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[dmshaposv]

I agree. Inception is the only worthwhile thing he's did since Pirates 3. Guy is super overrated and hammered out a lot of garbage for TDKR.

I'll be shocked if his Superman score is anything above average. But it could be. He impresses me sometimes, but not enough for me to be thrilled about this.

I hate the movie, but the sherlock holmes OST is very unique and well done. Unlike most of his previous stuff. Pirates is actually quite generic.

Zimmer has been doing great (sherlock, inception). People need to listen to his non-batman work before jumping to conclusions (refering to MYE).

 

[WillyFive]

The new suit looks like all the bad stuff from the Returns suit (muted colors) without something in the middle of the suit to give it some balance. It should at least have a belt, so that the middle of the suit doesn't look like an incomplete empty void. Not all superhero suits need belts, but they need something in the middle to give it a three-step build to make it seem balanced and not look like pajamas.

Oh well, I think the complains will be gone when Snyders art direction gives it justice, and we'll move on to criticizing the movie itself.

 

[KalBalboa]

I love the size of the \S/ on the MoS costume, it's not Alex Ross-absurdly big and not Superman Returns-super small.

Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing. Plus, the design is equally 50s, alien, and badass. It looks tough, proud, and like it stands for something.

 

[dmshaposv]

Blame the servers - double post.

 

[dmshaposv]

This image won me over:

Wow. Really like this suit. Looks a million times better than the superman returns children's costume with the trunks.

 

[TheKaeptain]

This image won me over:

What is that in the back ground?

 

[Loxley]

For comparison:

I completely for got about the little \S/ on the belt and the tiny boots from the SR costume. The MoS costume definitely gets a lot more right. Dat cape.

 

[Good Job Bob]

What is that in the back ground?

It's Faora's suit:

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Female Kryptonian suit.

 

[MYE]

Crowe's suit looks stupid in pics. Like something a Giger wannabe would come up with. Curious about how it translates to film.

I hate the movie, but the sherlock holmes OST is very unique and well done. Unlike most of his previous stuff. Pirates is actually quite generic.

Zimmer has been doing great (sherlock, inception). People need to listen to his non-batman work before jumping to conclusions (refering to MYE).

I'm well aware of his work. I love Lion King. But he goes from great to average and even silly in minutes.

He is a good composer but he seems to be in everything today. His overuse of certain instruments and out of place bombastic rythms just start to annoy me now.
And yes, IMO his Batman score falls on the average camp for the most part. BB had the better OST which makes me wonder if Howard had anything to do with that.

Anyway, lets move along. I realize that now is not the time to criticize anything Dark Knight trilogy related.

 

[Reiko]

The new suit looks like all the bad stuff from the Returns suit (muted colors) without something in the middle of the suit to give it some balance. It should at least have a belt, so that the middle of the suit doesn't look like an incomplete empty void. Not all superhero suits need belts, but they need something in the middle to give it a three-step build to make it seem balanced and not look like pajamas.

Oh well, I think the complains will be gone when Snyders art direction gives it justice, and we'll move on to criticizing the movie itself.

Why would Superman need a belt? If we're trying to connect this with the realism of the Nolan films (Sans a flying man) a belt would be unpractical. Batman uses his belt in the Nolan films for weapons and smoke bombs.

 

[Matrix]

People keep saying it needs something to break it up, what do you think that yellow design (circle) on his waist is. It just doesn't go all around. I would have maybe gone with red though like some have wanted, but I just honestly cant see the huge complaint esp coming off of the horrid as hell Returns suit we all got. I mean really look at that suit, it's so awful compared to the MOS one and the 70's Donner suit.

Superman's belt in the new 52 comes across as something Batman would wear in a Nolan movie.

Muted colors on the MOS suit? wtf smh

 

[Snaku]

People keep saying it needs something to break it up, what do you think that yellow design (circle) on his waist is. It just doesn't go all around. I would have maybe gone with red though like some have wanted

It's too subdued, and serves the same purpose a red belt would: aesthetics.

