do they work?

You don't have one so you're one to talk.

i cant say i agree, but at least i understand what youre trying to say.

if you want to convince anyone in this thread of what youre asserting you might want to try to find a single poster in this thread saying something along the lines of "women should get hit in the same situations men would hit other men", and find the same person in that cat calling thread saying something like "women shouldnt get pissy about me saying hi to them on the street". until you do that, you can't really claim there's a double standard. currently, i stand as one counter example. i think the slap was fine from a karmic justice and gender equality viewpoint AND i think it's silly to expect women to automatically assume that every hi they receive on the street is perfectly innocent.

I don't have to do that. It's all over this thread and the last one. I'll be quoting all night if I do, arguing with everyone. I didn't come here to argue. I want answer why this is somehow more important and understood than the other aspects of feminism. That's all. Yet here I am being attacked because I used a generalization. Jesus, if anything, I've been proven right. No one wants to talk about this shit because it's too deep. Eventually, it will have to come to light and be discussed.

I don't agree that he should hit anyone that much smaller than him but I do think women deserve to be held accountable for their actions.

Don't feed the troll folks.

If you have something to say, say it. It's easy to call me a troll and say don't feed me, but here you are making passive aggressive statements about me.

 

[riskVSreward]

Nah, there kinda is. It's called "proportional response" or something. Which is why he slapper her and didn't punch her then kick her in the head repeatedly when she was down.

The former is proportional. The latter isn't.

No, that's not what I'm saying. Obviously if you want to extrapolate this to "well what if he stabbed her" then fine, you're right. My point is, he slapped her because she hit him with a shoe and this other guy is acting like he should've done a lesser response. Like slap her but with only two fingers? Maybe push her but not enough to actually take her off her feet? It's a stupid fucking distinction and in the context of the conversation between he and I, my comment is perfectly valid.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Just for the record, it was not his pride that caused him to slap the woman. If you check the start of the video, he was laughing at her verbal abuse. She provoked him to the point where he insulted her as a bitch. That was the point where she hit him, with a stiletto, a sincerely dangerous weapon, in the back of the head. Now, obviously it wasn't hard enough to fracture his skull, but she could've hit again, maybe harder if he refused to react, and perhaps causing actually serious injury.

He was getting provoked, and then physically attacked. He was assaulted with a lethal weapon that he couldn't even see at that point. There was absolutely no pride involved from the dude's side.

I'm not saying fuck your pride, don't hit her. I don't mean it like he was too proud to walk away, I mean it as "it's happened, I need to leave it alone, not escalate because it's better for ME if I don't". I understand she could have continued but frankly we just dunno. He got self defense so it was fine but what "if" he didn't. You always need to think ahead in times like this especially if you are going to get physical.

 

[Amentallica]

You accused me of defending her. I'm not. I originally was, But I rewatched the vid and changed my opinion. Ever since I entered here, my goal was never to defend her. She's a jerk.



You don't have one so you're one to talk.



I don't have to do that. It's all over this thread and the last one. I'll be quoting all night if I do, arguing with everyone. I didn't come here to argue. I want answer why this is somehow more important and understood than the other aspects of feminism. That's all. Yet here I am being attacked because I used a generalization. Jesus, if anything, I've been proven right. No one wants to talk about this shit because it's too deep. Eventually, it will have to come to light and be discussed.

I don't agree that he should hit anyone that much smaller than him but I do think women deserve to be held accountable for their actions.



If you have something to say, say it. It's easy to call me a troll and say don't feed me, but here you are making passive aggressive statements about me.

I think all of your arguments should've been used to start its own thread. Also, I personally don't mind that you generalized, because I see where you're coming from, but you've spent so much time responding to these people that you could have at least provided one example in order to quench their thirst, because otherwise your argument of it taking too long to do makes no sense when you're still here arguing with them.

 

[ishibear]

I think all of your arguments should've been used to start its own thread. Also, I personally don't mind that you generalized, because I see where you're coming from, but you've spent so much time responding to these people that you could have at least provided one example in order to quench their thirst, because otherwise your argument of it taking too long to do makes no sense when you're still here arguing with them.

You know you're absolutely right haha

I think I am better off making a thread about it now. Not tonight though. Too hungry and tired.

 

[J10]

So you gotta wait til they do serious damage before you can defend yourself? There's a group of them there antagonizing him, how does he know that if he doesn't defend himself the whole group won't join in attacking him and it's too late because he's been seriously hurt and has a whole group beating on him.

That's a pretty extreme scenario but he's under duress being insulted by a crowd and now they're becoming abusive, he doesn't get to call a time out to think on the situation and weigh up how unreasonable these guys are and the likelihood of things going completely out of control.

I gotta say I feel like you have unrealistic expectations of larger people, I'm not a big guy but I can absolutely see how he would become fearful and lash out even though he's the bigger person here.

I think the slap was too much. Maybe a shove would have been more understandable. He probably would have got jumped then too, but at least it would have been a more appropriate show of force on his part.

by karmic justice i mean fairness.

do you feel like things are more "fair", with, or without the slap having happened?

The slap was excessive. She flew back like five feet. He barely flinched when she hit him.

 

[Amentallica]

You know you're absolutely right haha

I think I am better off making a thread about it now. Not tonight though. Too hungry and tired.

Get some pizza and rest.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

No, that's not what I'm saying. Obviously if you want to extrapolate this to "well what if he stabbed her" then fine, you're right. My point is, he slapped her because she hit him with a shoe and this other guy is acting like he should've done a lesser response. Like slap her but with only two fingers? Maybe push her but not enough to actually take her off her feet? It's a stupid fucking distinction and in the context of the conversation between he and I, my comment is perfectly valid.

Gotcha. Can't say I disagree. I have no problem with his actions. They just started hounding him for his jacket. Lord knows what they'd say to me if I wore cargo shorts and flip flops. I'm a big dude too. I guess I should just shut up and take my abuse.

 

[nateeasy]

What the fuck

 

[Face it Tiger..]

You accused me of defending her. I'm not. I originally was, But I rewatched the vid and changed my opinion. Ever since I entered here, my goal was never to defend her. She's a jerk.

She isn't just a jerk, she physically assaulted him with a pair of heels.

 

[theSlacker]

If this wasn't recorded she would've probably gotten the benefit of the doubt. gg

I believe she was. He was in jail for 4 days before they saw the video and he was released I think.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Please be joking.

EDIT: Thank god




True, but then you can say that of literally everything. What sort of life is that? I stand by what I said before, I'd rather risk the law being on crack that day than let myself be attacked. You know what the law would do if you were found guilty, you don't know how far these freaks would go.

I don't escalate situations to where violence is an outcome. Not because I'm scared, I'm a 6"6' black guy in a predominantly white area lol, people are more scared of me than I am of them

I'm not scared to throw a punch but it's a last resort, not a middle resort because I can probably justify it. I don't walk around in fear because I never ever wanna defend myself. That's a large exaggeration. But this is a huge guy hitting a small girl, your odds are not evenly stacked frankly regardless of the context and that's the whole reason this guy was scared for his livelihood in the first place.

 

[D6AMIA6N]

I bet the music started playing twice as fast after that slap, she took a lot of damage

I lold