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Man kicked off Jetblue flight for harassing Ivanka Trump

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Dr. Benton Quest said:
It's not about this specific incident. It's about the American left being jelly spined losers that can't for the life of them understand why they keep taking massive L's while a strongman pushes his way to power.

We should be more aggressive. Or we can keep doing what we've been doing I guess.
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It might have been the far left's fervor for hunting down and exposing/labeling (a lot of times, wrongfully) people that helped the right win, too.
 
psaman17 said:
Wow. Ok.

You sound like a religious extremist. Fucking chill.
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People like this don't care about any cause, they just want a blank check to be horrible to people. If they didn't have politics, they'd pick something else. Fundamentalists are the same everywhere, regardless of which cause they arbitrarily pick. Hatred is addictive, so they pretend that theirs just self defense.
 
Air Zombie Meat said:
This seems really over the top. There are way more important fights coming and they won't be against people on your side of the political spectrum.
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They're helping to normalize these Nazis by being so sweet and accommodating in their interactions with them. Political discourse is a fight, it doesn't take place behind a lectern.

David H Wong said:
People like this don't care about any cause, they just want a blank check to be horrible to people. If they didn't have politics, they'd pick something else. Fundamentalists are the same everywhere, regardless of which cause they arbitrarily pick. Hatred is addictive, so they
pretend that theirs just self defense.
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I don't like Nazis so I'm just a hate filled monster? You serious? Yeah, I'm horrible to white supremacists, what a terrible creature I am.
 
AstroLad said:
this thread is a classic example of what i've been saying about liberals since forever -- they're more racist and biased than any of things they accuse of being racist -- it's just racism against non-minorities and republicans. even worse is that ivanka is an immigrant, who they claim to love so much...i guess only if they have the right political views

/smh
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Republicans aren't a race....
 
marrec said:
See this is where some in the political left in America are so fucking misguided.

Some actually think Trump was carried to power because he was insulting and mercurial and so they actually want to mimic some of the right's behavior because either they feel vindictive or they think it will win them political points.

Trump didn't win because he insulted Rosie O'donnell y'all.
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I mean, kind of. His insulting rhetoric plays into his straight-talk, "telling it like it is" image that red-state Americans who loathe political correctness (which is literally the practice of not being a shithead to non-white men) lapped up. It's what separated him from the rest of the GOP pack right from the start.
 
Ivanka is directly involved in the Trump administration. She's not some private individual whose just holding down an unrelated job somewhere while their dad went and took office. These people shouldn't be allowed to show their face in public without facing public outrage. Deplorable people being treated the way they deserve is a good thing.
 
DragonSworne said:
Civil liberties and what not being violated.
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Strong case you have here.

Judge: "it says in your deposition that you've been "wronged because I have no self control and some other shit. I dunno. The System kicked me off this plane." Is that your case?"

DragonSworne: "Yes mam!"

Judge: "and you started to make a scene because you wanted your voice to be heard?"

DragonSworne: "It's my constitutional right to say whatever I want whenever I want. This is a free country and I will not stand for this injust-"

Judge: "get the hell out of my courtroom..."
 
Blader said:
I mean, kind of. His insulting rhetoric plays into his straight-talk, "telling it like it is" image that red-state Americans who loathe political correctness (which is literally the practice of not being a shithead to non-white mean) lapped up. It's what separated him from the rest of the GOP pack right from the start.
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I agree with you, but I have zero idea why some supposedly on the left then think mimicking the right will get them back into power? Hillary tried the basket of deplorables which was the homeopathic version of Trump. As in take Trumps insulting rhetoric and dilute it in a lake and serve it up. It still managed to cause her own campaign damage...

Hence people on the left should really be starting to learn by now you don't start winning elections by trying to be the fuckwits on the right who are aggressive, insulting and downright rude. All that does is do what it's doing in this thread, has liberals and those on the left arguing with each other, whilst any on-looker who supports Trump or the Republicans is probably reading this topic and laughing their ass off. Heck there is probably many liberals and leftists reading this topic and laughing their asses off, if not wallowing in despair.
 
DragonSworne said:
I would sue the shit out of JetBlue and Ivanka.
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DragonSworne said:
Nope, I'd win and be rich.
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DragonSworne said:
Civil liberties and what not being violated.
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DragonSworne said:
The ones that prevent a person from being thrown from a plane due to not being privileged.
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I don't normally say this, but reading your posts lately has been so bafflingly frustrating.

Dude was, in fact, agitated because of her. No debating that.. So his removal is entirely up to the security at that point. Preventing a passenger from causing a scene or attempting to hurt Ivanka by removing him from the plane is well within the reasonable actions that could be taken by her security.
 
