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[ishibear]

Get some pizza and rest.

Will do!

She isn't just a jerk, she physically assaulted him with a pair of heels.

Agreed. I hope he charges her for assault. She was completely out of control and that shit was uncalled for.

 

[Skux]

The sound! So crisp.

 

[Cømet]

If you have something to say, say it. It's easy to call me a troll and say don't feed me, but here you are making passive aggressive statements about me.

Like you've been doing with your sweeping generalisations of every man on neogaf, right? I'm avoiding dealing with you at all because your responses are lacking and digging for argument and I don't want anything to do with it, but I'd rather not see your horrible posts pop up constantly as others propel them through the thread. If you want to have a reasoned, sensible discussion on the problems of equality and how different people behave differently, create a thread and let the people come. Don't just jump into a thread and start insinuating people advocate what they obviously don't.

Is it not possible, considering the large number of people "dog piling" you, that what you said is inflammatory? You might not have meant it that way, but we can't read minds through the internet and sweeping generalisations never go down well. That you continue to repost the same stuff, well...

 

[JDSN]

I think the slap was too much. Maybe a shove would have been more understandable. He probably would have got jumped then too, but at least it would have been a more appropriate show of force on his part.

Shove can lead to her failing and then to head injury, just can essentially make a case against any kind of response, which is why self defense cases have a lot of wiggle room.

 

[nicanica]

A man should never have to strike a woman, but I do agree this guy was stretched to his absolute limit in response. She struck him and kept talking trying to instigate a heated response with "Wha'd you call me!? Wha'd you call me?!".

I don't take the NY subway, but I've been in enough school yard fights to know that if someone of any gender, age or size gets hit while walking away with a verbal taunt like that, the rule of the jungle is going to be laid down.

I say, this dude's options were super limited. If he turns around and answers, shes gonna keep taunting and very likely hit him to illicit a response she wants. He struck her once with an open hand, and didn't say shit or follow up.

This guy I can't say shit to. It was a tough situation, and his options sucked.

Also how is everyone overlooking that he's giving the white knight a backbreaker:

 

[Jobbs]

I'm surprised by the number of people applauding a man hitting a woman.

who is bigger?
was he in any physical danger?

I didn't think it was appropriate. I won't make a legal ruling, I agree it's legally a bit difficult to parse out since she did technically attack him first, but I absolutely wouldn't condone this or applaud it.

speaking for myself, there is nothing short of mortal danger of myself or someone else that would compel me to physically attack a woman. Being "dissed" or getting flailed at a little certainly wouldn't be enough.

 

[J10]

Shove can lead to her failing and then to head injury, just can essentially make a case against any kind of response, which is why self defense cases have a lot of wiggle room.

Yeah, I guess that's true.

 

[Red Arremer]

I'm not saying fuck your pride, don't hit her. I don't mean it like he was too proud to walk away, I mean it as "it's happened, I need to leave it alone, not escalate because it's better for ME if I don't". I understand she could have continued but frankly we just dunno. He got self defense so it was fine but what "if" he didn't. You always need to think ahead in times like this especially if you are going to get physical.

The thing is, we have the advantage of being able to rationalize this. If you get hit by a blunt weapon in the back of your head, you don't think about your criminal record, the first thought won't be something like "Geez, I am getting attacked by a woman, I probably just let her continue to hit me and potentially cause serious damage in order to keep my criminal record clean."
You react out of instinct, which is either fight back or flee. He fought back. And even though he could've easily floored her with a punch, he decided to just slap her on the cheek.

I'm surprised by the number of people applauding a man hitting a woman.

I think the people are applauding someone for not taking shit. I don't believe that it matters which gender the participants of this incident would've had.

was he in any physical danger?

Yes, he was. A stiletto is a lethal weapon, as pointed out by me and several other people in this thread.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

This is also truth. If I was in his situation I'd just walk away and it would BURN my soul to do so but getting arrested and having to deal with court would just fucking suck.

With that said I don't blame him for hitting her back and believe he was 100% justified but I'm talking about the way things should be. Not the way they normally are.

Had a friend get hit and HE called the cops on her (in his apartment) yet he ended up getting arrested and having to lawyer up and spend 5,000$ and community service and got a restraining order on him. Next time a different girl hit him he just walked away. Didn't even bother calling the cops.

