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Maniac deceives innocent Switch scalpers
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Deleted member 740922
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What is this shit? 
Handy Fake
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Man creates giant Furby interaction circle with twat-scalpers.What is this shit?
STARSBarry
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Why are switches in short supply now?
Portugeezer
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Sadly they will succeed in selling their systems. Unlike the Wii U woman, that shit was gold
mcz117chief
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Because its all made in China and China stopped all international trade for a while, it is back up again but I'm not sure if the Switch production is as well.
Starlight Lotice
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They wasted money driving to the location, that is a good result for trying to scalp people.
Relativ9
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IntentionalPun
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lol love it, scalpers are scum
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Dude, I looked up online sex offenders, and there was like 40 of 'em in a 10 mile radius. That makes me very mad. If there's that many around, why do we always meet at my house!?
synchronicity
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I know scalping is hated by gamers/others, but really all business where a product is sold is no different than scalping in essence.
You're acquiring a product for less than you are selling it for. And people hate large-scale behavior of this sort? Just what exactly do you think business is?
As a gamer it can be frustrating when scalpers gobble up inventory, but it is what it is.
You're acquiring a product for less than you are selling it for. And people hate large-scale behavior of this sort? Just what exactly do you think business is?
As a gamer it can be frustrating when scalpers gobble up inventory, but it is what it is.
t_wilson01
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Great thread title. 
Since when do children buy the Switch though? It's basically all old folks.
Businesses have more or less the same markup and are expected to sell somewhere near the MSRP determined by the manufacturer.
Scalpers create an artificial shortage to "justify" an insane markup above to usual sale price.
Yes, it's more or less the same, but then again, it really isn't.
chixdiggit
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Legitimate businesses buy at wholesale prices and then sell at MSRP prices or below. Imagine if Wal-mart like the scalpers held products and sold everything based off of a high demand? Do you know how easy it would be for Wal-mart to buy tons of Switches and hold them in a warehouse so they could trickle them out at $500 a pop?
Also scalpers are making money off of a no value service. They only make things worse for the consumer.
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bargeparty
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ok scalper
TacosNSalsa
Member
This guy truly is a lunatic!! How DARE he inconvenience these fine people for a couple of hours???? Some one should find out who and where he is and cough on him..
synchronicity
Member
If you think "legitimate businesses" that get big like Wal-Mart are not using every advantage they can get to exploit all possible circumstances in their favor - ethical and otherwise, I don't know what to tell you.
I've never scalped anything. I'm just not against those who work the system that we live under to gain an edge. If you don't like it, don't buy from those exploiting market conditions.
AGRacing
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I once sold an i5 6600k system I built to a guy. It was something I made to sell as a complete system with an RTX 2060. Sold for 700CDN.
Guy who bought it put it in a different case with 2 RGB fans and jacked the price to 1500!!
I opened a burner account and sent him to the other side of the city in rush hour... but this is next level stuff.
Guy who bought it put it in a different case with 2 RGB fans and jacked the price to 1500!!
I opened a burner account and sent him to the other side of the city in rush hour... but this is next level stuff.
IntentionalPun
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They are a completely unregulated uncontrollable part of the "market" though.
Every other portion of how products are sold has it's pluses and minuses; obviously everyone involved is out to make money, but they are all under consumer protection laws and serve an actual purpose. Scalpers:
1) Increase fraud
2) Offer no consumer protections
3) Create risk for actual retailers as if their scalping fails, they return the products.... and the retailers have already ordered new product because of the fake demand caused by scalpers. This is what happened with the Wii-U; retailers were pissed.. ended up with product they couldn't sell and it cost Nintendo huge amounts of money as to appease them they had to take product returns.
Scalpers just boil down just about everything negative about "free markets" with zero benefits other than to themselves. They aren't in any way a healthy part of any market.
The only purpose scalpers serve:
1) Lazy rich people can buy stuff since a few extra hundred dollars is easier than waiting in line or trying to buy something selling out quickly.
