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Manhunt 2 won't be released in UK
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SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Man, we are going to get some weird new members if this forum comes up on a google search.Windu said:
flipping_heck
Member
Y'know, even though im not a Manhunt fan, im tempted to get this on eBay (a few copies are on it) and sell it off for a higher price when the game is unavailable to get.
Who likes these games anyway? I really think Rockstar is taking this sort of shit way too far.
Personally I find the idea behind the game reprehensible, so I personally have no problems with it being banned. Kids would inevitably get their hands on it and no one needs to play this filth IMO.
Personally I find the idea behind the game reprehensible, so I personally have no problems with it being banned. Kids would inevitably get their hands on it and no one needs to play this filth IMO.
Uh, yeah, except the game was actually rated by the ESRB and will be available to the public. That's the damn difference.Geek said:
If Wal-Mart or some other stores voluntarily choose not to carry the game, then that's their own choice and it's letting the market decide because Wal-Mart is part of the market. Voluntary non-sale and governmental enforcement are two entirely different beasts.
I encourage businesses to make their own decisions about what's socially acceptable to sell. That's great, and it's responsible.
Droog
Member
Segata Sanshiro said:
Perhaps the main difference is because Bourne Identity as a film is passive for the viewer but Manhunt 2 is interactive. The audience has no control over what the character does in a film but they have direct control in a game. The choice is literally theirs and there is quite a big contrast between passive/interactive events and their perception.
On a sidenote, I don't approve of the ban as a UK resident. I played through Manhunt 1 and thought it was rubbish to be honest but if people want to buy/play it, I don't see why they shouldn't, I certainly don't care. I am curious to what Manhunt 2 must've done to get this ban though because as many people in this thread have already said, the BBFC have been much more liberal in recent times...
brain_stew
Member
Droog said:
Well research conducted by the BBFC (that was discussed in the June/May Edge) concluded the situation was the exact opposite. This was believed because once a player moves his hands away from the buttons the action stops, and thus they are constantly reminded that it is indeed a game. With a movie, even if the person moves away, the film will continue to play.
Again, this is not my thinking, this came from a BBFC exec. commenting on research that they themselves conducted. As such, it is highly hypocritical for them to allow the likes of Saw 3 in movie theatres when evidence that they have collated has shown that it would pose a greater risk.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
That's the common perception, but the research done in this area has done nothing to bear out the hypothesis that interactive entertainment is any more harmful than passive entertainment. Not surprising, since research hasn't done much at all to support the hypothesis that video entertainment can be harmful at all.Droog said:
Gokurakumaru
Banned
Droog said:
Forget passive versus non for a moment. Is either form of entertainment demonstrably causative of abnormal behavior or altered psyche? Because that's the BBFC's argument here, that this can't be rated because it is harmful to both children (who are traditionally considered to have a less developed grasp of the difference between reality and fantasy) and adults (who obviously do have a grasp of the differences). If I play this game am I going to go out and sadistically murder people? Is anybody going to? And if they would are games like Manhunt 2 the problem or are they unstable to begin with?
That's the basic problem here. The BBFC have held Manhunt 2 up to an entirely different standard than other forms of media even after conducting research suggesting video games are less damaging.
Razoric said:
Freedom of speech, blah blah blah. Manhunt is pure crap. The games I play aren't centered around what this games main focus is on. Cry me a river. The game is useless trash. Censor it all day long as far as I care. I don't have a taste for shitty crap games.
Something is wrong with people who get off on this shit.
I guess kiddie porn should be protected speech too. It's crap and reprehensible as well, but hey - Freedom of Speech. You can use that shitty argument for anything.
brain_stew
Member
Dr_Cogent said:
People are abused in the creation of child porn it is a completely different idea, and wholly idiotic to compare the two.
kylej said:
Do I need to? I've read what the game is about. The first game was shit from everything I read and saw. I don't need to ****ing play it.
Go spank your monkey to the game all you want. Personally I don't think anyone should be playing something that revels in grotesque forms of murder.
F*ck off. I don't give a flying shit if you guys don't like my stance. Go cry to the UK.
Razoric said:
Both are sick, twisted and evil. Yes. It's murder for the sake of murder, only to be outrageous and gross.
I call 'em as I see 'em. Evil.
Razoric said:
I've read plenty about what you are capable of doing in the game. I am not ignorant of what the game is about. Nice try. Weak as shit. What you have to say regarding me certainly has no effect on my opinion.
titiklabingapat
Member
The Manhunt 2 ban made CNN's frontpage. It begins...
Razoric said:
Like I said Razoric, f*ck off if you don't like it. Both are sick and twisted and people getting off on either are sick and twisted.
Cartoony violence like in GTA is one thing, this is on a whole different plane. I don't f*cking care if you don't like my opinion at all. Thats the great thing, you can have any damn fool opinion you want in this country.
PansenHansen
Banned
maybe your mind is still too imature.Dr_Cogent said:
there are a lot of people who can see the difference between real violence and videogame violence
GreenNight
Member
Dr_Cogent said:
Yeah, I cant wait to play it, gonna be awesome!
Dr_Cogent said:
The fact that you even put the two in the same thought shows how ignorant you are and is proof you've never even played the game(s).
Do you play Gears of War? If so, do you 'get off' on chainsawing people in Gears of War? Why do you assume anyone who plays a violent game 'gets off' on it? Maybe you have the problem here. I just play the games, not masturbate to them.