This is the type of thing I talk about when I say things will not always pan out the way you want it to. I don't blame the dude either, people don't know how infuriating it is to be endlessly provoked on the basis that the provoker is safe from harm. Just gotta let some things go though.

Your friend was unlucky. I don't suggest that people who are victims of assault avoid calling the police but in domestic disputes the police are more likely to side with the female. That's just facts because most of the time men will be the aggressor. Before you act you should think about the possible outcomes.

 

[Loakum]

And plans on suing the city

Honestly, I was raised never to hit a woman ever, but after watching that video I would probably have done the same thing.

Spoiler

Does that make me a feminist or a misogynist? If it was a dude he slapped he probably wouldn't have been arrested.

psst...that "girl" got exactly what she deserved!

 

[Loakum]

I'm surprised by the number of people applauding a man hitting a woman.

who is bigger?
was he in any physical danger?

I didn't think it was appropriate. I won't make a legal ruling, I agree it's legally a bit difficult to parse out since she did technically attack him first, but I absolutely wouldn't condone this or applaud it.

speaking for myself, there is nothing short of mortal danger of myself or someone else that would compel me to physically attack a woman. Being "dissed" or getting flailed at a little certainly wouldn't be enough.

aw please. She repeatedly struck that guy, he had every right to defend himself! That slap was justified!

 

[ishibear]

Like you've been doing with your sweeping generalisations of every man on neogaf, right? I'm avoiding dealing with you at all because your responses are lacking and digging for argument and I don't want anything to do with it, but I'd rather not see your horrible posts pop up constantly as others propel them through the thread. If you want to have a reasoned, sensible discussion on the problems of equality and how different people behave differently, create a thread and let the people come. Don't just jump into a thread and start insinuating people advocate what they obviously don't.

Is it not possible, considering the large number of people "dog piling" you, that what you said is inflammatory? You might not have meant it that way, but we can't read minds through the internet and sweeping generalisations never go down well. That you continue to repost the same stuff, well...

It's pretty obvious why I was dog piled but I'm not going into it because it's pointless and really, that's what I expected. Not a big deal though.

My generalization shouldn't have pissed you guys off. It really shouldn't have. That was such a petty thing to get mad about.

 

[E92 M3]

I'm surprised by the number of people applauding a man hitting a woman.

who is bigger?
was he in any physical danger?

I didn't think it was appropriate. I won't make a legal ruling, I agree it's legally a bit difficult to parse out since she did technically attack him first, but I absolutely wouldn't condone this or applaud it.

speaking for myself, there is nothing short of mortal danger of myself or someone else that would compel me to physically attack a woman. Being "dissed" or getting flailed at a little certainly wouldn't be enough.

She should've kept her big mouth shut and not him with a dangerous weapon. A nice slap should calm her down and teach a lesson. He wasn't doing anything while she was yapping, but reacted when a physical threat was present.

 

[Jobbs]

aw please. She repeatedly struck that guy, he had every right to defend himself! That slap was justified!

there were ways out of that situation other than slapping her across the friggin room. justified? I don't know. right? no, I don't think so.

 

[Gluka]

The article posted earlier about the stiletto murder described an x-ray of one as looking like an ice hammer. Can't say I disagree.

 

[Cømet]

It's pretty obvious why I was dog piled but I'm not going into it because it's pointless and really, that's what I expected. Not a big deal though.

My generalization shouldn't have pissed you guys off. It really shouldn't have. That was such a petty thing to get mad about.

[/this isn't a two-way street]

But yes, let's not get into it. I'm going to bed now anyway, good night.

 

[ChainedMaster]

I'm surprised by the number of people applauding a man hitting a woman.

who is bigger?
was he in any physical danger?

I didn't think it was appropriate. I won't make a legal ruling, I agree it's legally a bit difficult to parse out since she did technically attack him first, but I absolutely wouldn't condone this or applaud it.

speaking for myself, there is nothing short of mortal danger of myself or someone else that would compel me to physically attack a woman. Being "dissed" or getting flailed at a little certainly wouldn't be enough.

They're applauding the man because maybe, just maybe she won't go around assaulting people anymore. The whole "men should never hit women" mentality is bull

 

[-COOLIO-]

I'm surprised by the number of people applauding a man hitting a woman.

would it have been better if he slapped a man instead?