 

[Error]

I like Zimmer's Batman stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8-XarUUxM0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYxiT5VAlTk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV8kCdd3KVQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZst_2xJHAI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZH7UpSoIT8

I don't know about TDKR, but BB and TDK is quality.

Gladiator imo is still his crowning achievement, though.

 

[WillyFive]

Also, what do you guys think of the Superman suit in the comics (not the Action Comics one)?

(this is fan art)

The Action Comics one is on the left, the Superman one is on the right.

Why would Superman need a belt? If we're trying to connect this with the realism of the Nolan films (Sans a flying man) a belt would be unpractical. Batman uses his belt in the Nolan films for weapons and smoke bombs.

Is Man of Steel trying to be realistic?

 

[dmshaposv]

Without James Newton Howard there to help, TDKR's score fell short of the first two.

JNH is brilliant for more emotional piano based themes, but he cant pull off a complete blockbuster score by himself. Green lantern OST was horrendously forgettable.

Id say the problem with tdkr's score was that their combined efforts werent used. Both composers are good in different areas.

 

[G-Fex]

Watching Lois and Clark.

It's funny cause his mom came up with the costume lol

 

[Reiko]

Also, what do you guys think of the Superman suit in the comics (not the Action Comics one)?



The Action Comics one is on the left, the Superman one is on the right.


Is Man of Steel trying to be realistic?

Besides the Kryptonians it seems to try to answer the question what would Superman be like in real life?

We already got our answer with Batman with the Nolan trilogy, with some liberties taken of course.

 

[Error]

wow those kryptonian suits are awesome.

 

[Matrix]

It's too subdued, and serves the same purpose a red belt would: aesthetics.

Okay so they should have gone with the red like the cape, but I don't want to see some armor like belt like the 52 comics/or Batman around his waist. I don't know, I just smh at the nitpicking after what we got with Returns.

"Is Man of Steel trying to be realistic? "

The suit was never meant to be realistic though, I think you're kinda confused at what they're doing with the movie.

 

[WillyFive]

Okay so they should have gone with the red like the cape, but I don't want to see some armor like belt like the 52 comics/or Batman around his waist. I don't know, I just smh at the nitpicking after what we got with Returns.

The Returns suit was not that big a deal. Most people probably didn't notice anything different or unique about it outside hardcore fans.

 

[Snaku]

Okay so they should have gone with the red like the cape, but I don't want to see some armor like belt like the 52 comics/or Batman around his waist. I don't know, I just smh at the nitpicking after what we got with Returns.

I don't see the point of giving MoS a free pass just because you didn't like Returns.

 

[KalBalboa]

Okay so they should have gone with the red like the cape, but I don't want to see some armor like belt like the 52 comics/or Batman around his waist. I don't know, I just smh at the nitpicking after what we got with Returns.

I think we need to see more of him in motion to make more judgement calls either way, but man...

I think he looks f**kin' awesome.

 

[Discotheque]

I hate the movie, but the sherlock holmes OST is very unique and well done. Unlike most of his previous stuff. Pirates is actually quite generic.

Zimmer has been doing great (sherlock, inception). People need to listen to his non-batman work before jumping to conclusions (refering to MYE).

Sherlock Holmes was his most interesting work in a long time.

 

[Loxley]

Watching Lois and Clark.

It's funny cause his mom came up with the costume lol

One of my favorite panels from For All Seasons is after the kid compliments him on his costume:

If I remember correctly, that panel is actually the big reveal of Superman in the book as well.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Lion King was his best work.

 

[WillyFive]

Lion King was his best work.

It was such a long time ago and so different from his current work, I doubt he can do something like it again.

Hans Zimmer made fans with his current style though, and it certainly helped in getting him a lot of work.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Lion King was his best work.

