Principate
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Man refuses to tip waitress coz she is white."Will tip when you return the land"
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It's a 4chan board that discuss's literary works I believe. Basically snobby intellectualism.
Another reason why using singular examples is bad: who says white people get that amount of (monetary) empathy? A single woman did. Why she did may or may not have something to do with her skin colour, but some additional factors at least include the customer and his gloating on Facebook and the whole random factor of who and what becomes famous. And I'd argue most of these factors have a bigger impact than her skin colour. No, that doesn't mean the latter is no factor at all, but you simply can't assess that from a single example.
Or are there "lots" of white people getting thousands from gofundme's? If not, why's that a criterion for black people?
I think it's just the past tense of "light", kinda like "stay woke" or something. I doubt this guy browses 4chan, they would hate him.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
He is a complete douche. The reason why he's pissed off at France is likely because French along with British government at the time Veto'ed any UN involvement in ending the apartheid in South Africa a number of times, so were a large part of the reason why the apartheid continued to 1994.
So more of the misplaced anger lashing out against country constuents.
Rudelord
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nah, /lit/ has nothing to do with this.
'Lit' just means turned up/on, amazing, amped up, etc.
Generally I'm against being an asshole to random service people. That's a dick move. But why is it that every time a white person gets their feelings hurt, other white people rush to give them thousands of dollars?
Holy shit, we're getting murdered in the street, and this is a story? Get some fucking perspective people.
Who is the victim, though? The person who was denied a tip? Or the native who had their land, most of their continent, stolen by violent invaders?
Holy shit, we're getting murdered in the street, and this is a story? Get some fucking perspective people.
Who is the victim, though? The person who was denied a tip? Or the native who had their land, most of their continent, stolen by violent invaders?
[citation needed]
Charles Brandon
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Yeah I don't think you need to be that knowledgeable to know these people are assholes.
And she is receiving money because the story went viral, that's all there is to it, if what I'm gathering from the thread is correct black on white racism is common in SA, you just don't hear about it that much.
Perfect Blue
Banned
Fuck, this happens every time? Why haven't I ever got my thousands of dollars?
Nastrodamous
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go shoot somebody black and claim self defense.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Nah the opposite is common. This is actually about as common as black on white racism in the US (so it exists but has minmal effect). The social hierachy is clear in SA. The aparthied did it's job.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
If anything, I hope uber stays tip free. Tips are a mistake. If the business is interested in paying their employees more, than pay them more.
Causes unnecessary harm to the customer employee relationship. In all of these stories, I never see the management get involved. It's unbalanced. Other customers come to the waitress' aid, another customer caused the insult.
Rarely do people critique the manager or owner for allowing this or creating the system.
Causes unnecessary harm to the customer employee relationship. In all of these stories, I never see the management get involved. It's unbalanced. Other customers come to the waitress' aid, another customer caused the insult.
Rarely do people critique the manager or owner for allowing this or creating the system.
It's an exaggeration to make my point. Cops are gunning down unarmed black people in the street, and mainstream America doesn't bat an eye. Meanwhile, oh no, someone needs to be paid because they got hurt feelings. Or murdered an unarmed man, or whatever.
The guy in the TC's article is a dick but this outrage is without proper perspective.
Uber is interesting though because ALL the money the individual driver makes is directly funded by each individual passenger, not split up into food costs, electric bills, spread out amongst other employees like cooks, hostesses, etc. Paying the employees more would literally require an exact increase in price per mile in direct relation to the increase in pay.
People get rightly smacked down in shooting threads about how "there are bigger issues out there!" is a stupid deflection from the thread topic. Perhaps you should follow that example.
Shooting is equivalent to someone not getting a tip? Ok.
No, it's stupid to go into a thread complaining about other problems in the world, full stop.
gutter_trash
Banned
yup, and also on a date, it is a perfect setting to see how your date interacts with the waiting staff
I only mentioned it because someone said so in the thread, that this kind of racism happens more often than people think in SA.
I do have to say, the "radical non-binary black trans activist" line throws me off, do people write like this? not ironically?
Iorv3th
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Does anyone else feel like they would have been a smart ass back to the guy and just said "you can have all the land I own" because you own none?
What an intellectual, we will remember him for eons.
I know in Counter Strike it means you did a certain amount of damage to an enemy 'I lit him for 76'.
What an intellectual, we will remember him for eons.
I know in Counter Strike it means you did a certain amount of damage to an enemy 'I lit him for 76'.
Its the internet, your life either gets destroyed by it, or you get money from it.
CrunchyFrog
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They're both victims, the difference is the native is the victim of actions by aggressors from a generation ago while the waitress was made a victim by the native while having, at the very least in the course of doing her job, nothing to do with this native's woes. This woman is working as a waitress, on what grounds can she be assumed to be a part of the white oppressionist regime other than the fact that she shares their geography and skin color. I sympathize with the plight of South Africans and dealing with the fallout of colonialism and apartheid, but this particular instance was cold-blooded racism, pure and simple.
Spiral Insanity
Banned
You are glad? This fascist/racist shit just spreads more hate.
Hahhahahahaha
She didn't steal any land.
Damn...
They seem pretty indefensible from just a human decency standpoint.
Mysterious
Banned
Didn't this happen in the UK though?
dave is ok
aztek is ok
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2. Police shootings are a huge story every time they happen now in the U.S., many eyes (sic) are being batted.