 

[Gnome]

What a bunch of foolish nonsense.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

The thing is, we have the advantage of being able to rationalize this. If you get hit by a blunt weapon in the back of your head, you don't think about your criminal record, the first thought won't be something like "Geez, I am getting attacked by a woman, I probably just let her continue to hit me and potentially cause serious damage in order to keep my criminal record clean."
You react out of instinct, which is either fight back or flee. He fought back. And even though he could've easily floored her with a punch, he decided to just slap her on the cheek.

I understand fight or flight but that is not a response that is the same for anyone nor is it something that someone can't work to restrain or focus themselves towards flight instead of fight. When you pick fight, you open yourself up to a whole bunch of other issues. That's why people suggest you react to danger with flight unless you physically cannot. I'm not out here to say dude is a bad person, quite the opposite, I'm saying that at the point where he slapped he, he could have walked away. I'm not buying dude thought he was in his dying moments and his animal instinct to activate soul slap ability kicked in. I really don't think that's accurate. Doesn't mean he was wrong to reciprocate though, I don't think he was.

Also, just the fact that he went for a slap instead of a punch already confirms brothaman was fully aware of what he was doing. I fear for my life so I slapped her. . . what?

 

[Red Arremer]

there were ways out of that situation other than slapping her across the friggin room. justified? I don't know. right? no, I don't think so.

I don't know about you, but I don't consider slapping someone so they barely make a step back as "across the friggin room". You're both sincerely playing down the attack of the woman with a lethal bludgeon, and exaggerating the dude's open-handed slap.
He did not punch her, he did not knock her out. She even came back up to him and tried to fight him more.

I understand fight or flight but that is not a response that is the same for anyone nor is it something that someone can't work to restrain or focus themselves towards flight instead of fight. When you pick fight, you open yourself up to a whole bunch of other issues. That's why people suggest you react to danger with flight unless you physically cannot. I'm not out here to say dude is a bad person, quite the opposite, I'm saying that at the point where he slapped he, he could have walked away. I'm not buying dude thought he was in his dying moments and his animal instinct to activate soul slap ability kicked in. I really don't think that's accurate. Doesn't mean he was wrong to reciprocate though, I don't think he was.

He was trapped in a subway car. He was physically not able to get out of that car, as the subway was still in motion. I don't know how big NYC subway cars are constructed, but in the European subways I've taken, the cars are all enclosed, do not allow for escape, and fairly small (i.e. you can cross them easily within 10 seconds if you walk slowly or are obstructed by other people).

Also, he DID try to walk away after applying the slap. But he got jumped on by the woman's friends and that one dude he wrestled all over the car.

 

[Gamerloid]

You don't have one so you're one to talk.

The one that wants to disprove something has the burden of proof. You can't come at me with nothing. I'm not sure if I want to deal with you though. From reading your post here, you're too far gone.

 

[Madrin]

I don't think I would have hit the girl if I were in that situation, but it was totally justified. It's nice to see assholes get put in their place, man or woman.

 

[bodyboarder]

The person that jumped in at the end got their ass kicked.

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

Good to see he didn't get into trouble.

 

[Gnome]

The one that wants to disprove something has the burden of proof. You can't come at me with nothing. I'm not sure if I want to deal with you though. From reading your post here, you're too far gone.

Eh, its actually the job of anyone making an assertion, not someone trying to disprove something; else-wise anybody could make an outlandish claim and expect someone to disapprove them, like blue-cotton-candy-goblins being real.

 

[Ryne]

I know there is the notion of being bigger means you should just accept the punishment. That does not always work. I have the problem in my left ear because of a woman swinging a bag/purse at me while I was walking away.

It doesn't always work. I try to diffuse the situation, and I really don't want to resort to violence because being a bigger man means that I may really hurt someone. However we can get hurt too so I really don't blame him for slapping back.

 

[Gamerloid]

Eh, its actually the job of anyone making an assertion, not someone trying to disprove something; else-wise anybody could make an outlandish claim and expect someone to disapprove them, like blue-cotton-candy-goblins being real.

Haha That's true too. I guess could come up with something. I just don't feel like making a long post because it'll be like a cry on deaf ears.