Pfft. Not even his best animated score.

 

[Matrix]

"The Returns suit was not that big a deal. Most people probably didn't notice anything different or unique about it outside hardcore fans.

Maybe those who never saw the Donner movies, but it looks nothing like the universe it was supposed to be in/from and Perry White goes where/why did he get his new suit? (again never explained and it was just weird). He was practically wearing Evil Supes suit... actually it's fitting since he was a creeper Superman. It was a big deal to Superman fans and even people on this board who don't care about the character were laughing at it.

I don't see the point of giving MoS a free pass just because you didn't like Returns.

Because it shits all over the Returns suit, it's not about giving it a free pass. The whole Returns suit is shit from the colors, neckline, boots,cape. You're annoyed by the lack of a belt, at least I haven't seen you hating on the rest of the suit. I'm hating on the whole look of the Returns suit and almost all the net did if I remember. The response to this suit has been far better even without the trunks.

I can nitpick as well. I'm annoyed that MOS Superman won't have his S curl in his hair, but I'm choosing not to worry about the little things like I did when Returns showed off it's suit.

I just want a great Superman story. That's all I want more than anything and should be all that really matters at this point to save this character's life on the big screen.

 

[kunonabi]

The Returns suit was not that big a deal. Most people probably didn't notice anything different or unique about it outside hardcore fans.

Not true at all. Unsold SR Halloween costumes can attest to that.

 

[Discotheque]

Pfft. Not even his best animated score.

Elton John's stuff puts it above Prince of Egypt for me. But for just standalone Zimmer stuff yeah Prince of Egypt's ost was better

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Elton John's stuff puts it above Prince of Egypt for me. But for just standalone Zimmer stuff yeah Prince of Egypt's ost was better

I can accept this. Though I'd put Whitney Houston/Mariah Carey's stuff on par.

 

[Matrix]

Not true at all. Unsold SR Halloween costumes can attest to that.

lol

 

[WillyFive]

"The Returns suit was not that big a deal. Most people probably didn't notice anything different or unique about it outside hardcore fans.

Maybe those who never saw the Donner movies, but it looks nothing like the universe it was supposed to be in/from. He was practically wearing Evil Supes suit... actually it's fitting since he was a creeper Superman.

Interesting. I never saw it like that.

You see, the suit fit in with the art style of the movie; which also had the muted colors and the same general shades or blue and orange ever-present in almost every shot. It fit perfectly and naturally in with everything else in the movie; and since you never saw Superman 1 or 2 footage mixed in with Returns footage, people generally don't immediately notice any difference, since there's nothing standing out as "different", let alone as "wrong".

and should be all that really matters at this point to save this character's life on the big screen.

Well, you're obviously seeing this movie and character in a very different context than I am. I don't think Superman needs saving, I just think he needs to at least appear.

 

[KalBalboa]

Not true at all. Unsold SR Halloween costumes can attest to that.

That was probably more due to the overall popularity of the movie. It wasn't really kid-centric. I mean, it only stands to reason that the more popular the movie is & the movie geared it is towards children, the more popular the toys and merchandise will be.

I always thought the Returns costume got too much hate.

 

[Reiko]

Interesting. I never saw it like that.

You see, the suit fit in with the art style of the movie; which also had the muted colors and the same general shades or blue and orange ever-present in almost every shot. It fit perfectly and naturally in with everything else in the movie; and since you never saw Superman 1 or 2 footage mixed in with Returns footage, people generally don't immediately notice any difference, since there's nothing standing out as "different", let alone as "wrong".



Well, you're obviously seeing this movie and character in a very different context than I am. I don't think Superman needs saving, I just think he needs to at least appear.

Returns was a beautiful movie. But the movie looked boring and depressing. His suit only ADDED to that.

I couldn't even imagine a Brainiac, or Darkseid in that movie without them being neutered to hell. A sheer contrast to the colorful world Donner introduced in Superman The Movie. If only we had a proper no bullshit ending to the first movie, and a non camp version of Superman II.