3. According to The Counted 39 unarmed black people were shot by police last year, which is awful and should be zero - nonetheless your statement is very hyperbolic.
1. What does one thing even have to do with another?
2. Police shootings are a huge story every time they happen now in the U.S., many eyes (sic) are being batted.
3. According to The Counted 39 unarmed black people were shot by police last year, which is awful and should be zero - nonetheless your statement is very hyperbolic.
The same reason why white people stick around in North America instead of going to Europe, I guess.
DontBeThatGuy
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Don't you support Trump?
It's a nasty thing to do, but we are now in a position where we are calling a black South African a racist because they wrote a nasty note. Feels weird, man. After everything the Boers did to the South African people.
I still don't think he should have taken it out on a random waitress but this topic puts the issue in a weird place.
I think it's pretty obvious that the person who wrote the note has a deep seated prejudice against local whites.
The person who wrote the facebook post as well. They both are getting joy out of bullying a waitress simply because she's a representation. They used her as an effigy and laughed about it afterwards. It would be different if it was a heat of the moment misstep, but this was something they enjoyed and revelled in afterwards.
Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
CrunchyFrog
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I mean, it's just calling a spade a spade. Racism by definition isn't restricted to any particular skin color. Now how you use this particular instance to ascertain this person's greater moral character is up to you, but there's no book out there that says a black South African can't commit racist acts. On top of that, if you're claiming a moral high ground it's not unusual for your actions to come under scrutiny. Like someone said, people can act like assholes regardless of race or creed or favorite cereal. I do think though, that people should take caution and treat this event as such and not take it beyond the person who did it to the movement for racial equality as a whole, and from that worry I understand where you're coming from.
n00bsauce87
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You don't want to support white people, but you pay full price for the food they cooked and served to you. You are still supporting said white people.
Gaffers are encouraged to go to urban dictionary once in a while. This exchange is quite sad. But I understand that new black vernacular isn't common.
Charles Brandon
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Nope. Cape Town.
You make a good point. This is why I am not a big fan of identity politics and I would encourage people interested in equality and social justice to consider alternative ways to frame their arguments. I sort of agree with Slavoj Zizek here when he says that identity politics is having the paradoxical effect of pitting equally oppressed groups against each other in the name of narrow self-centred worldviews, as in the recent case of Dutch LGBT groups siding with exploitative conservative parties to protest against discrimination and "bigotry" in the Muslim community, when in fact both groups (muslims and LGBT) are in equal measure being marginalized because of structural factors and through conservative populism.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
That facebook post reads like satire. I can't believe somebody sat down and typed all that in earnest.
I worked as a waiter for a year or so in HS and I would occasionally get stiffed. I remember some Jehova's Witness or something once left me a fake $20 bill that was folded up weird so it looked like a regular $20 and then when I opened it was some bizarre rant about how I should just be a Jehova's Witness and don't need a tip.
I guess people handle things differently but I always just assumed people who don't tip couldn't afford to and everything after that was just their way of trying to justify it to themselves. It sucks but it is what it is. Relying on tips sucks.
I worked as a waiter for a year or so in HS and I would occasionally get stiffed. I remember some Jehova's Witness or something once left me a fake $20 bill that was folded up weird so it looked like a regular $20 and then when I opened it was some bizarre rant about how I should just be a Jehova's Witness and don't need a tip.
I guess people handle things differently but I always just assumed people who don't tip couldn't afford to and everything after that was just their way of trying to justify it to themselves. It sucks but it is what it is. Relying on tips sucks.
Netherscourge
Banned
The fuck am I reading... Fighting racism with racism I guess. This is the Facebook post:
Yeah, thank goodness trump will save the GOP ticket from Cruz, but doesn't mean I am racist or support bigotry. My perfect president would be a mix of Obama and Trump.
Also, it's not really relevant to this thread.
It sort of is because Trump is pretty damn racist himself. And in fact I'd say he's way worse than this guy because he actually has a political platform with which to express his views. So saying what you said while defending Trump is the definition of hypocritical.
No it's not. Cruz is a lot more dangerous than Trump. And secondly, I am not a racist and it's dumb accusing people of so. Never once have I supported any racist policies. Trump is against the TPP and that's a huge plus for me.
I never said you were. Im just saying that you're technically doing what you accuse people in this thread of doing. That's all.
And I do agree that Cruz is more dangerous than Trump, but the point still stands.You support him because of other things he advocates on his platform, and not necessarily the clear racist things he has said and supported. Just like some people are empathetic to this guy because of the context of SA and apartheid, not necessarily because of what he said to the waitress.
CyclopsRock
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I know we've sort of moved on from the Zimbabwe argument, but there's always secret option #3 - where the country is free from British rule but doesn't force all the people who know how to run farms to leave and then give their farms to people who don't know how to run farms.
SkeptiMism
Member
Can we stop with this? Nobody's saying the person isn't an asshole.
Debating about whether or not he's racist (he totally is though) isn't defending him.
The Shadow
Member
The fuck am I reading... Fighting racism with racism I guess. This is the Facebook post:
Da fuck? That's just hatred, pure and simple. Shitting on someone for the sake of shitting on someone.
Yes, let's take back our land, by making this WHITE WAITRESS cry. No more excuses white waitresses!
Where did he write that you were a racist?
So you ignore all of the racist shit Trump says and beliefs because he's against TPP?
There actually are a couple of posters that are acting like a defense force though.
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