 

[The Faceless Master]

some people are on that old testament mindless misogynist "don't hit a woman, they are lesser beings" bullshit, and i really hope they don't get an eye or eardrum taken out by a 5" pump.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Slapped the Sonic rings out that chick...dudes in Jersey heard that shit echoing through the hallway

LOL.....a GIF of that would be glorious.

 

[ishibear]

The one that wants to disprove something has the burden of proof. You can't come at me with nothing. I'm not sure if I want to deal with you though. From reading your post here, you're too far gone.

You made a statement and I let you know that's not sexist. You're supposed to tell me how it is.

You're already dealing with me by commenting on my posts. Enough with the personal attacks. You have no reason for it. I never disrespected you and you have no reason to be this way towards me.

My God what's wrong with you people?

Eh, its actually the job of anyone making an assertion, not someone trying to disprove something; else-wise anybody could make an outlandish claim and expect someone to disapprove them, like blue-cotton-candy-goblins being real.

Thank you for clarifying that. They likely won't be as hostile to you as they have been to me so I'm relieved.

 

[The Faceless Master]

He was trapped in a subway car. He was physically not able to get out of that car, as the subway was still in motion. I don't know how big NYC subway cars are constructed, but in the European subways I've taken, the cars are all enclosed, do not allow for escape, and fairly small (i.e. you can cross them easily within 10 seconds if you walk slowly or are obstructed by other people).

Also, he DID try to walk away after applying the slap. But he got jumped on by the woman's friends and that one dude he wrestled all over the car.

probably about 40ft long. doors are open between some cabs but that's probably a bad idea if you're being attacked.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

He was trapped in a subway car. He was physically not able to get out of that car, as the subway was still in motion. I don't know how big NYC subway cars are constructed, but in the European subways I've taken, the cars are all enclosed, do not allow for escape, and fairly small (i.e. you can cross them easily within 10 seconds if you walk slowly or are obstructed by other people).

Also, he DID try to walk away after applying the slap. But he got jumped on by the woman's friends and that one dude he wrestled all over the car.

You're phrasing this like the only thing dude could have done was use physical force. I don't buy that honestly. It's annoying because I'm not saying dude is bad or dude's decision was wrong. I'm saying that when you use violence you open yourself up to unwanted problems and so you should avoid it until you have no other choice for your own benefit. Yes we have fight or flight but it's not just automatic to the point you make it sound.

If the girl hit him and he walked to the other side of the car and she followed, at this point he's free to use force because he exhausted his last option. Anyway, we aren't going to agree on this clearly.

 

[one_kill]

I understand fight or flight but that is not a response that is the same for anyone nor is it something that someone can't work to restrain or focus themselves towards flight instead of fight. When you pick fight, you open yourself up to a whole bunch of other issues. That's why people suggest you react to danger with flight unless you physically cannot. I'm not out here to say dude is a bad person, quite the opposite, I'm saying that at the point where he slapped he, he could have walked away. I'm not buying dude thought he was in his dying moments and his animal instinct to activate soul slap ability kicked in. I really don't think that's accurate. Doesn't mean he was wrong to reciprocate though, I don't think he was.

Also, just the fact that he went for a slap instead of a punch already confirms brothaman was fully aware of what he was doing. I fear for my life so I slapped her. . . what?

What are you basing this on?

A slap is more natural than a punch

 

[The Faceless Master]

What are you basing this on?

A slap is more natural than a punch

obviously he should have shot her if he feared for his physical safety!

 

[Nuklear]

They all should have done a Ric Flair woooooooooooo after that slap.

 

[JadedWriter]

She got what she deserved.

 

[Red Arremer]

probably about 40ft long. doors are open between some cabs but that's probably a bad idea if you're being attacked.

So they're even shorter than the ones I know from Vienna, wow. So yeah, that sounds like he had even less room to escape than I thought.

 

[block tower]

i love the replies by Gaffers in this thread saying "show restraint" . lol yall aint anout that life and probably never been in a physical altercation or threatening position. i dont care your size or gender, you start disrespecting most people like that girl did and someones gonna smack the shit out you like dude did in the video.

 

[tronic307]

A shove might've been a more appropriate use of force given the size disparity, but I don't think a single good hard slap crossed the line by much, if at all.

Have you ever ridden the subway in New York City? A shove could get you stabbed. If there's nowhere to run, you have to disable the perp without hesitation.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Thank you for clarifying that. They likely won't be as hostile to you as they have been to me so I'm relieved.