 

[Matrix]

Interesting. I never saw it like that.

You see, the suit fit in with the art style of the movie; which also had the muted colors and the same general shades or blue and orange ever-present in almost every shot. It fit perfectly and naturally in with everything else in the movie; and since you never saw Superman 1 or 2 footage mixed in with Returns footage, people generally don't immediately notice any difference, since there's nothing standing out as "different", let alone as "wrong".



Well, you're obviously seeing this movie and character in a very different context than I am. I don't think Superman needs saving, I just think he needs to at least appear.

We clearly have different opinions on the suit, I can see where you're coming from, we just simply are looking at it from different view points. We can't change each others minds. Honestly I'd rather not talk about that movie any longer lol

It took over 20 years to get Superman back onto the screen, Returns did not meet their expectations or fans and its been 6 years since that came out. If MOS fucks up and with the Superman legal right issues (not sure how the affects stuff) if they have to reboot again and again... I have no clue when they will attempt to make another movie again.

They need to get this right. Superman is just as important as Batman despite GAF's crazy hard on for Batman

Spoiler

I have it too lol

 

[KalBalboa]

Returns was a beautiful movie. But the movie looked boring and depressing. His suit only ADDED to that.

I couldn't even imagine a Brainiac, or Darkseid in that movie without them being neutered to hell. A sheer contrast to the colorful world Donner introduced in Superman The Movie. If only we had a proper no bullshit ending to the first movie, and a non camp version of Superman II.

Here here. It's too bad Donner didn't get to finish 2... maybe he would have given us a better ending? His cut of 2 had to make due with what he had.

Superman: The Movie comes so damn close to being perfect at times, to me. That ending hurts the film in a big way, but everything surrounding it saves it from being a disaster.

 

[CREMSteve]

I know everyone loves to hate on Superman Returns, and I'm the first to acknowledge that it lacked an appropriate amount of action and a worthy nemesis... but I still went and watched it in the theater like 4 times. It came out during a Summer I was away from my wife for work, and I had nothing else to do one night, so I went to see the movie. I enjoyed it so much, that I found myself going back to see it a second and third time. When my wife finally rejoined me in our new home, I took her to see it.

It was a good flick, extremely well made, and what action there was, was amazing. The plane scene still gets me jazzed every time I watch it.

If Man of Steel has more of this kind of stuff in it, I'll be over the moon with delight.

 

[ii Stryker]

I don't understand why ppl bitch about it not being canon. I really enjoyed how Nolan handled TDK trilogy, it was familiar but different. They took the canon and mixed it up to make it work very well for film.

Man of Steel looks like it has some cool potential to be more than just a childish post WW2 Jesus analogy.

I enjoyed Superman Returns also!

 

[Shrennin]

Not to distract from all this suit/OST talk but I hope Lex Luthor is at least a character in this film (or has some type of presence). I know people are tired of him, but he is to Superman what Joker is to Batman. He should have some sort of villainous role in one of the Superman films (I know it's not this one, which is perfectly fine).

Also, I just want to see a movie Lex Luthor that isn't an evil real-estate agent.

 

[Matrix]

Here here. It's too bad Donner didn't get to finish 2... maybe he would have given us a better ending? His cut of 2 had to make due with what he had.

Superman: The Movie comes so damn close to being perfect at times, to me. That ending hurts the film in a big way, but everything surrounding it saves it from being a disaster.

Otis and the ending are Superman:The Movies biggest flaws. I still overlook them and f-ing love it. It's still my favorite Superhero movie of all time which will get you laughed at here.

 

[Matrix]

Not to distract from all this suit/OST talk but I hope Lex Luthor is at least a character in this film (or has some type of presence). I know people are tired of him, but he is to Superman what Joker is to Batman. He should have some sort of villainous role in one of the Superman films (I know it's not this one, which is perfectly fine).