PansenHansen said:
I know the difference. I'm plenty more mature than most of GAF. I can identify useless shit when I see it. That's your take. This game is much different than any other game in history as far as I can tell. You have your opinion, and I have mine. It's useless trash.
Razoric said:
That's your take. I personally think the idea behind the game is sick. You don't. Yippee for you. You can buy it all you like. I think it's shit and I see no redeeming or entertaining value in it. You do? Great.
When they start encroaching on games like Gears, I'll change my tune. Murder simulator games don't float my boat and I think something is wrong with those who like this sort of shit. That's why I'm not crying about it being censored. I have the freedom to think how I like and no anonymous GAFfer is going to change it.
Razoric said:
No, actually I think there is a difference between the two which is why banning one doesn't bother me and banning the other would. There in lies the difference. You don't like that, tough shit.
OK boys and girls, I've said my peace regarding the subject. This isn't going to go anywhere at this point.
Really? Then don't compare them as equal.Dr_Cogent said:
It's nothing wrong to dislike the game. I doesn't like it either, but that doesn't mean I would love to see it banned or censored. Every adult should be able to play the game he wants to play. Why should someone have the right to say what I can or can't play? The only exception should be real violence material which is bannable.Dr_Cogent said:
Dr_Cogent: You inability to either see the severity of this decision for what it is, or to have an adult conversation about the issue ("f*ck off" is NOT how mature people discuss things) shows you up as extremely ignorant and immature.
Calling everyone who disagrees a "punk ass kid" won't help either. By the sound of it I am considerably older than you, but either way I am most certainly not a kid, in fact I teach them for a living.
Personally I WOULD ban GoW for being YABSMS (yet another bald space marine shooter) but that would only be if I actually agreed with censorship.
I tried to get through this without commenting on your appauling comparison of child porn (that actually ruins lives and often leads to REAL people dieing) and a videogame no more violent than numerous books and films, which as a medium have been shown to have more of an effect on the psyche. But come on man, you gotta be trolling there.
Also, I note that your entire exposure to this game is from the media. I actually played the first one, I found it extremely dull. But I find Final Fantasy extremely dull and I wouldn't ban that.
Calling everyone who disagrees a "punk ass kid" won't help either. By the sound of it I am considerably older than you, but either way I am most certainly not a kid, in fact I teach them for a living.
Personally I WOULD ban GoW for being YABSMS (yet another bald space marine shooter) but that would only be if I actually agreed with censorship.
I tried to get through this without commenting on your appauling comparison of child porn (that actually ruins lives and often leads to REAL people dieing) and a videogame no more violent than numerous books and films, which as a medium have been shown to have more of an effect on the psyche. But come on man, you gotta be trolling there.
Also, I note that your entire exposure to this game is from the media. I actually played the first one, I found it extremely dull. But I find Final Fantasy extremely dull and I wouldn't ban that.
plagiarize
Banned
wait... why do you get to decide whether what people 'get off on' is sick or not?Dr_Cogent said:
child pornography has a victim. the child being abused.
but killing virtual people (and for that matter, raping virtual children) has no victim.
thirty years ago gears of war would have been looked on just as manhunt 2 is today.
how does that speech go again? 'first they came for the jews...'
WickedAngel
Banned
I can't help but get excited over all the Jack Thompson shenanigans that will come about upon the release of this game everywhere else. I used to despise him but I've come to enjoy his insanity. Unlike the other games that he had to stretch to bash, Manhunt is going to be about as close to his "murder simulator" mantra as the industry is going to get in the near future.
WickedAngel
Banned
AstroLad said:
Unfortunately. This will garner all sorts of attention from all the wrong people.
Lord Phol
Member
Could someone who've played the first game please tell me what's it's all actually about?
People keep talking about the meaning behind the violence in it, that there's some purpose why you're brutally killing people (I do know it's done in some rather brutal ways), and since I haven't played it myself (really doesen't look like a game I would enjoy, rather the opposite, but I have been tempted to try it out now just to see what's it all about) I would like to know what the actual meaning of the game is, if not to just to slaughter people.
Cause to me, as one who hasn't really seen much of the game, it sounds just like a big brutal-slaughter-party :z. For all I know there could be very little of that those things, but since I haven't played it as mentioned earlier I would realy like to know.
Please enlighten me.
People keep talking about the meaning behind the violence in it, that there's some purpose why you're brutally killing people (I do know it's done in some rather brutal ways), and since I haven't played it myself (really doesen't look like a game I would enjoy, rather the opposite, but I have been tempted to try it out now just to see what's it all about) I would like to know what the actual meaning of the game is, if not to just to slaughter people.
Cause to me, as one who hasn't really seen much of the game, it sounds just like a big brutal-slaughter-party :z. For all I know there could be very little of that those things, but since I haven't played it as mentioned earlier I would realy like to know.
Please enlighten me.
Droog
Member
brain_stew said:
I was merely thinking along the lines that in a game, the events only unfold due to the players interaction rather than in a film where the events unfold onscreen regardless of how the audience feels, etc. I'm not proclaiming to be an expert in this field though obviously!
Just expressing an idea.Interesting that the BBFC would do research that claims the opposite though and I can't help but agree with your Saw 3 comment!