He's probably worried about his marriage being nullified and how that will afect his adopted child

I doubt that kind of fear brings out the best in anyone

I could see how it would be a thing

I don't think disrupting a flight is a good idea, but dude is looking at real-world implications of policies and actions that have been promised. It isn't just a political disagreement to him, it's his life
 
Isaac Otherworld said:
Ivanka is directly involved in the Trump administration. She's not some private individual whose just holding down an unrelated job somewhere while their dad went and took office. These people shouldn't be allowed to show their face in public without facing public outrage. Deplorable people being treated the way they deserve is a good thing.
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Yep. And her kids need to know how much of a piece of shit their mother is.
 
I don't see why anyone is terrified or surprised that the reaction to vitriol and hate winning is it spreading to the side that opposed it.

Like that's just human nature. If being the bigger man gets you spat on eventually you go screw it and go back to the baser reactions.

We got at least eight years of this. Strap in.
 
Ray Wonder said:
I don't normally say this, but reading your posts lately has been so bafflingly frustrating.

Dude was, in fact, agitated because of her. No debating that.. So his removal is entirely up to the security at that point. Preventing a passenger from causing a scene or attempting to hurt Ivanka by removing him from the plane is well within the reasonable actions that could be taken by her security.
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What about his security? Her family and father is actively going to destroy this man's life and he has to take it I guess. Not privileged enough to have his own security and personnel to remove people he may not like directly.
 
marrec said:
Glad to help.

Since we're smelling our own moral farts:
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I mean, apparently you are, since apparently your position is that you are the only person on GAF to actually work to advance progressive causes, and everybody else does nothing except post angrily on the internet.

I am genuinely surprised at the level of smug superiority you're displaying in this thread. I usually expect better from you.

If you're seeing a lot of angry leftists all of a sudden and it's confusing you, maybe check yourself?

marrec said:
Where's the line of protest? Verbal harassment is okay by you, but physical harassment is surely not right?

Can we spit on her? Can we vandalized her property?
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As I understand it, Americans have a pretty clear and explicit right to political speech. That seems like a reasonable cutoff to me. More direct action is a very different topic.

You stated that it's appropriate to protest Ivanka if she's giving a political speech. What about her travel to and from that speech? Is it reasonable to block the streets, as they did in Chicago for that Trump rally? Is it reasonable to yell at her on the rope line?
 
marrec said:
This is the kind of rhetoric that directly leads to radicalization, the insane leftists on here need to remember that.
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What are you talking about? Telling people that it's ok to be rude to Nazis is radicalization?

No, the Bolsheviks cut the heads off their fascists. THAT is radicalization. No one here is calling for anything thing like that but you're acting like they're one and the same.

I'm just trying to tell you that this shit is not kindergarten.
 
excelsiorlef said:
Republicans aren't a race....
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uhh....
paul-ryan-i-1024.jpg
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we all know what people really mean when they denigrate "republicans"...what they're really going after
 
Dr. Benton Quest said:
What are you talking about? Telling people that it's ok to be rude to Nazis is radicalization?

No, the Bolsheviks cut the heads off their fascists. THAT is radicalization. No one here is calling for anything thing like that but you're acting like they're one and the same.

I'm just trying to tell you that this shit is not kindergarten.
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Then stop acting like a kindergartener.

pigeon said:
I mean, apparently you are, since apparently your position is that you are the only person on GAF to actually work to advance progressive causes, and everybody else does nothing except post angrily on the internet.

I am genuinely surprised at the level of smug superiority you're displaying in this thread. I usually expect better from you.

If you're seeing a lot of angry leftists all of a sudden and it's confusing you, maybe check yourself?
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I'm frankly shocked at the flippant attitude this new left has taken toward basic human decency is all. A lot of us, you and me included, have worked our entire adult lives toward progressive left goals and I'm seeing shit change for the worse and it's not putting me in a good mood.

As I understand it, Americans have a pretty clear and explicit right to political speech. That seems like a reasonable cutoff to me. More direct action is a very different topic.

You stated that it's appropriate to protest Ivanka if she's giving a political speech. What about her travel to and from that speech? Is it reasonable to block the streets, as they did in Chicago for that Trump rally? Is it reasonable to yell at her on the rope line?
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When does the right to political speech become harassment?
 
Audioboxer said:
I agree with you, but I have zero idea why some supposedly on the left then think mimicking the right will get them back into power? Hillary tried the basket of deplorables which was the homeopathic version of Trump. As in take Trumps insulting rhetoric and dilute it in a lake and serve it up. It still managed to cause her own campaign damage...

Hence people on the left should really be starting to learn by now you don't start winning elections by trying to be the fuckwits on the right who are aggressive, insulting and downright rude. All that does is do what it's doing in this thread, has liberals and those on the left arguing with each other, whilst any on-looker who supports Trump or the Republicans is probably reading this topic and laughing their ass off. Heck there is probably many liberals and leftists reading this topic and laughing their asses off, if not wallowing in despair.
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I really don't think this thread is representative of "the left" in any capacity. I think the actual representative sample in this situation is the passengers on this plane, one of whom harassed Ivanka Trump and the rest of whom (assuming they aren't all card-carrying Republicans) sat silently.
 