Also, I just want to see a movie Lex Luthor that isn't an evil real-estate agent.

I wouldn't be shocked if they pull a Batman Begins at the end. I still want Brainiac and Darkseid so bad at this point.

 

[KalBalboa]

Otis and the ending are Superman:The Movies biggest flaws. I still overlook them and f-ing love it. It's still my favorite Superhero movie of all time which will get you laughed at here.

Certainly not by me. The direction, music, cinematography, performances, and tone are perfection at times. I actually liked some of Otis's jokes, but I agree that he sort of distracts from the point.

Few things will top the first time I watched Clark say goodbye to his mother in Superman: The Movie.

I wouldn't be shocked if they pull a Batman Begins at the end. I still want Brainiac and Darkseid so bad at this point.

I'll bet $5 the film ends with the military hiring Luthor to help in the event Superman goes rogue. Metallo & Lex would make a smart team in the sequel, but I'm hypothesizing a lot here.

 

[Shrennin]

I wouldn't be shocked if they pull a Batman Begins at the end. I still want Brainiac and Darkseid so bad at this point.

That's what I was thinking but I agree with you. I want a Luthor + Brainiac possible team-up and I want Darkseid. So many good villains that could be used.

Since this is an origin story then I think Zod or Brainiac were the perfect villains for this - just because they come from Krypton as well. I just wish Brainiac was used over Zod.

Also, I hope Snyder's ambiguous comment at ComicCon where he seemed to imply it would be possible for this Superman to begin a super hero DC movie universe like Marvel is doing happens. Just because Batman needs to be rebooted now so it would be the perfect time to do it. I really want a World's Finest film over a Justice League film though.

 

[Forever]

I remember when people nitpicked the new suit in The Dark Knight. And when people complained about the lack of yellow in Batman Begins.

Relax, it'll look fine on film.

 

[kunonabi]

Otis and the ending are Superman:The Movies biggest flaws. I still overlook them and f-ing love it. It's still my favorite Superhero movie of all time which will get you laughed at here.

Well when the movie works it really is unmatched. Clark showing up at the Daily Planet and saving the day as Superman is pure magic. It's really just Jor-el and Luthor that bring it down for me. I can only imagine what it was like to see it in the theatre when it came out. My parents were so moved by it they named me after Christopher Reeve.

I could probably ignore the MoS suit if I had to but Jor- el taking up more screen time just doesn't interest me. Having spent the last 10 years with Smallville I just have no interest in seeing them do the origin again especially when it seems to be covering some of the same beats. I'm also not a fan of this grim cold look that permeates the movie so far. I don't want Superman grounded in reality and I never have.

 

[CREMSteve]

I'd still kill for a Smallville movie that picks up where the show left off.

I know it will never happen though.

 

[KalBalboa]

I remember when people nitpicked the new suit in The Dark Knight. And when people complained about the lack of yellow in Batman Begins.

Relax, it'll look fine on film.

Well, the difference there is that Batman was regularly in the shadows.

The Begins suit wasn't terribly good looking and the DK & DKR suit was a step in the right direction as it fit the world of those movies, but I never actually thought Batman looked terribly great in those movies. His looked was toned down to make him look practical, so it worked.

Superman needs to be out in broad daylight more and there would need to be excuses to evolve his suit other than practicality. Batman changed his because the neck didn't move, but I'm pretty sure Nolan & co didn't like the Begins suit too.

I think the MoS suit will rock. Sorry to disagree on semantics but I agree on your "relax" notion.

 

[Error]

I remember when people nitpicked the new suit in The Dark Knight. And when people complained about the lack of yellow in Batman Begins.

Relax, it'll look fine on film.

I always thought the big yellow bat symbol in the chest was ridiculous in practice, for someone that uses darkness as an advantage to hide from enemies to have a big fat yellow symbol in the chest that can be seen miles away is just lol.