I honestly don't know why you're surprised people are getting hostile. You implied large sections of gaf think that they can use feminism as an excuse to make tons of bat shit insane and rude comments which is w/e by itself. But in this thread no one is implying, "yo equal right deserve equal lefts, you want feminism you gotta deal", at least no one that is being taken seriously. You're coming across as combative for no real reason and by saying "you know who you are" you're leaving ambiguity in an accusation that does not deserve ambiguity.

Feminism (true feminism not that tumblr style trash) actually is beneficial for men as well as women. I think most people slightly educated on the subject understand that. You could address the problems you have with the posts that offend you and explain your position but those "you know who you are" style posts are actually not effective because "we don't actually know who we are".

 

[GK86]

The article posted earlier about the stiletto murder described an x-ray of one as looking like an ice hammer. Can't say I disagree.

Man, that looks painful. The foot being in that position I mean.

 

[quesalupa]

Well this thread is interesting/hilarious.

 

[LaserBuddha]

I'm surprised by the number of people applauding a man hitting a woman.

who is bigger?
was he in any physical danger?

I didn't think it was appropriate. I won't make a legal ruling, I agree it's legally a bit difficult to parse out since she did technically attack him first, but I absolutely wouldn't condone this or applaud it.

speaking for myself, there is nothing short of mortal danger of myself or someone else that would compel me to physically attack a woman. Being "dissed" or getting flailed at a little certainly wouldn't be enough.

He was already hit so he was beyond physical danger, so thats one red herring out of the way.

Also, what would you be saying if she were larger than him? Your right to defend yourself is not compromised in any way if you have a favorable size advantage, and the whole "never hit a woman" thing is just a vestige of patriarchy that almost certainly gave this woman the gall to strike people without fear of recourse.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

What are you basing this on?

A slap is more natural than a punch

The fact that if you think you're in real danger you go for the KO? Personally I believe dude used it as a deterrent like "I'm not playing, don't touch me, just back off" but dude was not going for the game ender here. Pretty apparent from how he dismantles the guy attacking him right after.

 

[Blair]

I don't have to do that. It's all over this thread and the last one. I'll be quoting all night if I do, arguing with everyone. I didn't come here to argue. I want answer why this is somehow more important and understood than the other aspects of feminism. That's all. Yet here I am being attacked because I used a generalization. Jesus, if anything, I've been proven right. No one wants to talk about this shit because it's too deep. Eventually, it will have to come to light and be discussed.

The entire reason people are are going after you is because people want to know who this question is directed at:

I want answer why this is somehow more important and understood than the other aspects of feminism.

This is not a position you can just apply en masse to a heavily populated forum. Who do you want to answer that question?


You open with the incredibly disingenuous

The only time GAF gives a fuck about feminism and equality is when it involves putting your hands on us.

The fuck is the shit?

On a forum with 143,719 members. Who is GAF? Don't care about equality? Recent example, how many posts can you find that thought that insane PUA was just swell? An overwhelming amount to the point where you feel comfortable enough to invoke hivemind on these issues?


You need to quote people from relevant threads to expose them. You can't waltz into a thread and open with that kind of shit post and expect people to thank you for the enlightenment.

Jesus, if anything, I've been proven right.

You have a huge unwarranted ego. You need to ditch it because you think you are here to educate but your posts in this thread are lazy rubbish with a smattering of delusion.

 

[ndawgdrake]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PTI0ye0Jjho

lolol

thanks a lot. i spilled my beer.

 

[LaserBuddha]

The only time GAF gives a fuck about feminism and equality is when it involves putting your hands on us.

The fuck is the shit?

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[one_kill]

The fact that if you think you're in real danger you go for the KO? Personally I believe dude used it as a deterrent like "I'm not playing, don't touch me, just back off" but dude was not going for the game ender here. Pretty apparent from how he dismantles the guy attacking him right after.

Have you been in a similar situation?

 

[SolidC213]

I'd have to get a better look at the handbag. Otherwise, the slap was on another level.

the chick and her friends assaulting people should be arrested

e: ok, they were shoes. Yeah, smacking the shit out of her was totally appropriate.

He honestly showed restraint even slapping her. Seriously who thinks of slapping when you are getting hit? I think most people would have started punching after that.