Blader said:
I really don't think this thread is representative of "the left" in any capacity. I think the actual representative sample in this situation is the passengers on this plane, one of whom harassed Ivanka Trump and the rest of whom (assuming they aren't all card-carrying Republicans) sat silently.
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You're probably right when it comes down to actual actions. As in 90% of these posters advocating how aggressive and grand-standing they would be are doing it because it's typing on a keyboard from their home. Not because they're literally about to jump on a plane and do something stupid that they know will get them ejected/banned. Oh no, they'll praise other people for doing stupid shit, but I doubt they themselves want to be kicked off their flight and maybe even banned from using the airline again...

However one thing that definitely is happening is so much time now being spent in conversation and in text of people on the left viciously arguing with each other because of all the splinter groups on this side. That is a problem. That leads to a lack of cohesion. That leads to disenfranchised voters. That leads to losing elections. Debate of goals and ideas is fine, but its literally getting so vicious it's not just a debate anymore, but all out smear campaigns against each other. I know from this topic I'm apparently a fascist as well, or a fascist sympathizer, or something to do with fascism....
 
DragonSworne said:
What about his security? Her family and father is actively going to destroy this man's life and he has to take it I guess. Not privileged enough to have his own security and personnel to remove people he may not like directly.
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She wasn't doing anything to him, he was the one acting agitated like he could possibly do something. She's not even the one who ordered it, she said to leave him alone. It's the security that determined that he was potentially a scene in the making.

His husband literally tweeted that he was going to harass her.
 
DragonSworne said:
The ones that prevent a person from being thrown from a plane due to not being privileged.
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Can't help but notice you make an awful lot of worryingly naive posts in off-topic. I feel like I've read several variations of "I don't get it, why don't we just take rights away from the bad men?", in the tone of a child emperor. It's a lot more complex than that. The courts aren't going to be motivated by some objective force of good to punish Ivanka Trump and redeem this guy.
 
Mr. Blonde said:
If this thread is representative of today's American left, it's going to be a long eight years for some of you.
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This thread is representative of nothing significant.

Part of me is being facetious. Part of me just doesn't care about Ivanka's plight as she tries to do a normal thing. I actually do understand that yeah a plane probably isn't the best place to air grievances against anyone unless you feel immediately threatened or suspicious of something. Which I guess given Ivanka, some people do have a right to feel that way...

As for some of my earlier posts, eh, I mostly stand by that. Yeah Trump literally didn't get elected by being an asshole, but a lot of his base ate it up and took it as "telling it like it is." Which is code for fuck Mexicans and minorities and everything about them. Which certainly did aid in his support and enthusiasm around himself.

Liberals will basically need to wait to see how the DNC responds before actual levels of assessment and progress can be made on how to stop the bleeding moving forward.
 
Audioboxer said:
You're probably right when it comes down to actual actions. As in 90% of these posters advocating how aggressive and grand-standing they would be are doing it because it's typing on a keyboard from their home. Not because they're literally about to jump on a plane and do something stupid that they know will get them ejected/banned.

However one thing that definitely is happening is so much time now being spent in conversation and in text of people on the left viciously arguing with each other because of all the splinter groups on this side. That is a problem. That leads to a lack of cohesion. That leads to disenfranchised voters. That leads to losing elections.
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Man, it has been just six weeks since the election. Trump hasn't even taken office yet. The DNC hasn't elected a new party chair yet, and won't for another two months. Of course there's a lack of cohesion now; Democrats just suffered a historic electoral loss and are facing something of an identity crisis, with no actual leader for those splinter groups to coalesce around.

It's a problem if this is still the state of the left 12-14 months from now. Right now, I think it's a pretty natural process of just figuring shit out.
 
notworksafe said:
what cabinet post does ivanka hold again?
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Just because she doesn't hold a post does not mean she hasn't been involved. It is well documented that she and her husband have taken an active role in being part of the administration. She's sat in on high level meetings and Trump regularly uses her for information, guidance, and advice.

To suggest she's just Joe Blow private citizen who happens to have a shitfuck father is false.
 
Isaac Otherworld said:
Ivanka is directly involved in the Trump administration. She's not some private individual whose just holding down an unrelated job somewhere while their dad went and took office. These people shouldn't be allowed to show their face in public without facing public outrage. Deplorable people being treated the way they deserve is a good thing.
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Get a life.
 
GoldenEye 007 said:
Just because she doesn't hold a post does not mean she hasn't been involved. It is well documented that she and her husband have taken an active role in being part of the administration. She's sat in on high level meetings and Trump regularly uses her for information, guidance, and advice.

To suggest she's just Joe Blow private citizen who happens to have a shitfuck father is false.
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i'm taking that person's posts at face value. that's why i was checking on ivanka's official cabinet position.

Kinsei said:
The unofficial Trump Organization position.
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so...none. according to you then, no reason to harass her.
 
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