2) Make scalpers money
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Haint
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Newegg, Amazon, and OEM/AIBs themselves do actually routinely sell computer components over MSRP when supplies are strained.
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synchronicity
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I agree with some of your points, and as I said, although I don't have a problem with scalpers, it can be annoying. I get that.
However, for me, I like to reduce things to their simplest terms. In a free market economy, there are opportunities to buy, sell and profit (or lose) from those transactions. Scalpers are simply a reflection of that structure. If the market didn't respond to it by rewarding those who engage in this type of buying and selling, they would not exist.
Obviously there are other lenses to view the situation, but for me, it distills down to that.
IntentionalPun
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We don't have a free market economy for good reason though in ANY of the developed world.... so if your point is "free market" it's not a very good point.
The economy is a balance of allowing people to have jobs/make money and protecting consumers. Scalpers exist because we can't fully police the market; other than that they exist outside of the organized market structure.. for good reason.. because they don't serve any sort of valid purpose.
They generally are illegal to; they lack proper licenses to do what they are doing... and businesses are licensed for GOOD REASON. So they can be tracked and policed for consumer / employee protection.
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synchronicity
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I'm not sure I understand. We don't have a free market in the developed world?
IntentionalPun
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No we have a regulated market. Businesses require licenses and must follow employee and consumer protection laws or have their license revoked, have fines imposed on them,e tc.
There are laws regarding price fixing, warantees and return policies, etc. in the vast majority of economies. It is not a "free market", you are not actually "free" (as in can legally) to do whatever you want with business.
chixdiggit
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Not sure what that has to do with scalping? Price gouging is illegal if that is what you are getting at?
I don't entirely doubt that it happens to a small extent but do you have an actual example of this? Where Amazon (not a seller on Amazon) is selling computer parts over a manufacturers MSRP?
synchronicity
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Regulations that do exist favor the rich across the board, almost without exception. If you're looking for fairness within the context of exchange (or life in general) you're not going to find it.
I think that's the crux of this discussion. People are upset that life isn't fair. Yeah, that's always true. If you (generally speaking) haven't made your peace with that truth, you better do it sooner rather than later so you can escape unnecessary suffering and self-torture.
If I can further distill my perspective down, maybe I may make my point a little bit clearer.
Everyone is trying to survive. That is the nature of being a living organism, and business is a reflection of that fundamental attribute of life. Individuals and collective entities are trying to gain resources for their ongoing existence. That's the essence of the struggle to survive. Within that struggle everyone can and will do whatever they can towards that end - all the way from big businesses lobbying to get laws passed that favor their interests down to the (relatively) little guy buying and selling things that can turn a profit. It's all the same. Every entity does what it can do in order to gain advantage, whether by hook or by crook, in the struggle against biological (or even conceptual)entropy. I know I tend to wax philosophical sooner or later in most discussions, but that is the essence of the matter from my perspective, reduced to as fundamental level as I can. Survival is a game that rewards those who survive. The methods are irrelevant. If it works, it works. I can't criticize someone scalping game consoles while big business exploits workers, and twists the rules of the game ever in their favor. Everyone is in the same fight. And the scalper is far, far from the villain of equity, relatively speaking.
n0razi
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A legitimate retail business is at least providing jobs for employees, etc... scalpers are just selfishly helping themselves
kiphalfton
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Letting the buyer stipulate the sale... You are just setting yourself up for failure doing that.
When selling stuff locally I tell the buyer that I don't have cash on hand to make change, they can meet me at a place I designate, and if they're not there within 10 minutes I'm not waiting up for them. If they don't like any of that, then they're totally free to buy from somebody else.
In any case, when you're selling something for more than it's worth, you have to take into account people may wanna screw with you.
When selling stuff locally I tell the buyer that I don't have cash on hand to make change, they can meet me at a place I designate, and if they're not there within 10 minutes I'm not waiting up for them. If they don't like any of that, then they're totally free to buy from somebody else.
In any case, when you're selling something for more than it's worth, you have to take into account people may wanna screw with you.
synchronicity
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Well, we can extrapolate that the benefit they (the scalpers) are receiving surely also goes to helping their families - their circle. And, if not, the money they make through scalping ultimately goes back into the system helping someone else. (They buy things with that money.) Money unspent has no value.
IntentionalPun
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Your philosophy is garbage; you can criticize companies taking advantage of workers while still recognizing that scalpers provide no real service to consumers or society. "Survival is a game that rewards those who survive. The methods are irrelevant. If it works, it works " I mean seriously? I murder and rape people for a living; can't criticize me, it's TO SURVIVE! IRRELVANT!
And you really don't need to say so much; just say "free market" or "libertarian reasons" and everyone understands you. It's been said 100 million times and it still sucks.
Either way, that's quite the goal post move from "huh? we don't have a free market? huh?
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synchronicity
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Life isn't fair. Oh the horror.
IntentionalPun
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Deep bro.
synchronicity
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Well, can you honestly tell me that isn't that what this is about at its most basic level - that people are upset that life isn't fair?
Aion002
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I think that people, in this case, are upset because scalpers are scummy as fuck, but for whatever reason you are annoyed that people dislike scalpers....
But ehhh... Everything can be justified if you spin enough.
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IntentionalPun
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I mean of course that's what it's about? Did anyone say otherwise?
I mean you can boil anything down to pointless statements like that. The issue I have is with your "so do nothing / it doesn't matter / can't criticize them" BS.
People price gauge water during emergencies; do you "well life's not fair?" those people? But guess what; government steps in and stops those people... or public outcry happens and people stop being so unfair for fear of losing their reputation or business.
Our systems of regulation are far from perfect; doesn't mean they don't serve a purpose or shouldn't exist. We can't stop all murder but we still make it illegal / fund police forces. Exact same concept.
Also, they do exist and we don't actually have a "Free market". Let's not forget for half this thread you apparently weren't even aware of that.
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I mean this is such a trademark ignorant republican idea though. It's all free market this, capitalism that except when it doesn't work. America isn't a free market it. No where in the world is. There are regulations, agreements, laws, and agencies/departments to keep shit in check.
Reducing it down to "the simplest terms" doesn't work when it comes to international trading and marketing. A lot of these people are using inside sources and or abusing their own job to get access to these consoles before the average consumer can even attempt to buy them.
synchronicity
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I'm not annoyed. I just don't see scalpers as any different than business in general. The idea of business is to acquire something from the environment and exchange it for more than the cost it was to you in the first place. Business is just a mirror upon survival. In a primitive tribal culture, you hunt hoping to expend less calories than you receive from the kill. Business is business. Survival is survival.
I didn't address the free market statement further because it was getting away from the essence of the conversation. In my opinion we do have a free market whether concessions are sometimes made to attempt to conceal or mitigate the appearances of that freedom or not. But make no mistake money rules the day, and that is free market at its core. But that is a discussion that will go well beyond the scope of this issue.
But to your point - yes, of course you can criticize anyone for anything. You're a free being. I just don't see a difference between scalper and regular business, as I've addressed in various ways within this post (above) and elsewhere. People are acquiring a resource and exchanging it for more than they acquired it for. The essence of business.
And who ultimately benefits most from all the laws and regulations that we plaster all over society. If money isn't in charge, I would sure like to know who is.
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IntentionalPun
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No, you ignore the differences and brush them away as "life's not fair". Since, I posted some.. and you are capable of reading.
Go buy something from a scalper, and buy the same product from a store.
Try to return that item.
Spot the difference yet?
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kiphalfton
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That's the thing, if people are willing to overpay for something that has been out 3+ years, then why does any of this even matter? Can they not just wait until this blows over? Or are people so impatient that they're not willing to wait?
I mean in this particular case consumers..? Walmart can't buy out every Switch Nintendo makes and charge 600 bucks..
